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I'm not just talking about that, I'm also talking about how much of the debris went that far (Which has to be a massive chunk anyway for it to even be considered since we have pretty strict rules regarding KE in the first place).
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The Genocide of the Saiyan, REDUX (Dragon Ball)
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If the piece of debris that was used in the calc was going abnormally faster (or slower) than the rest of the debris on screen... Wouldn't we be able to tell that? If we can see that the debris is moving outwards at a consistent pace... Doesn't that imply that the debris is moving at roughly the same rate?
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You would also need to consider the distance it covered.
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I agree with KLOL; the shot hear basically just leaves out a lot of details and also, seeing reflections of window like objects or in pools of water don't really give us 100% accurate pictures.
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the image seems pretty clear but alr
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The Low End still looks best to me as it is using the more complete timeframe for the feat.
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What makes Relativistic KE different from regular KE? I plugged the values into a calculator and received identical results.
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Another common issue is that a lot of planet busting feats are downplayed due to calculating average velocity as opposed to initial velocity and that's especially true for planets with really high G's.
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Relativity for starters.
Kinetic energy - Wikipedia
"If a body's speed is a significant fraction of the speed of light, it is necessary to use relativistic mechanics to calculate its kinetic energy."
1% SoL is where this starts.
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Truth be told, the low-end isn't necessarily the most accurate end to choose from, solely because by the time the feat is done, the debris are barely moving at all compared to what we're shown on the visor reflection.
Hence, I will still stick my guns with the high-end.
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Ehhh Armor wasn't exactly neutral. Just don't count him as he looked like he wanted nothing to do with this. That's who I'm supposing is the neutral cgm.
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Fair. He just didn't take a stance for it or against it which is why I took him to be neutral.;
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I had thought of neutral as having a neutral stance to the thread topic but still would speak in it if called. Armor's response didn't strike me as him ever coming to this thread even with a 10 foot stick.
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i simply do not exist
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With such hot weather I wish I could too.
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I’m currently in agreement with KLOL
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Agrees with the Calc: Damage3245, Therefir
Disagrees with the Calc: KLOL506, CloverDragon03
No opinion: ArmorChompy
That's where we currently stand. The outcome of that other thread may have an impact here, since it'd mean that the main argument against the calc is no longer accepted as policy.
Disagrees with the Calc: KLOL506, CloverDragon03
No opinion: ArmorChompy
That's where we currently stand. The outcome of that other thread may have an impact here, since it'd mean that the main argument against the calc is no longer accepted as policy.
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KLOL is supporting the high end now I think (Clover too by result)
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I think it's either throw away the calc or accept the high end. Should people be tagged? Don't think a tag for cgm has been done here. Oh saw that KLOL had done the tag.
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Oh. I'm not sure if I should mark KLOL as neutral or not then, since he's said he's against the calc but also says he thinks the high end should be used if it is applied.
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Maybe break the agree part to agrees to high end only and agrees to low end
Agrees with the Calc (Low-end): Damage3245, Therefir
Agrees with the Calc (High-end): KLOL506
Disagrees with the Calc: KLOL506, CloverDragon03
No opinion: ArmorChompy
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Okay. That works.
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But do make it more presentable than my attempt. Also mainly cgm vote here right? If so this is going to take longer...
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If the other thread I made about the Planetary KE stuff gets rejected, then my agreement regarding the high-end would stand.
@CloverDragon03 Do you share the same sentiments?
@CloverDragon03 Do you share the same sentiments?
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Okay, thanks for clarifying. I'll wait to see how the other thread turns out then.
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KLOL simple said high end is what he favors within the calculation, more like that's his secondary offer. I believe he overall still prefers using the current calculation iirc. And Clover agrees with KLOL as do I; though I am not a calc group member.
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KLOL506 already clarified just above.
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We don't need this bumped till the other thread is resolved.
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oh sorry for the mistake, could you link me the other thread? i don't know which one you are referring to?
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Eh if the issue is that parts of the debri move at different speeds wouldn’t it then make sense to figure out the individual mass/ speed of each layer of the planet that was blown away?
Obviously since the core of a planet is denser it’d make sense for it to move slower than the crust for example.
Obviously since the core of a planet is denser it’d make sense for it to move slower than the crust for example.
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I share the same sentiments, yes
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I already mention that issue to be a problem with feats like this where we don't see all the debris typically move the same distance at the same speed, in this thread.
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@Nullflowerblush It looks like that this thread hasn't been accepted, so we may be able to re-open the topic of whether your new calc should be applied over the old one.
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