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The Boys discussion thread

ShionAH said:
Pre I believe
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In that case, all the top tiers like Homie and Soldier Boy, though someone is already making a CRT to upgrade them to Class K based on them being stronger than Stormfront who can throw things that are just below a 747 and the implication that Homie would have been able to lift a plane if he was on solid ground rather than the air.
 
AThe1412 said:
Okay, so I remember Kimiko doing it but I can't find where it is yet. However, I did stumble upon Black Noir doing it instead.
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Never expected jaw ripping to be higher than head ripping but makes sense. Scales to Noir only though (Maeve has better feats anyways)
AThe1412 said:
Oh yup, there we go. The spine is still attached to the head from what I can see. He also ripped both of that guy's arms off at the same time which is Class 50. Now the only question is who would scale to him.
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Never noticed the spine was attached. Great finding! Though I think it scales to the god tiers only.
Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
Should we do a CRT for that?

Also, what about Class 50 Queen Maeve upgrade?
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I keep forgetting to do the displacement calc (and once again forgot how to 💀). But if I find the method I promise to do it today.
 
AThe1412 said:
and the implication that Homie would have been able to lift a plane if he was on solid ground rather than the air.
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Wouldn't that be grounds for an "at most", since it's supposed to be his upper limit (He couldn't in the air?) & he's physically stronger than others?
(Presuming reaching middle age hasn't deteriorated his condition.)
 
Imaginym said:
Wouldn't that be grounds for an "at most", since it's supposed to be his upper limit (He couldn't in the air?) & he's physically stronger than others?
(Presuming reaching middle age hasn't deteriorated his condition.)
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Yeah but even if that isn't enough for a solid rating, we also have him upscaling from Sam.
 
AThe1412 said:
Now the only question is who would scale to him.
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That's a tough question. Only characters in Gen V I can think of that scales to him are Andre with Telekinesis and Emma with Size Manipulation iirc. Luke should be stronger than Andre at least (not sure about big Emma) so he should scale as well imo.

For characters in The Boys, I think only god tiers scaling to him would be a good option, as we don't have much info about Gen V characters' scaling to the main series. Gen V Season 2 might give us some more scaling though.
 
Imaginym said:
Wouldn't that be grounds for an "at most", since it's supposed to be his upper limit (He couldn't in the air?) & he's physically stronger than others?
(Presuming reaching middle age hasn't deteriorated his condition.)
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No, he couldn't because physics, he wouldn't have anywhere to hold the plane from without breaking it in the air
Dinozxd said:
That's a tough question. Only characters in Gen V I can think of that scales to him are Andre with Telekinesis and Emma with Size Manipulation iirc. Luke should be stronger than Andre at least (not sure about big Emma) so he should scale as well imo.
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Andre couldn't restrain him though, brielfy at best and Sam was taken by surprise. Luke would scale to Andre's physicals, not necessarily his lifting with his magnetic powers.

But he would scale to Emma (assuming emma fully scales though, since Sam may have hold back to an extent)

Edit: though it wouldn't make sense though. Same is stronger than Luke, who is stronger than Emma, who can... Restrain Sam?
Dinozxd said:
For characters in The Boys, I think only god tiers scaling to him would be a good option, as we don't have much info about Gen V characters' scaling to the main series. Gen V Season 2 might give us some more scaling though.
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Considering how powerless Kimiko was to escape, I doubt we would get anything without contradictions.
 
Just_Butchering said:
Andre couldn't restrain him though, brielfy at best and Sam was taken by surprise.
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Yeah I misremembered the scene actually.
Just_Butchering said:
Luke would scale to Andre's physicals, not necessarily his lifting with his magnetic powers.
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I mean, Andre can maybe physically scale to Sam as he was able to push him away in this fight and it didn't seem like he was hopeless aganist him in terms of strength.

Also to have more support for Class K, Luke ripped this guy's arms off which @AThe1412 said scales to Class 50.
Just_Butchering said:
since Sam may have hold back to an extent)
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Don't think Sam was in the right mental state to hold back during that scene, even aganist Emma.
Just_Butchering said:
Considering how powerless Kimiko was to escape, I doubt we would get anything without contradictions.
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We might get more Gen V vs The Boys fights which would be great imo.
 
Just_Butchering said:
No, he couldn't because physics, he wouldn't have anywhere to hold the plane from without breaking it in the air
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So we argue that he could hold the plane's mass, if it was more dense so that it wouldn't fall apart around his hands like it would in the air, according to him? (& which we would assert wouldn't happen if he held it on the ground?)
 
