The Elder Scrolls Half-Time Revisions

[Sir_sun_man]

Yea every prince has some cool lore to them admiring their power.
Nocturnal/Namira/Mora are called Ur-Dra
So is azura but I call cap on that.
Boethiah is referred to as one of the strongest padomaics and is apparently apart of a composite prince between Azura, Mephala and Boethiah, who are called Ur-Dra.
Mephala was called one of the strongest spirits with her webs stretching across the Aurbis.
What does Molag bal get though? Nothing. He’s literally just a troublesome Daedric prince. You knows it bad when an avatar of Dagon, the prince of L’s matches you in your own realm lmao

"The prince of Ls" That is a perfect description of Dagon

yeah I don't know about Azura being an Ur-Dra she doesn't seem to meet the criteria she seems more anueic in origin rather than padomeic

also isn't Mora an Ur-daedra related to magnus and his original blue prints or is that none canon now?

Yeah and she also beat the tar out of Trinimac which is a pretty big feat considering where he was (still is possibly) on the packing order of the anueic bois.

Honestly we need more info on mephala since I really wanna know where she stands in compersion to say the architect himself Magnus for example since both seems to alter the flow of fate with their respective fields.

and yeah molag bal is just the absolute dumpster fire of the daedric lords, I mean what other prince has had their ass handed to them in their own realms not by just an avatar of another god but by a group of mortal so many times in the lore? like legit I have a feeling that someone like the neravarine or the LDB could stroll into his own realm and knock his teeth in (shoutout to the vigilant mod accurate depiction of events for sure for sure)

 

[Sir_sun_man]

also I really wander how they will deal with the LDB in elder scrolls six (when it comes out in 2099) I mean you have a literal god incarnate walking about with enough power to bring whole nations to their knees in a matter of days they can upset the balance of any conflic in a matter of seconds they could reform the empire in no time at all and bring the Altmer to heel. Like no seriously out of the protags in elder scrolls the LDB has the absolute most possible influence over the world.

They will probably send them off to Akavir and all I got to say is the Ka Po' Tun better watch out.

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

also isn't Mora an Ur-daedra related to magnus and his original blue prints or is that none canon now

Yea he’s the thrown out plans of Mundus. So he’s basically a piece of trash that Magnus threw in the garbage lmao.

Yeah and she also beat the tar out of Trinimac which is a pretty big feat considering where he was (still is possibly) on the packing order of the anueic bois.

Funny, in the new leaks it turns out that Boethiah IS Trinimac, the one that killed Lorkhan as part of his plan for Mundus and the Malak is his own deal and cursed Boethiah and turn them into the Boethiah we know today.

molag bal is just the absolute dumpster

well at least he’s getting attention unlike sanguine lmao

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

also I really wander how they will deal with the LDB in elder scrolls six (when it comes out in 2099) I mean you have a literal god incarnate walking about with enough power to bring whole nations to their knees in a matter of days they can upset the balance of any conflic in a matter of seconds they could reform the empire in no time at all and bring the Altmer to heel. Like no seriously out of the protags in elder scrolls the LDB has the absolute most possible influence over the world.

They will probably send them off to Akavir and all I got to say is the Ka Po' Tun better watch out.

Probably just shoehorn him like they did the nerevarine and vestige. Hopefully we can see Tosh Raka soon

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Yea he’s the thrown out plans of Mundus. So he’s basically a piece of trash that Magnus threw in the garbage lmao.

funny to think that Magnus is just THAT powerful.

Funny, in the new leaks it turns out that Boethiah IS Trinimac, the one that killed Lorkhan as part of his plan for Mundus and the Malak is his own deal and cursed Boethiah and turn them into the Boethiah we know today.

ya know what, that makes total sense, boethiah is betrayal and many before have theorised that Trinimac has brought her into existance with his sense of betraying lorkan, him being boethiah makes actual sense.

well at least he’s getting attention unlike sanguine lmao

yeah the Dionysus of elder scrolls never gets any love in lore.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Hopefully we can see Tosh Raka soon

dead at dovakhins hands if he gets shoe'd off to akavir like nerevarine.

