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The Death of NEP Type 2

I see.

Just to clarify, you say that at a higher level of existence, beings can interact with those with NEP Type 2 at lower levels. Could you explain this to me? I'm under the impression that simply existing at a higher plane doesn't mean one can interact with conceptual nothingness at a lower one.
NEP type 2 is based around lacking a type of abstract structure, which in VBW we assume should exist at all possible levels of reality when verse equalisation is applied ( look at how the wiki treats hax like conceptual manipulation/ soul manipulation/ mind manipulation in the first place, where we assume all characters exist under a cosmology that contains those things and all variations of those things in a vs thread, for an example of that). As such NEP type 2 only works as proof for a character lacking concepts/ forms at a layer of reality specified by the verse, but they should have concepts/ forms at a higher layer of reality not specified by the verse (see: transduality standards).
 
look at how the wiki treats hax like conceptual manipulation/ soul manipulation/ mind manipulation in the first place, where we assume all characters exist under a cosmology that contains those things and all variations of those things in a vs thread, for an example of that.
You are right, though the wiki isn't wrong on NEP type 2, it is incosistent and wrong on other abstract things
 
I'm arguing for what the wiki's standards are, not against them. That can be done another time if needed.
 
NEP type 2 is based around lacking a type of abstract structure, which in VBW we assume should exist at all possible levels of reality when verse equalisation is applied ( look at how the wiki treats hax like conceptual manipulation/ soul manipulation/ mind manipulation in the first place, where we assume all characters exist under a cosmology that contains those things and all variations of those things in a vs thread, for an example of that). As such NEP type 2 only works as proof for a character lacking concepts/ forms at a layer of reality specified by the verse, but they should have concepts/ forms at a higher layer of reality not specified by the verse (see: transduality standards).
Huh, thanks for that.

So, if a character has NEP Type 2 in a 2-A cosmology, it doesn't translate to being untouchable by a character manipulating say, 1-C concepts?
 
Except if doesn't have ever work like that, praticaly all the staff, the mod etc have always tell that NEP2 can't be affect by people with higher existence, we had like 2 thousand thread about it
 
Q&A threads have little bearing on wiki standards if any.
Pretty sure that should have a thing about the creation of this page
NEP type 2 is based around lacking a type of abstract structure, which in VBW we assume should exist at all possible levels of reality when verse equalisation is applied ( look at how the wiki treats hax like conceptual manipulation/ soul manipulation/ mind manipulation in the first place, where we assume all characters exist under a cosmology that contains those things and all variations of those things in a vs thread, for an example of that). As such NEP type 2 only works as proof for a character lacking concepts/ forms at a layer of reality specified by the verse, but they should have concepts/ forms at a higher layer of reality not specified by the verse (see: transduality standards).
For that concept are divised in type and not by layer of reality. Except if the verse talk each layer of reality having is own concept it's not how we treat thing.
 
Except if doesn't have ever work like that, praticaly all the staff, the mod etc have always tell that NEP2 can't be affect by people with higher existence, we had like 2 thousand thread about it
You know the wiki can simply perpetuate something wrong right? This happens with a lot of abilities.

And most threads mentioned are just QnA threads anyways, we've yet to have an official stance be set in a proper thread to my knowledge.
 
You know the wiki can simply perpetuate something wrong right? This happens with a lot of abilities.

And most threads mentioned are just QnA threads anyways, we've yet to have an official stance be set in a proper thread to my knowledge.
Even the one that Litteraly create the page and description of the page? Cool to know. The reason he give is like telling that a 2-A souless being could have a soul in higher dimmension in vsb because the limited scope of their verse.


And like i tell the description of NEP2 was already changed, which it mean a thread was already done, you guy just need to search.



And DT will remake a thread in some time about this
 
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Even the one that Litteraly create the page and description of the page? Cool to know. The reason he give is like telling that a 2-A souless being could have a soul in higher dimmension in vsb because the limited scope of their verse.
Appeal to Authority helps no one.
And like i tell the description of NEP2 was already changed, which it mean a thread was already done, you guy just need to search.
Can you link this then?
And DT will remake a thread in some time about this
Good, maybe then you won't be prissy over whether Nasuverse keeps it because really, you're overreacting a lot here.
 