Dinozxd said:
Yeah I misremembered the scene actually.

I mean, Andre can maybe physically scale to Sam as he was able to push him away in this fight and it didn't seem like he was hopeless aganist him in terms of strength.
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Yeah, that ain't lifting. Also, if anyone scaled to Sam in that regard, scaling makes no sense
Dinozxd said:
Also to have more support for Class K, Luke ripped this guy's arms off which @AThe1412 said scales to Class 50.
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Agree with Luke being class 50, but not with him scaling to Sam (downscaling mayyybe but need more support)
Dinozxd said:
Don't think Sam was in the right mental state to hold back during that scene, even aganist Emma.
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Could maybe help with downscaling, but Emma fully scaling makes no sense.
Dinozxd said:
We might get more Gen V vs The Boys fights which would be great imo.
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Great, yes, but either Kimiko and co get buffed, Sam gets nerfed, or power levels are bs lol
SlendVeny said:
Eh, for all intents and purposes, I don't think Butcher meant he would step in every square foot, rather that he would look at everything.
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This one makes more sense. Though, idk if this would scale to normal A-Train, since he could've done that with Compound V.

I'll say is a Compound V A-Train feat for safety, and mayyybe it can scale to Healthy S4 A-Train

Edit: also this method could be used for his other statement, of look at NY in 3 hours nvm it looks like an outier for S2 A-Train lol
 
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Semi-unrelatedly, looking at Young Justice TV series profiles, it seems like a lot of them have tiers matching up with the members of The Boys.

As black ops teams from superhero series, I do wonder if they could make for good matches against each other....
 
Imaginym said:
Semi-unrelatedly, looking at Young Justice TV series profiles, it seems like a lot of them have tiers matching up with the members of The Boys.

As black ops teams from superhero series, I do wonder if they could make for good matches against each other....
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LMAO aqualad vs deep moment
 
Just_Butchering said:
LMAO aqualad vs deep moment
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Lol.
That would be interesting, if only because I'd be confident in Kaldur'ahm's Skill vs Kevin's stats.


Tragically, Kid Flash in YJ is 9-B, & so are Impulse & Flash. However, unlike Wally, Impulse & Flash can go Tier 7 with enough Speed.

Since A-Train is a 9-A, possibly 8-C, he stat stomps them by a bit, probably.

& what's more, the Flash Family in YJ are already Supersonic to A-Train's Subsonic, so any of them probably Speedblitz him.
Well, correction. YJ Flash isn't Supersonic.

Speed: Relativistic+ (Stated his top speed approaches the speed of light, which is confirmed by WoG well)


So it seems like however you shake it, a YJ Speedster vs A-Train is just barely a mismatch, lol. (Unless the speed gap is somehow in a very narrow sweetspot...?)
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Just_Butchering said:
Yeah, that ain't lifting. Also, if anyone scaled to Sam in that regard, scaling makes no sense
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Eh, depends on how you see it ig. I saw that as more like pushing.
Just_Butchering said:
Agree with Luke being class 50, but not with him scaling to Sam (downscaling mayyybe but need more support)
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Downscaling would be better as Luke being Class 50 while Sam's Class K makes no sense. Jordan Li could stand their ground aganist Sam, and they got beaten by Luke.
Just_Butchering said:
Could maybe help with downscaling, but Emma fully scaling makes no sense.
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I don't get why it makes no sense really. Emma literally slammed him lol.
 
Dinozxd said:
Eh, depends on how you see it ig. I saw that as more like pushing.
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That's just a side effect of punching him. Besides, while anti feats can happen, Andre has an stated LS of 350 lbs
Dinozxd said:
Downscaling would be better as Luke being Class 50 while Sam's Class K makes no sense. Jordan Li could stand their ground aganist Sam, and they got beaten by Luke.
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Could be.
Dinozxd said:
I don't get why it makes no sense really. Emma literally slammed him lol.
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If Luke is the strongest student and Sam is even stronger, how would Emma be even stronger than either?
I don't mind downscaling Emma or scaling her to Andre for ex, but she ain't fully scaling
 
I think I'll try my hand at the Maeve truck stopping feat. I've gotten more confident with blogs so I figure I'd give it a try. Would anyone be willing to find out what truck was used for that scene? I need its length so I can figure out the displacement of Maeve's deceleration.
 
Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
vsbattles.com

The Strongest Hero in History vs The Strongest Hero of Today (The Boys: Very Minor Revisions).

There are no upgrades/downgrades and P&A additions/removals here, it's just rephrasing and additions of feats and statements of abilities/stats already accepted (and of course I will add the references when I apply the changes, in over time. The phone I'm currently using sucks so I couldn't add...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
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I was checked more in depth later, but generally I agree. Though some of the wording of the profiles is already fine, just needs to add the extra info
 
So A-Train pulled a literal train back in Season 1. Would that be enough supporting evidence for him and other mid tiers to scale to Class 10?
 
AThe1412 said:
So A-Train pulled a literal train back in Season 1. Would that be enough supporting evidence for him and other mid tiers to scale to Class 10?
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Someone brung that up already and it's already not impressive at all, so it wouldn't support it really (Also, unless I'm misremembering, no one besides Maeve has restrained Noir, so Class 10 would only be for him, and Maeve has better feats)
 


Not sure if this could be considered reliable since it comes from the Vought International Channel but some Supes who apply for The Seven can apparently bench up to 10000 pounds. This could serve as supporting evidence for a solid Class 5 rating for Kimiko and Starlight.
 
Just_Butchering said:
Agree with Luke being class 50, but not with him scaling to Sam (downscaling mayyybe but need more support)
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I believe this is the scene he was referring to when he said that Luke ripped this guy's arms off. Maybe a "likely" or "possibly" rating for Class K would work?
Just_Butchering said:
This one makes more sense. Though, idk if this would scale to normal A-Train, since he could've done that with Compound V.

I'll say is a Compound V A-Train feat for safety, and mayyybe it can scale to Healthy S4 A-Train

Edit: also this method could be used for his other statement, of look at NY in 3 hours nvm it looks like an outier for S2 A-Train lol
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Indeed, this calculation is way more reasonable. I don't know why anyone would automatically assume "searching all of Manhattan" = "covering every single square foot".
 
AThe1412 said:


Not sure if this could be considered reliable since it comes from the Vought International Channel but some Supes who apply for The Seven can apparently bench up to 10000 pounds. This could serve as supporting evidence for a solid Class 5 rating for Kimiko and Starlight.
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Don't think Vought is a reliable source. Kimiko should already scale above that through being able to tear people's jaws anyway.
AThe1412 said:
Maybe a "likely" or "possibly" rating for Class K would work?
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Likely would be better imo.
 
Dinozxd said:
Don't think Vought is a reliable source. Kimiko should already scale above that through being able to tear people's jaws anyway.
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If Kimiko can achieve that Level of LS, doesn't that support Vought's claim that "some" (But not all.) Supes can achieve that level?
 
Dinozxd said:
Don't think Vought is a reliable source. Kimiko should already scale above that through being able to tear people's jaws anyway.
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It was Black Noir who did this feat, not Kimiko. Starlight on the other hand has a Class 5 feat with the car she lifts in the very first episode. Otherwise I think Vought is reliable for this statement.
 
Dinozxd said:
Anyone who scales to Kimiko would have Class 10 though.
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I mean that Kimiko being able to pull off that feat is proof that there are indeed some supes (Such as Kimiko herself.), who can achieve Vought's 10,000 lbs claim or better, as they claim.

Thus, if Kimiko's capabilities indicate that Vought's word on this matter about supes is sufficiently accurate & reliable, we could assume 10,000 lbs applies for some Supes, even those who don't scale to Kimiko, no?
 
Just_Butchering said:
Nope, they never contested their LS, so the wouldn't scale (Also, I think A-Train doesn't have LS feats from scaling)
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I guess not
Imaginym said:
I mean that Kimiko being able to pull off that feat is proof that there are indeed some supes (Such as Kimiko herself.), who can achieve Vought's 10,000 lbs claim or better, as they claim.

Thus, if Kimiko's capabilities indicate that Vought's word on this matter about supes is sufficiently accurate & reliable, we could assume 10,000 lbs applies for some Supes, even those who don't scale to Kimiko, no?
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Maybe a "Possibly" rating then.
 
Characters with guns should get a "higher" rating for them instead of "9-C to 9-B" and speaking of guns, Gunpowder should have Marksmanship listed on his profile with the justification being that crazy ricoshot he pulled off against Billy.
 
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