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No I’m talking about what does all possible character strings even mean to qualify as a feat only Ultima’s depiction of Tier 0 can accomplish ? I’ve read the profile a few times and I’m still at a lossSelf-Reference ENGINE (Character)
The Self-Reference ENGINE, also known as Nemo Ex Machina, is the eponymous narrator of the novel Self-Reference ENGINE, written by Toh EnJoe. It is a completely nonexistent construction, a distant descendant of the very first computing machines, the Analytical Engine and the Difference Engine...
It means the character encompasses (or is beyond) all possible words, statements, and sentences that can be formed by language. For example, "Character X can destroy planes as big as inaccessible cardinals" is still a statement made from words and language, and would be thus among the possible statements that the character theoretically encompasses. A good representation of this concept is the Infinite Monkey Theorem.
Does this also not run into contradictions because they'll encompass "Character x cannot effect any being in anyway"
... Huh. Two things:
Yes. The same happens with apophatic beings, who can only be described in negative. Though, if you are "beyond" the set of all possible words, then probably not even negative sentences like that should have an effect on the character.
That's kind of what happens already with R>F and verse equalization.
Listen man, High 3-A and Low 2-C are also illegitimate
This is also not legit for the same reasons stuff like Low 1-C etc.
Because an infinite amount of anything like say an infinite amount of nails would be the same size as an infinite amount of universes.
This but it should be noted that Fiction does not give us an excuse to accept illogical stuff no matter what kind of pretentious stuff they try to dress it up as that's my two cents anyways.
My opinion is if fiction is going to butcher infinity frequently and repeatedly, then unfortunately, to accurately index fiction we also have to do the same thing.
It's not an accurate depiction of reality. Fiction doesn't need to give us an excuse for the simple reason that the very thing being done here already doesn't need an excuse. It's merely a way to try and figure out how to measure different franchises in a system that should be open enough to theoretically place them in tiers that represent what is done to them under a singular logic.
yes, but this system requires the decision to believe that cosmologies with r>F are inherently superior. Personally as long as it’s admitted that this is an arbitrary thing and simply a preference, then I guess i can live with it.
I think that is going to happen. It's no different from the axioms already used for our current system. As Ultima said, the very fact the current system already accepts a single infinite exists, then it already means we made a choice in accepting the axiom of infinity and positioned the system as one that accepts Infinitism and not Finitism.
You should let that happen actually, it'll be funny.
Problem is that I think Arceus (No not the avatar) (big shocker) is the character with the simplest explanation while actually have a chance to possible being applicable. So for me to truly understand the new system and to set a bar for future evaluation I think its best that it's done right, regardless of how amusing the alterative would big.
I had similar thoughts but the avatars would definitely be downgraded with the new system.
You do know that while 1-A Reality-Fiction could exist, the old Reality-Fiction will continue to exist, it just won't give 1-A (also half of Arceus' Low 1-C is from Space-Time anyway, with Reality-Fiction being the cherry on the cake)
No it won’t. The whole system is about not equating quantitative superiority with qualitative superiority.
