The ghost of the Uchiha against Fernandes

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I thought this would be a very interesting comparison between two goats.
Madara Uchiha VS Jellal Fernandes
Battlefield: Today's World
Both are equal Speed
Forms to use: Dual Rinnegan+Rinne Sharingan | X793
Madara: Mamaroza, karo_senpaii, BEASTHEART8800, Delta3000, Deceived3596, Arc7Kuroi,
Jellal: Twisted_Little_Raven, zeinx, Zackra1799
Incon:

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

naruto vs ft characters episode 2.
Have fun

 

[Sasukesama0492]

İnfinite Tsukuyomi victim

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

İnfinite Tsukuyomi victim

counted

 

[karo_senpaii]

Voting madara. While jellal has a ridiculous ap advantage he can't counter madara hax. Infinite tsukyomi, Nothing stopping madara also from wrapping himself with a tso and then sending one at jellal

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Madara FRA

 

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[Zeinx1]

Jellal's profile is out of date, it would be an unjust war.

 

[Delta3000]

Madara
TSB's hard counter Jellal's abilities unless the ft verses magic is equivalent to senjutsu and Jellal has no defence against mind manipulation (you would think he would have learned to defend against it given his history).

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

How does IT work exactly? Basically I'm more curious about it's activation time since I haven't seen Naruto in a minute. But I do know Meteor is a standard Jellal move which would make him blitz and one shot no?

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

Madara's starting move Mugen Tsukyomi (layered mind mp)
I'm neutral for now, but Madara will probably finish this with MS because Jellal has no resistance to it. Or haxes like Limbo, Gudodama etc.

 

[Nierre]

If Madara doesn't find a way to incap/defeat him right away, Jellal just blitzes with Meteor. So this depends on his starting moves IMO

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

If Madara doesn't find a way to incap/defeat him right away, Jellal just blitzes with Meteor. So this depends on his starting moves IMO

Madara's first moves are attacks that involve existence erasure, such as Mugen Tsukyomi or Gudodama.

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

Meteor is an insane speed amp pretty sure it's blitzed everyone it was used against making it far superior to his regular speed where speed equalized. So can someone explain how fast he can do IT if not fast Meteor should blitz

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

Jellal's profile is out of date, it would be an unjust war.

By the way, who do you vote for now?

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

I think this is a stomp thread

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

This is not a stomp match. Madara's initial moves make him more advantageous

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

Anyway, I wrote your name in front of Jellal, is this okay for you?

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

Yea

 

[Deceived3596]

Madara FRA

 

[Naeblis495]

Madara is immortal , have TSO to negate pretty much anything jellal can do and is a massive threat to him as well, have the limbo clones and win instantly with any occular genjutsu.

What exactly is jellal even supposed to do here ? At best, he blitz madara once with meteor , madara regen and surround himself with tso and let the limbo deal with him without jellal being able to do anything.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Madara is immortal , have TSO to negate pretty much anything jellal can do and is a massive threat to him as well, have the limbo clones and win instantly with any occular genjutsu.

What exactly is jellal even supposed to do here ? At best, he blitz madara once with meteor , madara regen and surround himself with tso and let the limbo deal with him without jellal being able to do anything.

This seems compelling enough to label this as a stomp.

I will wait a few before closing this if anyone wants to contest this.

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

okay

 

[Delta3000]

It's okay, I didn't think it would stomp, my fault

It's not a stomp Jellal could absolutely kill madara, after all madara only has low-mid regen and is two tiers weaker.

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

It's not a stomp Jellal could absolutely kill madara, after all madara only has low-mid regen and is two tiers weaker.

Then I think this issue can be discussed

 

[Deceived3596]

At best, he blitz madara once with meteor , madara regen

I'm not entirely sure if Madara would regenerate after Jellal hits him given the massive AP discrepancy here. One attack from Jellal would probably gib Madara, and since Madara only has Low-Mid, he isn't regenerating from that level of damage.

Jellal also has access to wide range attacks that could catch Madara off-guard, and magic that would probably be more equalizable with Senjutsu, or general nature energy compared to regular chakra. Allowing Jellal to counteract the destructive aspects of TSO's, like the EE and decon, with his magic.

I agree with Madara winning. I just don't see this match being a stomp, more so a decisive victory for Madara if anything.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Deceived is correct.

