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The Boys discussion thread

Just_Butchering said:
Watch it at 0.25 speed (1:25), Jordan takes a swing after two blasts
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Yeah it's fine


Just_Butchering said:
Not at hand, but it's not uncommon, besides, while exceptions exist, they usually portray Super strength in all fronts, and if Neuman can even punch a supe, then she wouldn't have overpowered Tony like that
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Idk maybe


Just_Butchering said:
Supe throw each other all the time hurting each other and Sam wanted to hurt/kill Cate, he wouldn't be like "let me just be 9-C for a bit", especially when we see how he easily deals with the rest
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Yes but that doesn't change the fact that he just threw her through a table that was right next to him.
ShionAH said:
Why do people say shit like "Golden Boy solos Homelander!" "Sam is stronger than Homelander!" "Soldier Boy slams Homelander" when Homelander canonically beat one of them and the other two are not even close, I am watching Gen-V and Sam literally gets ******' defeated due to taser and gas.
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I haven't yet seen anyone say that Luke and Sam are stronger than Homelander, but the latter is hated so people want him to get beaten up by all the characters in fiction.
For Soldier Boy it's because this character is much more beloved than Homelander and therefore some people wank him and think he is stronger than Homelander. The most recurring arguments are that Soldier Boy was weakened during Herogasm (headcanon) and that's why Homelander beat him, and that Soldier Boy > Homelander because the first did more damage to V Butcher than the second (there is no proof of that once again and their only argument to defend this bullshit is that Butcher smiled against Homelander but not against Soldier Boy lol)
Just_Butchering said:
They said Luke has potential to be like HL, but 1. I don't think it was for his power and 2. Potential means he isn't there yet
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Brinks said that Luke "could be Homelander strong" and Dr. Cardosa said that "Sam is stronger than Luke ever was." At least that means Sam and Luke are the most powerful 9-A (with maybe Pre-Training Maeve) and it explains why Sam so easily overpowers Kimiko.
 
Homelander should definitely have resistance to acids and poisons:
Kessler has said that the Super-Virus is the only thing that can kill Homelander (this is even implied several times during the season anyway) while Frenchie can access and manufacture poisons and acids.
 
Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
Homelander should definitely have resistance to acids and poisons:
Kessler has said that the Super-Virus is the only thing that can kill Homelander (this is even implied several times during the season anyway) while Frenchie can access and manufacture poisons and acids.
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I added it in the sandbox, idk If I should make a CRT to update HL

For the rest maybe
 
Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
Homelander should definitely have resistance to acids and poisons:
Kessler has said that the Super-Virus is the only thing that can kill Homelander (this is even implied several times during the season anyway) while Frenchie can access and manufacture poisons and acids.
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To be fair, Kessler is just Butcher's hatred. He has no way of truly knowing what will kill him, he just wants to use the virus because of the amount of casualties it'll cost
 
Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
Brinks said that Luke "could be Homelander strong" and Dr. Cardosa said that "Sam is stronger than Luke ever was." At least that means Sam and Luke are the most powerful 9-A (with maybe Pre-Training Maeve) and it explains why Sam so easily overpowers Kimiko.
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Imo, if Sam grows up and hits the gym, Homelander is gonna have a rough time.
 
CharlesZaGreat said:
To be fair, Kessler is just Butcher's hatred. He has no way of truly knowing what will kill him, he just wants to use the virus because of the amount of casualties it'll cost
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Yeah but it's a constant that no one knows how to deal with HL, so he should have those resistances
 
Assuming we don't scale Kimiko to Soldier Boy's blasts vaporizing people, how do we handle the scaling?

The Maeve is the "second most powerful" falls in a gray area: it's from a deleted scene, but it was available in the Blue-Ray, just like the Butcher Short Film, which is canon. Also, in the Gen V, Maeve is called the strongest alumni (ex-student) from Godolkin, which would help support said statement. But technically, we don't know if it is canon.

For 9-A then (if even the Maeve scaling is not accepted) we really only have Kimiko being implied to survive lamplighter's fire blast, which would fall more into a "likely/possibly" scaling.
 
Just_Butchering said:
Also, in the Gen V, Maeve is called the strongest alumni (ex-student) from Godolkin, which would help support said statement. But technically, we don't know if it is canon.
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We know that Gen V is canon, they mention the events of it in Season 4.
 
Just_Butchering said:
Also, in the Gen V, Maeve is called the strongest alumni (ex-student) from Godolkin, which would help support said statement. But technically, we don't know if it is canon.
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Wait, how were we gonna get 9-A The Boys through Gen V feats if you didn’t know it was canon? Or are we all misreading this?
 
