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The Boys discussion thread

ThePrimalHunter said:
I think we need to have an uprising against the mods, this level of suppression can't be tolerated.

What do you mean I can't talk about if Homelanders nut can kill people? Definition of authoritarianism right there.
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I mean, I completely disagreed with the proposal, but to just close the post like that, smh.
 
Rez said:
Or we need to add a Post-Heart Transplant key cause he got that towards the end of season 3
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I was gonna share the sandboxes after I'm done with them, but I literally made 3 keys for A-Train, essentially only being different in speed and stamina LOL
 
S4 Ep8 Trailer dropped, it is implied Neuman tried to pop Homelanders head and it did not do shit lol
 
AAaatrainF8ES DIES TOMMORROW HAHAHA HE DIED ON EPISODE JULY 188 HAHAHHAHA

HOMELANDERSTANDS WINNING, ATRAINCUSJS CRYING HAHAHAHA
 
Comiphorous said:
having high durability isn't invulnerability.
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Cropfist said:
It should be resistance to blood manipulation at best.
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Unless the showing it's him explicitly resisting his blood being controlled (like ATLA's blood bending), I think it's safer for it to be Resist to Dura Neg (and that's why it's limited, in the sense that, unlike other supes you can't simply attack him from the inside out, ignoring his durability, since his insides would be just as durable as his outsides)

Soldier Boy would have the same.
 
It is the opposite of negation, because his interior's resilience is the sole reason it does not work. If a stronger character used the ability he would not survive it.
 
Just_Butchering said:
Unless the showing it's him explicitly resisting his blood being controlled (like ATLA's blood bending), I think it's safer for it to be Resist to Dura Neg (and that's why it's limited, in the sense that, unlike other supes you can't simply attack him from the inside out, ignoring his durability, since his insides would be just as durable as his outsides)

Soldier Boy would have the same.
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i was referring to you listing 'Bulletproof Durability' on the page. having high durability isn't invulnerability. all the feats in that section should just be moved to his durability section.

also off topic, you should list his heat chamber feats in his stamina section, since that's a pretty good stamina feat.
 
Cropfist said:
It is the opposite of negation, because his interior's resilience is the sole reason it does not work. If a stronger character used the ability he would not survive it.
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That's why it's "Limited" fellas, not that complex. Besides, if anyone tries to bring in a vsthread, they can easily read it only applies to internal attacks
Comiphorous said:
i was referring to you listing 'Bulletproof Durability' on the page. having high durability isn't invulnerability. all the feats in that section should just be moved to his durability section.

also off topic, you should list his heat chamber feats in his stamina section, since that's a pretty good stamina feat.
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Oh, it was just to link to a page (also, in the show that's usually what they refer to as 'invulnerability', but I can just remove the link and leave thhe ability)
Hellbeast said:
Eh it should be blood imo, that’s how she used her powers and it’d help to specify that rather then other Dura Negating power

Also why does he have invulnerability
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Her powers work by damaging the person internaly through blood (Marie made organs explode by trapping a lot of blood there, raising the pressure. Neuman can't do that not because HL has super blood, but because he is super tough internally)
 
We've seen Homelander being harmed by other supes. He is not invulnerable, just stronger than any man-made thing that has been thrown at him. Anybody near his AP level would be able to harm him.
 
My take on The Boys powerscaling and tier.


8-A = Homelander, Soldier Boy, Temp-V Butcher, Post-Training Maeve, Ryan's lasers, Starlight's amp

8-C = Soldier Boy's final explosion

9-A = Starlight, A-Train, The Deep, Black Noir I & II, Pre-Training Maeve, Kimiko, Stormfront, Groundhawk, Temp-V Hughie, Firecracker, Nubian Prince, Nubia, Sam, Andre, Golden Boy, Male Jordan, The Fiancée, Zoé, Ryan, Lamplighter's fire, Soldier Boy's explosions, Kenji's telekinesis, Crimson Countess's fireball, Female Jordan's blasts, Victoria's durability.

