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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

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I mean, is much drama even occurring here in the first place? It sounds like people are saying that it shouldn't be possible for one bureaucrat to stop a thread with near-unanimous approval. Nothing really bad is happening.
 
Flowman777 said:
I mean, is much drama even occurring here in the first place? It sounds like people are saying that it shouldn't be possible for one bureaucrat to stop a thread with near-unanimous approval. Nothing really bad is happening.
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It's more so about what will come after the upgrade is accepted

Also I hate the upgrade so I am sad.
 
Ah.

Why do you hate the upgrade to qualitative superiority so much? For the reasons others like DontTalkDT have stated or do you have other reasons? Just wondering if you have something new to add.
 
Flowman777 said:
Why do you hate the upgrade to qualitative superiority so much? For the reasons others like DontTalkDT have stated or do you have other reasons? Just wondering if you have something new to add.
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In my opinion R>F by itself shouldn't even grant Low 1-C without proper beyond space-time statements, not to mention that Idk many verses that would use an R>F statement to show a 1-A character instead of a Low 1-C, so far most i've known, even the big ones, focus more on higher dimensional portrayal.
I just feel like making R>F a big ol jump to 1-A is tiktok levels of goonery and should never come to pass, but since everyone is agreeing and DT is getting piled on, ig the wiki will go down this path.
 
the problem is there's no correct answer here, DTs suggestions however are mildly worse than Ultima's.
 
IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
The amount of verses we have that use actual cardinality as a way to get to 1-A instead of metaphysical transcendence is countable on two hands. Shoving all of them into High 1-B+ is eminently reasonable, and an entire tier section for them is utterly superflous.
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I'm curious, which are those two verses?
 
Flowman777 said:
Eh disagree there. It seems like Hasty12345 is saying that no solution works perfectly right rather than saying to just use a middle between DT and Ultima's without giving serious consideration as to whether the middle solution works sufficiently right.
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that's what I was saying
 
Flowman777 said:
Eh disagree there. It seems like Hasty12345 is saying that no solution works perfectly right rather than saying to just use a middle between DT and Ultima's without giving serious consideration as to whether the middle solution works sufficiently right.
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"No solution works perfectly" is an obvious thing that's useless to even mention.
 
I do have the same issues as Arceus if that's the case. Although I think having clear separations between qualitative and quantitative superiorities is a good thing.

Good thing I actively avoid verses who deals with Tier 1. (Until my verse gets invaded by wankers).
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Because certain fandoms would abuse their large numbers to get upgrades through even though the logic was faulty.
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I highly doubt any staff is more or less biased than an average member.

I'm pretty sure other powerscaling sites have a purely democratic system and they haven't gone to hell yet.
 
Phoenks said:
"Strong objections" is a bit funny. I mean they disagree hugely, but the actual arguments they make don't seem well supported or great enough to hold back the proposal tbh.

DT has been clobbered multiple times now, and Agnaa's post was pretty low-effort imo.

The current staff vote is hugely in Ultima's favor, with many administrators on that side.
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Agnaa's response was almost 1:1 with the assumed counterpoints that were already addressed in the OP too lol
 
Based on this:

  • I don't want viewpoints that, really, are not valid readings of any case of Reality-Fiction Transcendence whatsoever (E.g. "Clearly, the fiction is the size of ink to this character, so the difference between them is finite" or "Dreams are just brain electricity, so seeing something as one is a finite difference.")
  • I don't want examples where a reality/fiction dichotomy is simply used as an analogy for some generic superiority (E.g. "Just as a painting could never harm reality, so, too could he never harm this being")
  • I don't want examples that don't qualify for a Reality-Fiction Transcendence to begin with, even under the current parameters (Up there, you tried to use Doki Doki Literature Club as a counterexample. However, DDLC is something we reject as a valid case of R>F altogether)
  • I don't want examples that are really just Plot Manipulation and don't involve any form of R>F
  • I don't want examples involving idiosyncratic definitions of what "Fiction" and "Reality" mean.
  • I don't want cases where Reality-Fiction is simply equated to a dimensional difference, or the like, and vice-versa, to be used as "counterexamples" (E.g. "Well, fiction is generally considered to be 2-D to us...")
  • As a consequence of the above (And a summation of the spirit of this list), I don't want faux Reality-Fiction, either. So, holographic principles, reality-as-simulation theories and the like are out of consideration as potential counterexamples
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a whole lot of things would not qualify for R>F Transcendencce
 
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