I think maybe a reexamination of NEP2 is in order over here, if its nature is that controversial
 
I see.

Just to clarify, you say that at a higher level of existence, beings can interact with those with NEP Type 2 at lower levels.
If that's actually the case, then that changes a lot of matchups.

Sonic could probably beat UKG now, if that's the case.
 
"For that concept are divised in type and not by layer of reality. Except if the verse talk each layer of reality having is own concept it's not how we treat thing."

And I'm not talking about the indexed types? I'm talking about the fact that we consider there to be 1-A type 3 concepts, 1-C type 2 concepts, etc in matches using verse equalisation. Types not referring to tiers doesn't even begin to be an argument anyway, we accept type 3 transduality is superior to type 2 but the arbitrary nature of a specific 1-A border (when that's as justified as any other tier based border) is why they are going to be merged eventually.
 
Appeal to Authority helps no one.

Can you link this then?

Good, maybe then you won't be prissy over whether Nasuverse keeps it because really, you're overreacting a lot here.
Why you talk about Nasuverse? I don't overreact a lot, just find amusing that you tell because the comm of one people that absolutely everyone would be wrong lol. And it's not an appeal to autority
 
I don't know appealing to the original author's word like it adds credibility sounds a lot like Appeal to Authority to me
 
"For that concept are divised in type and not by layer of reality. Except if the verse talk each layer of reality having is own concept it's not how we treat thing."
And I'm not talking about the indexed types? I'm talking about the fact that we consider there to be 1-A type 3 concepts, 1-C type 2 concepts, etc in matches using verse equalisation. Types not referring to tiers doesn't even begin to be an argument anyway, we accept type 3 transduality is superior to type 2 but the specific 1-A border is why they are going to be merged eventually.
Except for transduality we don't accept the 1-A border anymore, it's why they going to be merged, so why using it as argument?

Being 1-A type 3 concept is about potency of the concept not about having each level of concept in each level of reality. Like how we don't consider that a guy that is souless in 3D will have like a soul in 6-D because we do the 1-A soul too.
 
Except for transduality we don't accept the 1-A border anymore, it's why they going to be merged, so why using it as argument?

Being 1-A type 3 concept is about potency of the concept not about having each level of concept in each level of reality. Like how we don't consider that a guy that is souless in 3D will have like a soul in 6-D because we do the 1-A soul too.
1)Because merging it was part of the argument, Jesus Christ, what do you think I was saying when I literally mentioned that? 1-A isn't being taken away because "all types of transduality are equal" it's because the 1-A boundary was arbitrary when any other tier would have been just as justified, as I said.

2)I don't even know what you are arguing in that first sentence, there would be a cosmological difference between a concept that showed the mechanics of a type 3 concept but was 1-A and a concept that showed the mechanics of a type 3 concept but was Low 2-C. Also that assumption in the second sentence is what I was arguing against in the first place, as I consider it logically inconsistent with the formally defined standards of the wiki. So you could do with actually debating instead of repeating the same pseudo argument done in this thread before against me of "that's wrong, this is right" with no justification for this central assertion.
 
1)Because merging it was part of the argument, Jesus Christ, what do you think I was saying when I literally mentioned that? 1-A isn't being taken away because "all types of transduality are equal" it's because the 1-A boundary was arbitrary when any other tier would have been just as justified, as I said.

2)I don't even know what you are arguing in that first sentence, there would be a cosmological difference between a concept that showed the mechanics of a type 3 concept but was 1-A and a concept that showed the mechanics of a type 3 concept but was Low 2-C. Also that assumption in the second sentence is what I was arguing against in the first place, as I consider it logically inconsistent with the formally defined standards of the wiki. So you could do with actually debating instead of repeating the same pseudo argument done in this thread before against me of "that's wrong, this is right" with no justification for this central assertion.
I didn't understand your first arguments because i don't see the point it was making. It's more because just to stop the glorification of the 1-A that was made before because it's non sense with the new tiering and description.

That thread has nothing to do with what's being discussed rn.
Planck ask me a thread where NEP2 description was modified.