9-C = Translucent, Bluehawk, Butcher, MM, Frenchie, Splinter, Love Sausage, Hughie's durability, Female Jordan's durability

10-A = Female Jordan

10-B = Mesmer, Sage, Cate, Marie, Emma, Lamplighter, Victoria Neuman, Hughie, Cindy

Unknown = Giant Emma, Supersonic, Silver Kincaid, Moonshadow, Webweaver, Ezekiel, Termite, Popclaw, Kenji, Mindstorm, TNT Twins, Shockwave, Gunpowder, Crimson Countess, Tek Knight, Polarity, Eagle the Archer, Marie's durability



Class K = Homelander, Soldier Boy, Temp-V Butcher, Post-training Maeve

Class 50 = Pre-Training Maeve

Class 25 = Polarity's and Andre's magnetism

Possibly Class 10-Class 25 = Webweaver

Class 5 = Kimiko, Black Noir I & II, Starlight, Stormfront, The Deep, A-Train, Firecracker, Sam, Golden Boy, Jordan, Andre, Ryan, Supersonic, Moonshadow, Silver Kincaid, Nubia, Nubian Prince, Groundhawk, The Fiancée

Class 1-Class 5 = Cindy and Kenji telekinesis

Superhuman = Termite, Ezekiel, Bluehawk, Giant Emma, Tek Knight

Peak Human = Popclaw amp by the Compound V

Athletic Human = Translucent, Butcher, Frenchie, MM, Splinter, Love Sausage

Average Human = Mesmer, Sage, Cate, Marie, Emma, Lamplighter, Victoria Neuman, Hughie, Zoé, Cindy

Unknown = Gunpowder, Mindstorm, TNT Twins, Crimson Countess, Kenji, Shockwave, Temp-V Hughie, Butcher's cancer, Polarity, Eagle the Archer



Hypersonic+ = Homelander, Soldier Boy, Temp-V Butcher, Post-training Maeve

Supersonic+ = Stormfront's flight speed

Transonic = A-Train amp by the Compound V, Shockwave

Subsonic = A-Train

Superhuman = Pre-training Maeve, Black Noir I & II, The Deep, Stormfront, Starlight, Sam, Golden Boy, Male and Female Jordan, Andre, Firecracker, Kenji, Ryan, Zoé, The Fiancée, Butcher's cancer

Athletic Human = Butcher, MM, Frenchie, Translucent

Average Human = Mesmer, Cate, Marie, Emma Lamplighter, Victoria Neuman, Hughie, Splinter, Zoé, Cindy, Love Sausage

Unknown = Gunpowder, Mindstorm, TNT Twins, Crimson Countess, Supersonic, Moonshadow, Silver Kincaid, Nubia, Nubian Prince, Groundhawk, Temp-V Hugh, Termite, Ezekiel, Popclaw, Tek Knight, Polarity, Eagle the Archer
 
Not wanna sound rude but... Did we watch the same show?
10-A/9-C Jordan? Really? Also Temp V Hughie isn't Unknown, he downscales from A-Train/Deep

And I won't even address the Gen V stuff, is way too wrong
 
Just_Butchering said:
Not wanna sound rude but... Did we watch the same show?
10-A/9-C Jordan? Really? Also Temp V Hughie isn't Unknown, he downscales from A-Train/Deep

And I won't even address the Gen V stuff, is way too wrong
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Yes, Female Jordan is just 10-A/9-C, she always uses her blasts/sound attacks to fight.

Temp V Hughie scale at A-Train only in AP, not in Lifting


Just_Butchering said:
And I won't even address the Gen V stuff, is way too wrong
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Which ones?
 
They really did pick the perfect final song, I was almost on the edge of my seat waiting for the "eat your cancer" line
 
Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
Yes, Female Jordan is just 10-A/9-C, she always uses her blasts/sound attacks to fight.

Temp V Hughie scale at A-Train only in AP, not in Lifting
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Energy blasts* it's confirmed in the Prime Video profile

And Female Jordan took hits from Golden Boy, attempted to punch him (which would be stupid if they didn't have the strength to hurt him) and can enhance their punches with their blasts. 9-A all around.
Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
Which ones?
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Giant Emma is 9-A scaling from Sam (even with the argument of Sam holding back, he didn't even attempt to get up, plus narratively there's no reason for Emma to go giant if her super strength didn't matter.

