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The Boys discussion thread
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ShionAH
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In that case, all the top tiers like Homie and Soldier Boy, though someone is already making a CRT to upgrade them to Class K based on them being stronger than Stormfront who can throw things that are just below a 747 and the implication that Homie would have been able to lift a plane if he was on solid ground rather than the air.
Just_Butchering
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Never expected jaw ripping to be higher than head ripping but makes sense. Scales to Noir only though (Maeve has better feats anyways)
Never noticed the spine was attached. Great finding! Though I think it scales to the god tiers only.
I keep forgetting to do the displacement calc (and once again forgot how to
). But if I find the method I promise to do it today.
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Wouldn't that be grounds for an "at most", since it's supposed to be his upper limit (He couldn't in the air?) & he's physically stronger than others?
(Presuming reaching middle age hasn't deteriorated his condition.)
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Yeah but even if that isn't enough for a solid rating, we also have him upscaling from Sam.
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That's a tough question. Only characters in Gen V I can think of that scales to him are Andre with Telekinesis and Emma with Size Manipulation iirc. Luke should be stronger than Andre at least (not sure about big Emma) so he should scale as well imo.
For characters in The Boys, I think only god tiers scaling to him would be a good option, as we don't have much info about Gen V characters' scaling to the main series. Gen V Season 2 might give us some more scaling though.
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No, he couldn't because physics, he wouldn't have anywhere to hold the plane from without breaking it in the air
Andre couldn't restrain him though, brielfy at best and Sam was taken by surprise. Luke would scale to Andre's physicals, not necessarily his lifting with his magnetic powers.
But he would scale to Emma (assuming emma fully scales though, since Sam may have hold back to an extent)
Edit: though it wouldn't make sense though. Same is stronger than Luke, who is stronger than Emma, who can... Restrain Sam?
Considering how powerless Kimiko was to escape, I doubt we would get anything without contradictions.
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Eh, for all intents and purposes, I don't think Butcher meant he would step in every square foot, rather that he would look at everything.
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Yeah I misremembered the scene actually.
I mean, Andre can maybe physically scale to Sam as he was able to push him away in this fight and it didn't seem like he was hopeless aganist him in terms of strength.
Also to have more support for Class K, Luke ripped this guy's arms off which @AThe1412 said scales to Class 50.
Don't think Sam was in the right mental state to hold back during that scene, even aganist Emma.
We might get more Gen V vs The Boys fights which would be great imo.
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So we argue that he could hold the plane's mass, if it was more dense so that it wouldn't fall apart around his hands like it would in the air, according to him? (& which we would assert wouldn't happen if he held it on the ground?)
Just_Butchering
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Yeah, that ain't lifting. Also, if anyone scaled to Sam in that regard, scaling makes no sense
Agree with Luke being class 50, but not with him scaling to Sam (downscaling mayyybe but need more support)
Could maybe help with downscaling, but Emma fully scaling makes no sense.
Great, yes, but either Kimiko and co get buffed, Sam gets nerfed, or power levels are bs lol
This one makes more sense. Though, idk if this would scale to normal A-Train, since he could've done that with Compound V.
I'll say is a Compound V A-Train feat for safety, and mayyybe it can scale to Healthy S4 A-Train
Edit: also this method could be used for his other statement, of look at NY in 3 hours
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Just_Butchering
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LMAO aqualad vs deep moment
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Lol.
That would be interesting, if only because I'd be confident in Kaldur'ahm's Skill vs Kevin's stats.
Tragically, Kid Flash in YJ is 9-B, & so are Impulse & Flash. However, unlike Wally, Impulse & Flash can go Tier 7 with enough Speed.
Since A-Train is a 9-A, possibly 8-C, he stat stomps them by a bit, probably.
& what's more, the Flash Family in YJ are already Supersonic to A-Train's Subsonic, so any of them probably Speedblitz him.
Well, correction. YJ Flash isn't Supersonic.
