The Courier vs Sole Survivor

[Overlord775]

Fallout New Vegas's protagonist faces off against Fallout 4's, who shall rule supreme over the wastes?

SBA, also they are both assumed to be the same gender so no black widow shenanigans. No companions for either of course.

Patrolling the mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter: 0

Another settlement needs your help. here i'll mark it on your map: 0

Inconclusive: 0

 

[Stillwinston]

I'm going to assume that neither will be able to SI the other here, what's the best skill feats we got for Survivor? Courier can do things like beat Lanius in a 1v1 who is stated to be the top fighter in the entire Legion. Is superior to Boone who can gun down scores of legion soldiers by himself in one ending, is superior to NCR rangers who are hand picked for their combat skill to perform missions deep behind enemy lines where they'd be heavily outnumbered (Courier can slap entire squads of these people btw)

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

I'm going to assume that neither will be able to SI the other here, what's the best skill feats we got for Survivor? Courier can do things like beat Lanius in a 1v1 who is stated to be the top fighter in the entire Legion. Is superior to Boone who can gun down scores of legion soldiers by himself in one ending, is superior to NCR rangers who are hand picked for their combat skill to perform missions deep behind enemy lines where they'd be heavily outnumbered (Courier can slap entire squads of these people btw)

Survivor has stronger firepower in the form of modified weapons such as the MIRV nuke launcher (though depending on how the range is handled that particular one could just be a suicide option), has formal military training, plus depending on the ending has fought an entire chapter of the Brotherhood who were highly equipped and defeated the Institute who have Coursers that are considered superior to humans, synths, and other robots in intelligence and combat. With just a single courser being enough for the Railroad to immediately stop everything and hide in fear of being destroyed. Survivor is also listed as being smarter on the profiles though I'd personally say they are comparable considering the Think Tank and Institute have a similar level of achievements, only difference is the Sole Survivor actively builds and modifies things while the Courier typically just outsmarts.

Best direct skill feats probably just amount to how much credit you give the Coursers, since the Sole Survivor has killed a bunch of em with X6-88 being stated to speak highly of their combat skill, something they apparently don't do lightly

 

[Stillwinston]

Survivor has stronger firepower in the form of modified weapons such as the MIRV nuke launcher (though depending on how the range is handled that particular one could just be a suicide option)

Yeah I'm gonna assume the tier 8 stuff is likely gonna be hard for either to use here considering the range, then again 4km could make it happen assuming they're that far apart. Courier last I checked could call down a sat beam from space assuming he has it and could catch ss by surprise.

has formal military training,

So do most NCR soldiers, their rangers are far greater than that and Courier still clowns them even in a group vs 1. Ditto with being better than Boone being superior to them and who still gunned down dozens of mooks before being subdued by himself. Blowing up the brotherhood is a respectable feat however Courier can also clown on them, in fairness though the mojave chapter was a shadow of itself.

I'd argue that Courier is better in melee considering he can outskill and defeat Legate Lanius who was the greatest fighting amongst the masses of the Legion and Courier was also better than Ulysses (Still had no clue what he was saying lol) Courier can also fight through an entire nest of Nightkin which can turn invisible Predator style too.

With just a single courser being enough for the Railroad to immediately stop everything and hide in fear of being destroyed. Survivor is also listed as being smarter on the profiles though I'd personally say they are comparable considering the Think Tank and Institute have a similar level of achievements, only difference is the Sole Survivor actively builds and modifies things while the Courier typically just outsmarts.

Best direct skill feats probably just amount to how much credit you give the Coursers, since the Sole Survivor has killed a bunch of em with X6-88 being stated to speak highly of their combat skill, something they apparently don't do lightly

Railroad from what I recall isn't all that powerful military wise, they rely more on stealth and sabotage rather than straight up fighting. Coursers however do seem to be impressive fighters being comparable to terminators from what I've seen and can tear through gunners who are heavily armed and armoured.

Moving on from this Courier has much better luck feats than from what I've seen from ss. Courier was lucky enough to survive being shot point blank and be buried alive with his rescue being chalked up to this more or less. Lucky enough to clean out entire casinos via legit gambling, lucky enough to bullshit a security system by yelling ice cream, make attacks, even point blank melee ones miss via sheer luck. SS has decent ones there but Courier is nearly Nagito levels of bonker there.