I'm not knowledgeable on Fairy Tail or anything, but this scan should make Magic equivalent to Senjutsu Chakra under our verse equalization rules. It pretty much states that Magic is a combination of Spiritual Energy + Energy flowing through their bodies + Natural Energy from their surroundings.
That's very similar to Senjutsu, which is basically a combination of chakra (spiritual/mental energy + physical energy/life-force) + Nature Energy from the surroundings. It's about as close to 1:1 as you can get with cross-verse battles.

What this means is that Jellal's Magic Attacks will affect Madara through his Invulnerability and will not be Negated, Erased, and/or Deconstructed by the TSBs.
However, Jellal himself will still be physically susceptible to the effects of the TSBs, as Senjutsu users aren't immune to their effects. Only the Magic attacks will be effective. So the TSBs aren't entirely removed from the equation, but this definitely gives Jellal a more solid win condition, preventing this from becoming a stomp.

Anyone who knows me, knows I don't participate in VS threads all that much, and I have no interest in doing so here. I just wanted to clear this point up to facilitate the debates going forward.

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

Deceived is correct.

Anyone who knows me, knows I don't participate in VS threads all that much, and I have no interest in doing so here. I just wanted to clear this point up to facilitate the debates going forward.

Thank you for bringing light to the subject.

How about reviewing the CRT I sent you via DM?

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

I'm not entirely sure if Madara would regenerate after Jellal hits him given the massive AP discrepancy here. One attack from Jellal would probably gib Madara, and since Madara only has Low-Mid, he isn't regenerating from that level of damage.

Jellal also has access to wide range attacks that could catch Madara off-guard, and magic that would probably be more equalizable with Senjutsu, or general nature energy compared to regular chakra. Allowing Jellal to counteract the destructive aspects of TSO's, like the EE and decon, with his magic.

I agree with Madara winning. I just don't see this match being a stomp, more so a decisive victory for Madara if anything.

What stops Jellal from doing Meteor into one shot then? Anything Jellal would do would overpower his attacks no? From what I know IT ain't a quick activation and he doesn't have the Regen to stop being blown to pieces by the ap difference. You said it yourself Jellal would counter destructive tso attacks. How does Madara counter meteor blitz, grand chariot, anything really I need to know how Madara would win given what you typed

 

[Delta3000]

What stops Jellal from doing Meteor into one shot then? Anything Jellal would do would overpower his attacks no? From what I know IT ain't a quick activation and he doesn't have the Regen to stop being blown to pieces by the ap difference. You said it yourself Jellal would counter destructive tso attacks. How does Madara counter meteor blitz, grand chariot, anything really I need to know how Madara would win given what you typed

Simple, Jellal (in character) wouldn't try to kill madara right away due to madara being much weaker and therefore not a threat (as far as Jellal knows).

 

[Zackra1799]

How would jellals thought projection reflection magic work on infinite Tsukuyomi as it allows jellal to reflect the effects of things like mind and time hax on a copy of himself.

 

[Zeinx1]

By the way, who do you vote for now?

I vote for Jellal (because Jellal is much faster)

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

I vote for Jellal (because Jellal is much faster)

speed equalized but

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

BTW, I can't enter your votes right now due to some problems, don't worry, I'll try to fix it.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I trust Uchiha here, so I won't close the thread.

 

[Delta3000]

How would jellals thought projection reflection magic work on infinite Tsukuyomi as it allows jellal to reflect the effects of things like mind and time hax on a copy of himself.

He probably won't be able to do that since he doesn't have ultear's help this time and genjutsu is generally much more subtle than ft's mind magic.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Madara doesn't need the moon to IT here, he only used the moon in the manga as a range extender to put the entire planet under the IT. Here in a 1v1 he can just look at you standard Genjutsu style. Voting Madara for the above reasons and IT gg.

 

[Zackra1799]

He probably won't be able to do that since he doesn't have ultear's help this time and genjutsu is generally much more subtle than ft's mind magic.

He doesn't need ultear as she herself said that it was up to jellal to figure out the how to get out of the spell.

Jellal has dealt with a number of mind manipulators and illusionists so he's got a good chance of using the spell since it works as a pseudo auto defence as at the time he was unable to actively use his spells since gears made him forget how to use magic.

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

Simple, Jellal (in character) wouldn't try to kill madara right away due to madara being much weaker and therefore not a threat (as far as Jellal knows).

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