Speed: Relativistic+ (Stated his top speed approaches the speed of light, which is confirmed by WoG well)
So it seems like however you shake it, a YJ Speedster vs A-Train is just barely a mismatch, lol. (Unless the speed gap is somehow in a very narrow sweetspot...?)
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Eh, depends on how you see it ig. I saw that as more like pushing.
Downscaling would be better as Luke being Class 50 while Sam's Class K makes no sense. Jordan Li could stand their ground aganist Sam, and they got beaten by Luke.
I don't get why it makes no sense really. Emma literally slammed him lol.
Just_Butchering
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That's just a side effect of punching him. Besides, while anti feats can happen, Andre has an stated LS of 350 lbs
Could be.
If Luke is the strongest student and Sam is even stronger, how would Emma be even stronger than either?
I don't mind downscaling Emma or scaling her to Andre for ex, but she ain't fully scaling
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I think I'll try my hand at the Maeve truck stopping feat. I've gotten more confident with blogs so I figure I'd give it a try. Would anyone be willing to find out what truck was used for that scene? I need its length so I can figure out the displacement of Maeve's deceleration.
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The Strongest Hero in History vs The Strongest Hero of Today (The Boys: Very Minor Revisions).
There are no upgrades/downgrades and P&A additions/removals here, it's just rephrasing and additions of feats and statements of abilities/stats already accepted (and of course I will add the references when I apply the changes, in over time. The phone I'm currently using sucks so I couldn't add...
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No offense but I would prefer to measure using a similar truck instead of through line measuring an image that's sideways and another that doesn't show the full interior.
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I was checked more in depth later, but generally I agree. Though some of the wording of the profiles is already fine, just needs to add the extra infoThe Strongest Hero in History vs The Strongest Hero of Today (The Boys: Very Minor Revisions).
There are no upgrades/downgrades and P&A additions/removals here, it's just rephrasing and additions of feats and statements of abilities/stats already accepted (and of course I will add the references when I apply the changes, in over time. The phone I'm currently using sucks so I couldn't add...vsbattles.com
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I went ahead and made the calculation. What do you think?
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Maeve Stops an Armored Truck
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Just_Butchering
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Someone brung that up already and it's already not impressive at all, so it wouldn't support it really (Also, unless I'm misremembering, no one besides Maeve has restrained Noir, so Class 10 would only be for him, and Maeve has better feats)
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I believe this is the scene he was referring to when he said that Luke ripped this guy's arms off. Maybe a "likely" or "possibly" rating for Class K would work?
Indeed, this calculation is way more reasonable. I don't know why anyone would automatically assume "searching all of Manhattan" = "covering every single square foot".
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Don't think Vought is a reliable source. Kimiko should already scale above that through being able to tear people's jaws anyway.
Likely would be better imo.
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If Kimiko can achieve that Level of LS, doesn't that support Vought's claim that "some" (But not all.) Supes can achieve that level?
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Has she?
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Can someone calculate these feats please?
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It was Black Noir who did this feat, not Kimiko. Starlight on the other hand has a Class 5 feat with the car she lifts in the very first episode. Otherwise I think Vought is reliable for this statement.
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Anyone who scales to Kimiko would have Class 10 though.
I misunderstood that, though Kimiko fought Noir pretty evenly so maybe she should scale to him too?,
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Does Sun-Hee have any scaling to The Boys characters though?
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Nope, they never contested their LS, so the wouldn't scale (Also, I think A-Train doesn't have LS feats from scaling)
Nope
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I mean that Kimiko being able to pull off that feat is proof that there are indeed some supes (Such as Kimiko herself.), who can achieve Vought's 10,000 lbs claim or better, as they claim.
Thus, if Kimiko's capabilities indicate that Vought's word on this matter about supes is sufficiently accurate & reliable, we could assume 10,000 lbs applies for some Supes, even those who don't scale to Kimiko, no?
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Get ready for it. Strongest tumor in history vs strongest tumor of today.
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