 

[Metalija]

Funny, in the new leaks it turns out that Boethiah IS Trinimac, the one that killed Lorkhan as part of his plan for Mundus and the Malak is his own deal and cursed Boethiah and turn them into the Boethiah we know today.

Wait, who is Malacath then? Also did Trinimac regret killing Lorkhan so he became Boethia?

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Wait, who is Malacath then? Also did Trinimac regret killing Lorkhan so he became Boethia?

malacath is what Boethiah shat out after devouring trinimac

 

[Metalija]

malacath is what Boethiah shat out after devouring trinimac

I know, I was refering to what FaxNovu posted about some new lore about Trinimac, where Trinimac is actually Boethia

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

I know, I was refering to what FaxNovu posted about some new lore about Trinimac, where Trinimac is actually Boethia

Malacath is his own thing apparently. He’s the one who cursed Boethiah making them what they are today.


Read it here

 

[MagiSinbad]

What does Molag bal get though? Nothing. He’s literally just a troublesome Daedric prince. You knows it bad when an avatar of Dagon, the prince of L’s matches you in your own realm lmao

Eh, if it means anythings, he's still the most influential prince to the TES fandom (Along with Sheogorath). You will find more peoples making arts for him and mention his names more than any other princes within the TES community lmao

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

Eh, if it means anythings, he's still the most influential prince to the TES fandom (Along with Sheogorath). You will find more peoples making arts for him and mention his names more than any other princes within the

Even on that, he’s surpassed by Azura in terms of worship

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Even on that, he’s surpassed by Azura in terms of worship

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

Posted this on the wrong thread recently but I found something interesting that alludes towards the events of the Aldudagga. It’s an in-game text added in the anniversary addition that’s shows Dagon’s desire for revenge on both Akatosh and Alduin, and I wonder why he hates Alduin :


“ Visions of Dragons cloud my dreams once more. Images of Martin Septim and Akatosh that make my blood burn with anger and vengeance. Black wings unfurling against a red sky.

I do not yet understand the meaning of these visions, but Dagon's hatred has become a burning coal in the pit of my stomach, driving me ever forward.”
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Vonos'_Journal

 

[Sir_sun_man]

any updates?

or is this one abandoned?

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

or is this one abandoned?

I think so unfortunately. Maybe it will kick back up when the tiering revisions are done. Maybe not.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Bump?

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

Yes, bump

 

[VersusJunkie54]

I am still nowhere near as knowledgeable into TES lore to contribute meaningfully, but I would like to know what the High 8-C characters are currently rated at, and where that calc is. I tried to find it, but it looks like that external fourm's changes erased it from existence.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I am still nowhere near as knowledgeable into TES lore to contribute meaningfully, but I would like to know what the High 8-C characters are currently rated at, and where that calc is. I tried to find it, but it looks like that external fourm's changes erased it from existence.

It was on the Giants' Profile but NarutoForums got nuked so it's gone now.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

It was on the Giants' Profile but NarutoForums got nuked so it's gone now.

In hindsight, linking calcs to an external fourm probably wasn't wise long term.

Unless it can be found again, it would probably need to be recalculated.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

In hindsight, linking calcs to an external fourm probably wasn't wise long term.

Unless it can be found again, it would probably need to be recalculated.

I think it needed a recalc regardless since it was an ancient ass calc with ancient ass standards, we've had several calc standard revamps since that calc a decade ago.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

I think it needed a recalc regardless since it was an ancient ass calc with ancient ass standards, we've had several calc standard revamps since that calc a decade ago.

Would you happen to know what the feat was, and where I can find it? I could take a crack at it.

Though I know this particular CRT is discussing upgrading the Dovahkin to High 1-B or something. I don't really care for anything above Tier 3 to be honest, but I'll make an exception for TES.

The Dovahkin battling Alduin seems pretty blatant to me. I cannot say with full confidence because I only play Skyrim with hundreds of mods as nobody really plays straight Vanilia these days. But The Elder Scrolls faces a similar problem to Halo when it comes to the discrepancy of Lore vs Game showings/gameplay. The latter should always be subordinate to the former unless there is a total lack of viable information in the former. That is the way I see it though.