Actually it's talk a little about it but mostly about the type effect than the reality layer effect
 
I lean except if i don't understand what you guy want explain pretty sure that it's still revelant in part with what you guy want no? Just the difference that you guy think that it's go with all reality level


"Yes! it's that! exactly

The only problem i need to fix is: if a Tier 2 is non existent on a Conceptual level, it's just a level above the basic Non existence, characters with feats or "higher dimensional" conceptual manipulation should be able to affect them. Basic Tier 2 Conceptual manipulation don't work tho"
 
"I didn't understand your first arguments because i don't see the point it was making. It's more because just to stop the glorification of the 1-A that was made before because it's non sense with the new tiering and description."
Aye, that arbitrary boundary was based around glorifying 1-A. Does that clear it up?

"Planck ask me a thread where NEP2 description was modified.

Actually it's talk a little about it but mostly about the type effect than the reality layer effect"

You can also consider my comment a response to your original argument then, since you brought up something completely irrelevant and acted condescendingly as if it was a necessary thread to "research". When, indeed, it was not.
 
"I didn't understand your first arguments because i don't see the point it was making. It's more because just to stop the glorification of the 1-A that was made before because it's non sense with the new tiering and description."
Aye, that arbitrary boundary was based around glorifying 1-A. Does that clear it up?

"Planck ask me a thread where NEP2 description was modified.

Actually it's talk a little about it but mostly about the type effect than the reality layer effect"

You can also consider my comment a response to your original argument then, since you brought up something completely irrelevant and acted condescendingly as if it was a necessary thread to "research". When, indeed, it was not.
I mean i'm pretty sure that i write "it's one of the thread" when i send the link. Not that it's the thread that will solve all the thing.

But anyways why don't just make a staff thread about it? As personnaly i have make a Q&A to ask before but apparently but it's not official answer
 
I lean except if i don't understand what you guy want explain pretty sure that it's still revelant in part with what you guy want no? Just the difference that you guy think that it's go with all reality level


"Yes! it's that! exactly

The only problem i need to fix is: if a Tier 2 is non existent on a Conceptual level, it's just a level above the basic Non existence, characters with feats or "higher dimensional" conceptual manipulation should be able to affect them. Basic Tier 2 Conceptual manipulation don't work tho"
Can't see that comment on the thread, ctrl f-ing it


I mean i'm pretty sure that i write "it's one of the thread" when i send the link. Not that it's the thread that will solve all the thing.

But anyways why don't just make a staff thread about it? As personnaly i have make a Q&A to ask before but apparently but it's not official answer
You said "And like i tell the description of NEP2 was already changed, which it mean a thread was already done, you guy just need to search." as if it was a really special thing. Also even if you were including it in the "2000 threads" it's been discussed in cool, you should have found an example thread of this bunch that proved your point.
 
Can't see that comment on the thread, ctrl f-ing it

3 comm before the end of the page, i'm on phone so can't do that ctrl + f
You said "And like i tell the description of NEP2 was already changed, which it mean a thread was already done, you guy just need to search." as if it was a really special thing. Also even if you were including it in the "2000 threads" it's been discussed in cool, you should have found an example thread of this bunch that proved your point.
I mean most if them are in Q&A not my fault to. I just used this thread because it was the one that elizhaa used in my Q&A to try to prove the same point that you
 
But anyways the best would be to make thread about this, when i made the mine some moment ago, it was in Q&A because not here to change NEP2 as for me it was already like that
 
"3 comm before the end of the page, i'm on phone so can't do that ctrl + f"
Alright, I mean that just seemed to be a random thing brought up by a blue name that didn't end up changing anything so.

"I mean most if them are in Q&A not my fault to. I just used this thread because it was the one that elizhaa used in my Q&A to try to prove the same point that you"
Okay, you brought bad evidence to the table and found it hard to find better. I mean thanks for the making my optics better ig.
 
But anyways the best would be to make thread about this, when i made the mine some moment ago, it was in Q&A is not to change NEP2 as for me it was already like that
Link the thread. Also sure, I'll keep this in my list of CRTs I wanna make.
 
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