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Well I guess we have to wait for the op to come back so he can add speed equalization, because this isn't the first time he's made a thread without realizing speed should probably be equalized.EmperorDoom25 said:If the OP doesnt specify, we assume that speed is not equalized
SBA doesnt cover the speed equal rule
6) Rewrites 4D =/= Rewrites Every Law/Concept. In this case you've to be more specific with scans. KongKing23's counter-argument seems exaggeration to me because rewriting a specified law doesn't mean the user can rewrite every law. I had known VSB doesn't allow that unless the character has feat of rewriting every law.KongKing23 said:That's one way to argue it. Tonal Magic is hillariously broken, Barfok casually manipulates causality or Alduin rewrites laws of time to age every Nord to death. The Dovahkiin and Miraak are both vastly above those people.
The explanation page for Law Manipulation is confusing as hell. You have mortals in TES casually manipulate gods and divine laws in their own ways. Marukh, Anumaril, Kagrenac, Wulfharth, Frandar Hunding and so forth. You don't have to be all supreme beings to manipulate laws of the world as The Dovahkiin casually does it through rapping.
she is from the lore from the 37 lessons of vivec if i remember correctlyDavidgumazon said:8) "Barfok casually manipulates causality" first I can't find Barfok in vsbattle profiles, second rewrites causality which one? Need scan and/or be specific because tho what's the purpose of rewriting the law?
My response was originally targeted at those knowledgeable with TES verse. A lot of infos like Barfok that you won't know. I don't have times to go over them, because I just simply reiterate a few information that might prove useful.Davidgumazon said:6) Rewrites 4D =/= Rewrites Every Law/Concept. In this case you've to be more specific with scans. KongKing23's counter-argument seems exaggeration to me because rewriting a specified law doesn't mean the user can rewrite every law. I had known VSB doesn't allow that unless the character has feat of rewriting every law.KongKing23 said:That's one way to argue it. Tonal Magic is hillariously broken, Barfok casually manipulates causality or Alduin rewrites laws of time to age every Nord to death. The Dovahkiin and Miraak are both vastly above those people.
The explanation page for Law Manipulation is confusing as hell. You have mortals in TES casually manipulate gods and divine laws in their own ways. Marukh, Anumaril, Kagrenac, Wulfharth, Frandar Hunding and so forth. You don't have to be all supreme beings to manipulate laws of the world as The Dovahkiin casually does it through rapping.
7) Of course How their rewriting law the power works ?
8) "Barfok casually manipulates causality" first I can't find Barfok in vsbattle profiles, second rewrites causality which one? Need scan and/or be specific because tho what's the purpose of rewriting the law?
9) "casually manipulate gods and divine laws in their own ways" Assuming gods were comparable to Dova's level and their "divine" laws which is just law 3D up to 4D.
10) When I read other versus threads from Dova. I just realized the OP was crap. Full power allows Dova to use above 2-C which meant this battle isn't 2-C vs 2-C. Basically, whether or not either Dova or Steve wins: It won't be added.
Why? This Dova was using isn't even 2-C. Also the all counter-argument about 1 tier powers was OOC in profile. That's another nonsense to me :/
That makes sense.KongKing23 said:My response was originally targeted at those knowledgeable with TES verse. A lot of infos like Barfok that you won't know. I don't have times to go over them, because I just simply reiterate a few information that might prove useful.
Well in fiction they use that kind of "reason" to justify that or this character manipulate stuff because of the plot said philosophy-related stuff. I dunno maybe Has fiction has gone too far?KongKing23 said:The ways of manipulating divine beings and laws in TES are varied, but the most basic type is the alteration of sounds that created the multiverses within the Aurbis. Sounds create Musics, and musics formulate the existence in TES verse itself.
That makes sense. So basically they manip stuff attack stuff affect god-stuff... and Dova's more OP than those gods... huh Am I correct?KongKing23 said:Those who can manipulate the sounds, The Dovahkiin for example, can change reality at the very basic level and might able to affect gods (you can check the Daedric or Aedric section in TES profile to see how poweful they are). There have been mortals like King Anumaril affected these godlike beings at a whim. The Dovahkiin wields the similar power should at the very least mimic the effects.
I was indicating there is a certain grey area of The Dovahkiin's powers that one can not simply tier them. Thu'um is one of suchs.
Me too. I haven't voted yet bcz I see Dova has some 1 tier stuff and I'm unsure if I can make coherent debate but it doesn't seem so....KongKing23 said:Thirdly, you are damn right. The OP is probably trolling here. A great difference in both speed and AP makes the fight being nonsensible.
By the way, I am not even voting here. Just throw words that provoke people's interests.