Also I know I said SI likely won't work Courier does Terrifying Presence which does induce Fear Manip, this works even on bloodlusted raiders that want to kill him btw. Though from starting at 4km I doubt this will work.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Yeah I'm gonna assume the tier 8 stuff is likely gonna be hard for either to use here considering the range, then again 4km could make it happen assuming they're that far apart. Courier last I checked could call down a sat beam from space assuming he has it and could catch ss by surprise.

The beam takes a while and has a red laser pointer for it, fat man/MIRV launchers would just be quicker

So do most NCR soldiers, their rangers are far greater than that and Courier still clowns them even in a group vs 1. Ditto with being better than Boone being superior to them and who still gunned down dozens of mooks before being subdued by himself. Blowing up the brotherhood is a respectable feat however Courier can also clown on them, in fairness though the mojave chapter was a shadow of itself.

Yeah, the formal training was just for a minimum standard and I wouldn't consider what the Courier did even remotely close since the Bonston Brotherhood and the Mojave one are practically night and day in status, near peak vs rock bottom since the Boston one had far better gear, location, and resources

I'd argue that Courier is better in melee considering he can outskill and defeat Legate Lanius who was the greatest fighting amongst the masses of the Legion and Courier was also better than Ulysses (Still had no clue what he was saying lol) Courier can also fight through an entire nest of Nightkin which can turn invisible Predator style too.

I would agree that Courier is better in pure hand to hand, mainly due to most enemies in Fallout 4 preferring ranged combat, but considering SBA they would be starting at range and it's unlikely that the Sole Survivor would give it up easily since his strongest weapons are far ranged and many of their weapons overlap with the Courier's with the exception of being modified in various ways, including better range. As for the Nightkin there are enemies in Fallout 4 that also turn invisible, such as the Coursers who all carry stealth boys or enemies that have Legendary gear that gives the effect (I feel like there are others but I am struggling to find em lol)

Railroad from what I recall isn't all that powerful military wise, they rely more on stealth and sabotage rather than straight up fighting. Coursers however do seem to be impressive fighters being comparable to terminators from what I've seen and can tear through gunners who are heavily armed and armoured.

While they aren't as powerful as say the Brotherhood in terms of raw firepower and power armor, they actually have very powerful gear. Their most notable thing is their ballistic weave armor, which is so armored that if applied to the right combination of items it can be half as strong as some power armor, with them having heavy fighters who use miniguns and stuff. They are largely a discount Brotherhood when it comes to direct combat, better than the Mojave chapter in general thanks to tactics but worst than a normal version.

Moving on from this Courier has much better luck feats than from what I've seen from ss. Courier was lucky enough to survive being shot point blank and be buried alive with his rescue being chalked up to this more or less. Lucky enough to clean out entire casinos via legit gambling, lucky enough to bullshit a security system by yelling ice cream, make attacks, even point blank melee ones miss via sheer luck. SS has decent ones there but Courier is nearly Nagito levels of bonker there.

While the Survivor lacks much of the dialogue options the Courier has, it should be noted that he has the better luck based abilities. He has stronger criticals, can store multiple which can be activated at any time (also they low-key defy physics sometimes since they practically always hit), have bullets not only miss but be deflected back at the opponent, and has a stronger vats due to how the critical system works in 4 and how luck largely just makes it more and more broken.

Also I know I said SI likely won't work Courier does Terrifying Presence which does induce Fear Manip, this works even on bloodlusted raiders that want to kill him btw. Though from starting at 4km I doubt this will work.

Likely wouldn't work since the Intimidation perk would probably also fall under that and is more combat applicable, since the Survivor can do this to basically any humanoid enemy from a distance, bloodlusted or not (plus I'd argue neither would work due to the nature of both characters, neither of them are at such a distance in stats that they could fear each other to such an extent)

Should also point out that the Survivor gets his own buffs for being alone in a fight, Lone Wanderer perk grants 30% less damage taken, deals 25% more, and gives more action points for VATS