For instance, depending on the Difficulty, your Dovahkin could easily no sell multiple hits from Alduin or Miraak by doing nothing, or you could get boxed up by Dwemer Animunculi or a Mudcrab. Obviously we aren't going to argue that either of those are High 6-A, let alone High 1-B.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Would you happen to know what the feat was, and where I can find it? I could take a crack at it.

Giants (The Elder Scrolls)

Giants are a race of large humanoids that can be found in the wilds of Skyrim, High Rock, Hammerfell, Cyrodiil, and Valenwood. They have grey, leathery skin, and stand several times higher than the average human, clothing themselves with animal furs and bones. They seem to share a common...

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Though I know this particular CRT is discussing upgrading the Dovahkin to High 1-B or something. I don't really care for anything above Tier 3 to be honest, but I'll make an exception for TES.

The Dovahkin battling Alduin seems pretty blatant to me. I cannot say with full confidence because I only play Skyrim with hundreds of mods as nobody really plays straight Vanilia these days. But The Elder Scrolls faces a similar problem to Halo when it comes to the discrepancy of Lore vs Game showings/gameplay. The latter should always be subordinate to the former unless there is a total lack of viable information in the former. That is the way I see it though.

For instance, depending on the Difficulty, your Dovahkin could easily no sell multiple hits from Alduin or Miraak by doing nothing, or you could get boxed up by Dwemer Animunculi or a Mudcrab. Obviously we aren't going to argue that either of those are High 6-A, let alone High 1-B.

Yeah, I agree with this.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Giants (The Elder Scrolls)

Giants are a race of large humanoids that can be found in the wilds of Skyrim, High Rock, Hammerfell, Cyrodiil, and Valenwood. They have grey, leathery skin, and stand several times higher than the average human, clothing themselves with animal furs and bones. They seem to share a common...

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Some of those justifications don't belong for High 8-C at all. Launching someone above the clouds is a 9-B feat. Launching someone 5 Leagues would be a bit more than launching someone over the horizon, and maybe pushing 9-B+ to lower 9-A at the absolute most. The creation of a shockwave can vary, but the profile makes no indication of its scale.Such a feat could be a 9-C nothingburger, or still legitimately High 8-C.

Overall TES profiles seem to be a mess. I might have to focus here after Halo revisions. A lot of profiles lack justification for things like LS, speed, AP, etc. Other profiles were nuked for being low-quality.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Some of those justifications don't belong for High 8-C at all. Launching someone above the clouds is a 9-B feat. Launching someone 5 Leagues would be a bit more than launching someone over the horizon, and maybe pushing 9-B+ to lower 9-A at the absolute most. The creation of a shockwave can vary, but the profile makes no indication of its scale.Such a feat could be a 9-C nothingburger, or still legitimately High 8-C.

Overall TES profiles seem to be a mess. I might have to focus here after Halo revisions. A lot of profiles lack justification for things like LS, speed, AP, etc. Other profiles were nuked for being low-quality.

Like I said, ancient ass calc with ancient ass standards.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Like I said, ancient ass calc with ancient ass standards.

Anyway, if any of the earlier posters are active, if they can tell us what this feat was, that would be great.

Otherwise, earlier arguments in this thread seem to be leaning heavily on game mechanics as "Anti-Feats". Someone was literally saying that Kaarstag was a "regular dude" in Morrowind but is one of The Dovahkin's hardest fights. This doesn't really work because again, difficulty can vary wildly depending on difficulty settings and gear. An example would be trying to argue Master Chief in Halo is 9-C and not 8-C because a few drones/grunts are a threat on Legendary difficulty.

On easy difficulty, a Level40 Dovahkin could easily solo in-game Alduin with the Tongues being irrelevant fodder.Similarly you can beat Tsun in that spar fairly easily depending on the circumstances.

Then Miraak being killed by Hermaeus Mora is brought up, but that poster intentionally left out that this occurred after the Dovahkin beat Miraak to near-death, forcing him to exhaust all of his dragon souls, with Mora landing the final blow.