TOAAPRESENCE1 said:Dova gets a mod that allows him to resist law manipulation OvO
Yes. As you can see, its a Low 2-C vs a 2-C, but the respective hax is more important than the APs, so their tier doesn't matter.Davidgumazon said:Well to make it simple... this isn't 2-C battle thread.
I am not arguing that The Dovahkiin is stronger than gods. His mastery of Tonal Magic provides a lot of grey area that one can't simply tier. Combined that with the Prisoner Metaphysics, so the potential is literally limitless.TacticalNuke002 said:Dovahkiin is horribly insignificant to literally every god or daedra. Heck, the dog of Clavicus Vile, one of the weakest Daedric Princes is stronger than Dovahkiin. He only has like one hax that goes to that level which is powernull and the gods and Daedric Princes would whoop his ass if he tries to fight them.
What is Steve's Law Manip and how is it used?
The Dovahkiin has single object above 2-C and it requires him to pull it out and use it (plus it may only work on magic, I'm planning to make a thread about that tomorrow). Steve can do literally anything and the Dovahkiin dies as he is infinitely inferior to Steve. Pulling out the Staff of Magnus is a one way ticket to obliteration. BFR is the only reason this isn't a stomp and Steve would still win if he's BFR'd as law manipulation would kill the Dovahkiin while bfr would only change Steve's location. If this is a spite against anyone it's against the low 2-C character that Star keeps throwing against 2-Cs despite the fact he's been told multiple times 2-Cs destroy the Dovahkiin.Davidgumazon said:11) OP obviously want to troll 2-C MC character. I mean: Dova has above 2-C how is this even allow? This matchup was nonsense.
The ice form shout, getting thrown around by Unrelenting force, and paralysis + a few others if I think about it longer; would like to have a word about the Dovahkiin not being prevented from doing things. Also there a few others things that lead me to believe the Staff of Magnus only works on magic. Like how would the Dovahkiin defeat the original user if they got low 1-C power nulled, also everything you null with it through out the story is magic. The Eye of Magnus uses magic, the barrier it created around the college was magic, and it only nulls the Dovahkiin's magic and nothing else.TacticalNuke002 said:That is obviously game mechanics since there isn't anything in the game that outright prevents the player from doing anything (other than the ropes in the beginning of the game).
Except that we literally have no idea how the fight actually goes down. The only reliable feat that we can use to actually gauge the Staff of Magnus power is from the fight with Ancano, which shows the staff ability to absorb and null a low 1-C artifact in a couple of seconds.Keeweed said:But the Dovahkiin can survive that life absorption. I've seen multiple videos of people just punching the original user to death because he was doing so little damage to them. Also the Dovahkiin has to defeat the original user and that person was nulling the Dovahkiin from the other side of the temple. If the staff of Magnus has low 1-C absorption the Dovahkiin should have instantly died, but he didn't.
"The Staff of Magnus, one of the elder artifacts of Tamriel, was a metaphysical battery of sorts for its creator, Magnus. When used, it absorbs an enemy's health and mystical energy. In time, the Staff will abandon the mage who wields it before he becomes too powerful and upsets the mystical balance it is sworn to protect." - Tamrielic LoreKeeweed said:A low 1-C artifact that only uses magic and is completely based around magic, being nulled by a staff from the god of magic that is shown repeatedly in game to effect mainly magic and slightly steal a very small amount of life only after the magic is drained from the target. The life absorption likely doesn't scale to the magic absorption and the power null doesn't effect any other power you use. Also the dragon priest is shown to null you as soon as you enter the temple. It doesn't matter how the fight went down because you get effected by the staff way before the Dovahkiin could have done anything about it.
Okay, thank you for clarification about Dova. So I gonna sit here and watch how this versus thread goes. I'm only knowledgeable about Minecraft stuff I have nothing much to say this time.Keeweed said:The Dovahkiin has single object above 2-C and it requires him to pull it out and use it (plus it may only work on magic, I'm planning to make a thread about that tomorrow). Steve can do literally anything and the Dovahkiin dies as he is infinitely inferior to Steve. Pulling out the Staff of Magnus is a one way ticket to obliteration. BFR is the only reason this isn't a stomp and Steve would still win if he's BFR'd as law manipulation would kill the Dovahkiin while bfr would only change Steve's location. If this is a spite against anyone it's against the low 2-C character that Star keeps throwing against 2-Cs despite the fact he's been told multiple times 2-Cs destroy the Dovahkiin.Davidgumazon said:11) OP obviously want to troll 2-C MC character. I mean: Dova has above 2-C how is this even allow? This matchup was nonsense.