Just_Butchering said:
Maybe i suck at writing lol. I was questioning the canon of the deleted scene statement
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Oh that makes more sense. I mentioned before that I haven’t watched Gen V yet so I can’t reliably speak on anything about it, but if whatever there is from Gen V that potentially puts Maeve above Gen V characters is reliable enough then that alone may be all we need.
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
Oh that makes more sense. I mentioned before that I haven’t watched Gen V yet so I can’t reliably speak on anything about it, but if whatever there is from Gen V that potentially puts Maeve above Gen V characters is reliable enough then that alone may be all we need.
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Well, the statement puts Maeve above ex students, not necessarily current ones. So, Maeve svales above Deep, A-Train, Noir II and.... Blue Hawk?
Therefore, this doesn't help in direct numbers, but supports the idea that, if the deleted scene statement is accepted, Maeve is among the strongest supes (even prior to her training)
 
Just_Butchering said:
Well, the statement puts Maeve above ex students, not necessarily current ones. So, Maeve svales above Deep, A-Train, Noir II and.... Blue Hawk?
Therefore, this doesn't help in direct numbers, but supports the idea that, if the deleted scene statement is accepted, Maeve is among the strongest supes (even prior to her training)
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Mid to high tier The Boys supes if having a million 9-A implications but no definitive proof was a test:
 
Just_Butchering said:
The Maeve is the "second most powerful" falls in a gray area: it's from a deleted scene, but it was available in the Blue-Ray, just like the Butcher Short Film, which is canon. Also, in the Gen V, Maeve is called the strongest alumni (ex-student) from Godolkin, which would help support said statement. But technically, we don't know if it is canon.
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This would make her stronger than soldier boy, which is fairly unlikely.
 
ThePrimalHunter said:
We got an approved 9-A calc for Kimiko

vsbattles.fandom.com

Kimiko Soldier Boy Blast

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
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Yeah, working on sandboxes still, but adding that. Also, we are working on more 9-A calcs
Cropfist said:
This would make her stronger than soldier boy, which is fairly unlikely.
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HL made that comment back in S1 and referencing to the supes he knew (so, for example, he never knew say, Stormfront. And Soldier Boy was presumed death at that point. The statement's use is pretty much "is maeve stronger than Groundhawk/Nubian Prince?"
 
I just hope that the VFX team stop skimping out next season on showcasing how strong these characters are supposed to be in universe. They deliberately toned down their initial plans for the Soldier Boy and Butcher vs Homelander fight but that just made all three of them look absolutely pathetic. Actually show us that Homelander is this unstoppable threat instead of just telling us and them having his feats look like shit that any competent military could stomp.

"We have no idea how to kill Neuman."
"Well what have you tried?"
"We threw some acid on her and shot her with a pistol. How are we ever gonna take her down!?"
 
AcidSilver said:
I just hope that the VFX team stop skimping out next season on showcasing how strong these characters are supposed to be in universe. They deliberately toned down their initial plans for the Soldier Boy and Butcher vs Homelander fight but that just made all three of them look absolutely pathetic. Actually show us that Homelander is this unstoppable threat instead of just telling us and them having his feats look like shit that any competent military could stomp.

"We have no idea how to kill Neuman."
"Well what have you tried?"
"We threw some acid on her and shot her with a pistol. How are we ever gonna take her down!?"
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Maeve vs Homelander looking like a highschool film project about super soldiers.
 
Does anyone know why internet searches say Homelander’s full real name is John Gillman? The only thing I can find is an official site for God U which tells you to write something “original” when you type that name into the hero name section. As far as real names are concerned this trait is shared with names like Annie January, Billy Butcher, Hughie Campbell, Marvin T. Milk, Stan Edgar, Victoria Neuman, Earving and Maggie Shaw, however unless I’m misspelling something it strangely doesn’t work with some other names like Luke Riordan, Ashley Bennett, Reggie/Reginald Franklin or Kevin Moskowitz. Also kind of off-topic, but weirdly it doesn’t react to Mother’s Milk yet does react to The Female.

Not only is this the only thing close to an official mention of the name I can find, but it’s also predated by the first usage of the name on wiki sites. Is this just some widely spread misinfo that has now become implied canon or what?
 
Reyne said:
The wiki says it's from the art book. I don't remember if it was mentioned in the comic itself. It's not show canon for that matter.
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Ah I see, so the origin comes from the comic canon and people assumed show Homelander had the same last name. I figured it would’ve either been from the comic canon or just made up, as I felt the show is too mainstream for the source of that info to be so hard to find. The God U thing does heavily imply that his name actually is the same as in the comics, but I guess it’s just vague enough to where you technically can’t say for sure.

I’m still gonna call him John Gillman though, since it’s a kinda funny name.
 
Why is Ryan 10-B? Even in Season 2 he managed to physically shove Homelander to the ground.

That's definitely higher than 10-B by itself. The profile even mentions it in LS. Weird.
 
Phoenks said:
Why is Ryan 10-B? Even in Season 2 he managed to physically shove Homelander to the ground.

That's definitely higher than 10-B by itself. The profile even mentions it in LS. Weird.
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It isn't AP.

However, he hits a guy so hard he splatters on a wall, he needs to be 9-B
 
Phoenks said:
Why is Ryan 10-B? Even in Season 2 he managed to physically shove Homelander to the ground.

That's definitely higher than 10-B by itself. The profile even mentions it in LS. Weird.
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I thought he was listed as Unknown. But he should be at least Wall level from he reducing the guy to a bloody pulp
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
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More Soldier Boy scaling let’s goo
Phoenks said:
Why is Ryan 10-B? Even in Season 2 he managed to physically shove Homelander to the ground.

That's definitely higher than 10-B by itself. The profile even mentions it in LS. Weird.
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weve got WOG confirming he’s got stronger HV then Homie when enraged too so there’s easy Rage Power and 8-A scaling

Maybe something like “X Tier, up to 8-A?”
 
Just_Butchering said:
Kimiko's sandboxes.
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