The point is that Game Mechanics are almost ALWAYS unreliable and must never be used to quantify characters unless there is literally no other option. Game showings are at best iffy, and at worst privy to Low-End outliers and should be considered with great caution.

It's nothing new. I've seen many cringe debatebros on Reddit, Spacebattles, or Comic Vine claim that the Dovahkin is literally street level because they can get one-shotted by a wall trap depending on difficulty or gear.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Then Miraak being killed by Hermaeus Mora is brought up, but that poster intentionally left out that this occurred after the Dovahkin beat Miraak to near-death, forcing him to exhaust all of his dragon souls, with Mora landing the final blow.

I always hated this example specifically, as if we didn't just beat the everloving hell out of this dude in a gauntlet match where he was forced to run away while intangible just to heal himself like four times. Same dude who one-shots a Post-Alduin fight Dragonborn btw, same Alduin who outright state that the Daedra are terrified of him and in extra material outright bullied a previous incarnation of both Mehrunes Dagon and Lorkhan.

 

[HelloThere1089]

I think the Alduins size argument is stupid.

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

Bump you

 

[Keeweed]

I just want to remind everyone an accepted downgrade for the giants was already made (by me). The calc has been bunk we just needed a better recalc since that was wrong too.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

I just want to remind everyone an accept downgrade for the giants was already made. The calc has been bunk we just needed a better recalc since that was wrong too.

That's what I thought. If someone can find the actual feat, I could take a crack at recalculating it.

 

[Keeweed]

Here it is https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Unstoppable_Rage

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Here it is https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Unstoppable_Rage

It is hard to discern the depth of that destruction feat, but I will tell you right now from fragmentation we are looking at the lower end of 8-C at best.

 

[Keeweed]

I always hated this example specifically, as if we didn't just beat the everloving hell out of this dude in a gauntlet match where he was forced to run away while intangible just to heal himself like four times. Same dude who one-shots a Post-Alduin fight Dragonborn btw, same Alduin who outright state that the Daedra are terrified of him and in extra material outright bullied a previous incarnation of both Mehrunes Dagon and Lorkhan.

Miraak went from tired to literally being vaporized by that blow. With Mora clarifying he is nothing in his realm. It’s clearly meant to show Miraak is nothing in comparison to him, not that he was weakened, especially since the Dovahkiin can do nothing to him either and Miraak’s entirely plan was absolutely bidding his time to escape. It’s the clearest cut anti feat of all time.

Kaarstag is specifically a boss for the Dovahkiin, meanwhile he was prey to Hircine that stood no chance.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Miraak went from tired to literally being vaporized by that blow. With Mora clarifying he is nothing in his realm. It’s clearly meant to show Miraak is nothing in comparison to him, not that he was weakened, especially since the Dovahkiin can do nothing to him either and Miraak’s entirely plan was absolutely bidding his time to escape. It’s the clearest cut anti feat of all time.

And yet we still have the statement and feat from Alduin about the Daedra being fodder to him.

 

[Keeweed]

Which would be an outlier for them. One character can clearly scale to others while the people that are supposed to scale to them actually don’t. For example; one of final fantasies final bosses literally doesn’t scale to the main cast because it was an outlier that they won on this site.

Miraak is literally obliterated by the blow with Mora saying he’s nothing. A half dead Daedra is invincible to the Dovahkiin. Karstaag is specifically a boss fight in the guide books yet in Morrowind would instantly die to an avatar of Hiricne.

 

[Keeweed]

The Dovahkiin is buried in anti feats, with Daedra getting to do whatever they want with them like Sheogorath and Merida. Meanwhile Alduin scale above the entire pantheon. It makes it that Alduin has to be the outlier for them.

“He was tired”
He literally exploded into space dust from how hard the blow was to him, that very very clearly doesn’t scale in any reality.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Recalculated the Giant cratering the ground at 133 Megajoules, 9-A.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Recalculated the Giant cratering the ground at 133 Megajoules, 9-A.

I will absolutely accept this. I need more 9-As for monster fights anyways.