The Goddess of Manifold should have an "Unknown" tier.

[Jockey-1337]

Note: The Goddess of The Manifold never directly appears and is only referenced/talked about by characters within the story itself, which means that it is possible that she doesn't actually exist.

As it was said in the description it is possible that she doesn't exist. So I propose to edit the info, she should have an "Unknown" tier instead of tier 0. The Downstreamers have solid feats to be at their tier, but we don't know whether she is beyond downstreamers, she is a member of their race or she is their servant/avatar/toy.

There are other characters on the wiki who have more feats but an "Unknown" tier. The Crimson King (The Dark Tower) is an example.

Btw, the post-FVC Downstreamers should have "Omniscience" instead of "Nigh Omniscience" if this CRT will be accepted.

 

[Tarang123]

given the quotes and stuff I’ve seen, GoM is either above them or not an actual character.

 

[Timeless]

yes, if it does exist, it certainly far above the down streamers

 

[Swerzye29038]

Unknown, possibly 0

 

[Tarang123]

Unknown, possibly 0

Might need to clarify that the unknown is due to it not necessarily even existing.

Tho, if it might not even exist, why is it on the wiki

 

[Jockey-1337]

That is what I found in the respect thread:

The Gaijin had a somewhat mathematical philosophy. Malenfant thought it sounded suspiciously like a religion.
The Gaijin believed that the universe was fundamentally comprehensible by creatures like themselves — like humans, like Malenfant. That is, they believed it possible that an entity could exist that could comprehend the entire universe, arbitrarily well.
And they had a further principle that mandated that if such a being could exist, it must exist.
The catch was that they believed there was a manifold of possible universes, of which this was only one. So She may not exist in this universe.
It — She — was the final goal of the Gaijin’s quest.
But until the God of the Manifold shows up, there’s only us, Malenfant thought. And there is work to do. We have to fix the bugs in this universe we’re all stuck in. Hence, we throw a net around a star.
Hence, my sacrifice.
But, almost from the beginning, we fought back. We barely understood a damn thing, and nothing we did alone was going to make a difference, and the whole time we were swept along by historical forces that we could barely understand, let alone control, much as it had always been. We didn’t even know who the bad guys were. But, by God, we tried.
At whatever cost to ourselves.

Babo shrugged massively, as Manekato groomed him. “It may yet be possible to use the world engine, if only in a limited way …”
“To do what?”
“We can explore the manifold. We can Map to other realities. Other possibilities. You don’t have to send a whole Moon to do that.”
Mane pondered. “But what is there to look for?” “In fact there is a valid goal,” Babo said carefully.
The Astrologers, he told Manekato, believed that the universe—any given universe—was a fundamentally comprehensible system. If a system was comprehensible, then an entity must exist that could comprehend it. Therefore an entity must exist that could comprehend the entire universe, arbitrarily well—or rather She must exist, as Babo put it.
“The God of the Manifold,” Manekato said dryly.

The catch was that there was a manifold of possible universes, of which this was only one. So She may not exist in this universe.
Anyhow, it—She—was to be the ultimate goal of the Daemons’ quest.
“Of course,” Babo said, “She may actually be an expression of the manifold itself—or perhaps the manifold itself, the greater structure of reality strands, is itself self-referential, in some sense conscious. Or perhaps the manifold is itself merely one thread in a greater tapestry —”
“A manifold of manifolds.”
“And perhaps there is a further recursion of structure, no end to the hierarchies of life and mind, which—”
Mane held up her hands. “If we find Her: what will we ask Her?”
Babo picked his nose thoughtfully. “I asked Em-ma that. She said, ‘Ask Her if She knows what the hell is going on.’ ”
Mane touched her brother’s head. “Then that is what we will ask. Come, brother; we have much to do.”
Hand in hand, the two of them loped toward the forest, seeking shade and food.

Also, the GOD of the Manifold or the GODDESS of the Manifold? Who knows.

...and here I found this sort of stuff:

A mysterious entity encompasses all reality itself. A likely production of the downstreamers as such entity didn't exist until the downstreamers' ascension.

 

[Megaraptor149]

Better change name to The God of the Manifold than Goddess, maybe because that's entity it's refers "she"

 

[Jockey-1337]

Bump

 

[Jockey-1337]

Bump

 

[MrKerf]

There is really no need to add Unknown, the note at the bottom of the page works.

If character doesn't exist, it's not Unknown, it's page will be deleted.

 

[Jockey-1337]

Bump. Other opinions?

 

[Jockey-1337]

Bump

 

[Megaraptor149]

She has to be tier 0 tho, she really does exist and was mentioned 2 times even though it was explained just a guess

 

[Jibz]

She has to be tier 0 tho, she really does exist and was mentioned 2 times even though it was explained just a guess

There's actually no confirmation of her existence (I haven't read Manifold : Origin in ages so forgive if wrong), but the Gaijin's whole purpose is to find her, and we use feats from the presupposition from the Gaijin then there's no reason to give her unknown.

 

[Jockey-1337]

Bump, I still think GOM should be deleted or have an "Unknown" tier.