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The Glorious Return of 8-C Captain America (and some others, I guess)

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KLOL506 said:
How many of these impacts has he withstood without getting KO'd or having suffered massive internal organ damage he'd normally need to heal from?
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A massive amount. He has a long history of this.
 
LordTracer said:
Guess I’m looking for more calcs…

In the meantime, it was pretty much agreed to apply Bucky’s new calc and, if we get a bunch of new calcs, change the tiers again if necessary, so can we just do that?
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So going back to this.
 
Can you or somebody else list the accepted calculations, and their results, that we have available please?
 
Okay. I think that we need more consistency than that for a verse-spanning upgrade.

Also, what is the end goal here exactly? To upgrade all of the 9-A+, 9-A ,and 9-B Marvel Comics characters to 8-C instead? I think that Impress already managed to create quite good distinctions and consistent tiering for the "street" tier characters.
 
Antvasima said:
To upgrade all of the 9-A+, 9-A ,and 9-B Marvel Comics characters to 8-C instead?
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No? Just the characters that scale to Bucky, which is two 9-As and all of the 9-A+ characters (who, as a reminder, are 9-A+ because they downscale from Cable’s 8-C calc).

The sandbox in the OP even shows multiple 9-As that would keep their current tier.
 
Okay. That seems considerably more reasonable then.
 
Yeah, none of the 9-B+ characters are affected by this, it’s really just the Captain America tier characters and Bucky.
 
Okay. That is good then.

A few additional reliable calculations of this scale wouldn't hurt though. You can copy such calculations from the Narutoforums to blogs in our wiki if you wish.
 
That seems fine to me at least.
 
That’s the reason Cap is 9-A+ now, because he’s downscaling from Wolverine instead of being comparable to him.
 
Yes, agreed. Especially since other characters that Cap scales to are listed as being comparable to Logan, not inferior.

I’ll keep trying to find more calcs/feats to calc (couldn’t really find anything on NarutoForuns), but I did notice something on Aurora’s profile. It says that she can shoot lightning and links to our lightning feats page, which says that an average lightning bolt contains 1.6 billion joules. Converting that to tons gets 0.382 tons, which is 8-C and very close to the values of the two calcs we have.
 
We do not know if her lightning is identical to regular lightning or not, and lightning bolts have durability-negating properties in the first place, so we generally do not scale to them.
 
Antvasima said:
We do not know if her lightning is identical to regular lightning or not, and lightning bolts have durability-negating properties in the first place, so we generally do not scale to them.
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I don’t think anyone’s durability scales to her lightning? As far as I can tell, Northstar’s AP scales to her, which Quicksilver scales to, and then Cap scales to Quicksilver.

I figured it could at least be a supporting thing.
 
Antvasima said:
We do not know if her lightning is identical to regular lightning or not, and lightning bolts have durability-negating properties in the first place, so we generally do not scale to them.
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Once again, it's not so much durability negging as it is that the lightning loses most of its energy colliding with the air and other materials.

That and we recently agreed in this CRT on the conditions required to scale lightning to durability.

1. Needs to be in mid-air when tanking the bolt (Because the ground can dissipate that electricity safely)

2. Distance between the lightning bolt source and person getting hit needs to be melee range (Because the further lightning goes out, the more energy it loses because of colliding with other materials like air, trees, ground and whatnot, that's why the lightning's energy value gets nerfed when it hits the people on the ground)

3. (OPTIONAL): Having heavily-bruised skin, as that lowers the human body's electrical resistance value. Less resistance, more voltage and in turn, more energy from the bolt received.
 
LordTracer said:
I don’t think anyone’s durability scales to her lightning? As far as I can tell, Northstar’s AP scales to her, which Quicksilver scales to, and then Cap scales to Quicksilver.

I figured it could at least be a supporting thing.
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Depends on whether the above conditions I just mentioned were fulfilled to scale to lightning in the first place.
 
LordTracer said:
I don’t think anyone’s durability scales to her lightning? As far as I can tell, Northstar’s AP scales to her, which Quicksilver scales to, and then Cap scales to Quicksilver.

I figured it could at least be a supporting thing.
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Okay, no problem, but the energy of lightning bolts can be independent from striking strength/physical power.
 
KLOL506 said:
Once again, it's not so much durability negging as it is that the lightning loses most of its energy colliding with the air and other materials.

That and we recently agreed in this CRT on the conditions required to scale lightning to durability.

1. Needs to be in mid-air when tanking the bolt (Because the ground can dissipate that electricity safely)

2. Distance between the lightning bolt source and person getting hit needs to be melee range (Because the further lightning goes out, the more energy it loses because of colliding with other materials like air, trees, ground and whatnot, that's why the lightning's energy value gets nerfed when it hits the people on the ground)

3. (OPTIONAL): Having heavily-bruised skin, as that lowers the human body's electrical resistance value. Less resistance, more voltage and in turn, more energy from the bolt received.
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Okay. Noted. I thought that it was durability negation due to passing through people.

Have you asked DontTalk to update our relevant official instruction page accordingly?
 
I asked DontTalk to help you out with that thread.
 
Antvasima said:
Okay. Noted. I thought that it was durability negation due to passing through people.
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Not necessarily. It was more so that the reason it passed through them was because they were standing on the ground which would be dissipating it safely away from them and the bolt had already lost most of its energy by going through the air, trees and other material before indirectly striking the person.

Antvasima said:
Have you asked DontTalk to update our relevant official instruction page accordingly?
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He already accepted the conditions (More details here), but there were some other factors that still need to be resolved, so we're waiting on all of them to be clarified before being edited in, for which we kept bumping him and haven't gotten a response since.
 
Okay. Noted. As I mentioned, I asked DontTalk for help again.
 
What's the current discussion on and why do we need DT again?

Also, what's the hold up with applying the calc? Right now we have a completely wrong calc/value listed on tons of files which looks weird.
 
Confluctor said:
What's the current discussion on and why do we need DT again?
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We were talking about another thread about instruction page/policy changes.
Confluctor said:
Also, what's the hold up with applying the calc? Right now we have a completely wrong calc/value listed on tons of files which looks weird.
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I do not mind if updates are applied then, but please reming us about all of the calculations that the changes in question will be based on first please.
 
Okay. That is probably fine then.

Would you, and other knowledgeable members here who are able to edit properly, be willing to apply the entire revision please?
 
Okay. No problem. I hope that you will have a nice vacation.

@LordTracer

Would you be willing to handle it instead please?
 
Thank you. I have unlocked them. Tell me here when you are done.
 
Thank you. I will do so.

Here is a list of all the Tier 9 Marvel Comics character profile pages. They should probanly be checked through in order to make certain.

vsbattles.fandom.com

Antvasima/DPL

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
 
Okay. Thanks a lot for all of your help.

So did you link to any new accepted 8-C calculations in the profile pages for the characters that performed the feats, and mention scaling to them in other of our character profile pages with the same tiers?
 
Also, what should happen with the remaining 9-A characters? Are they fine as they are?

vsbattles.fandom.com

Antvasima/DPL

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
 
All remaining 616 9-As get their tier from upscaling from the 9-Bs, or by scaling to Iron Man, who has a 9-A calc, so they’re all fine.
Antvasima said:
So did you link to any new accepted 8-C calculations in the profile pages for the characters that performed the feats, and mention scaling to them in other of our character profile pages with the same tiers?
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Bucky’s profile lists the calc in his durability section, and so does Cable’s. Listing the calcs for the other characters would be a bit redundant, cause it’d all be something along the lines of “Superior to the Winter Soldier/comparable to Cable, who survived this and can harm people capable of harming him”
 
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