Marie is 9-A in durability and likely AP. Dura because she took hits from Sam and Andre said that her surviving HL's heat vision was impressive. AP is a little trickier, but she tried to restrain Sam and fight Maverick, two 9-A characters. Once again, wouldn't make sense if she at least was capable of hurting them.

Neuman fought with and barely overpowered Tony (I think that was his name) who could hurt her with his strikes, so her AP scales go her Durability.
 
Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
My take on The Boys powerscaling and tier.


8-A = Homelander, Soldier Boy, Temp-V Butcher, Post-Training Maeve, Ryan's lasers, Starlight's amp

8-C = Soldier Boy's final explosion

9-A = Starlight, A-Train, The Deep, Black Noir I & II, Pre-Training Maeve, Kimiko, Stormfront, Groundhawk, Temp-V Hughie, Firecracker, Nubian Prince, Nubia, Sam, Andre, Golden Boy, Male Jordan, The Fiancée, Zoé, Ryan, Lamplighter's fire, Soldier Boy's explosions, Kenji's telekinesis, Crimson Countess's fireball, Female Jordan's blasts, Victoria's durability.

9-C = Translucent, Bluehawk, Butcher, MM, Frenchie, Splinter, Love Sausage, Hughie's durability, Female Jordan's durability

10-A = Female Jordan

10-B = Mesmer, Sage, Cate, Marie, Emma, Lamplighter, Victoria Neuman, Hughie, Cindy

Unknown = Giant Emma, Supersonic, Silver Kincaid, Moonshadow, Webweaver, Ezekiel, Termite, Popclaw, Kenji, Mindstorm, TNT Twins, Shockwave, Gunpowder, Crimson Countess, Tek Knight, Polarity, Eagle the Archer, Marie's durability



Class K = Homelander, Soldier Boy, Temp-V Butcher, Post-training Maeve

Class 50 = Pre-Training Maeve

Class 25 = Polarity's and Andre's magnetism

Possibly Class 10-Class 25 = Webweaver

Class 5 = Kimiko, Black Noir I & II, Starlight, Stormfront, The Deep, A-Train, Firecracker, Sam, Golden Boy, Jordan, Andre, Ryan, Supersonic, Moonshadow, Silver Kincaid, Nubia, Nubian Prince, Groundhawk, The Fiancée

Class 1-Class 5 = Cindy and Kenji telekinesis

Superhuman = Termite, Ezekiel, Bluehawk, Giant Emma, Tek Knight

Peak Human = Popclaw amp by the Compound V

Athletic Human = Translucent, Butcher, Frenchie, MM, Splinter, Love Sausage

Average Human = Mesmer, Sage, Cate, Marie, Emma, Lamplighter, Victoria Neuman, Hughie, Zoé, Cindy

Unknown = Gunpowder, Mindstorm, TNT Twins, Crimson Countess, Kenji, Shockwave, Temp-V Hughie, Butcher's cancer, Polarity, Eagle the Archer



Hypersonic+ = Homelander, Soldier Boy, Temp-V Butcher, Post-training Maeve

Supersonic+ = Stormfront's flight speed

Transonic = A-Train amp by the Compound V, Shockwave

Subsonic = A-Train

Superhuman = Pre-training Maeve, Black Noir I & II, The Deep, Stormfront, Starlight, Sam, Golden Boy, Male and Female Jordan, Andre, Firecracker, Kenji, Ryan, Zoé, The Fiancée, Butcher's cancer

Athletic Human = Butcher, MM, Frenchie, Translucent

Average Human = Mesmer, Cate, Marie, Emma Lamplighter, Victoria Neuman, Hughie, Splinter, Zoé, Cindy, Love Sausage

Unknown = Gunpowder, Mindstorm, TNT Twins, Crimson Countess, Supersonic, Moonshadow, Silver Kincaid, Nubia, Nubian Prince, Groundhawk, Temp-V Hugh, Termite, Ezekiel, Popclaw, Tek Knight, Polarity, Eagle the Archer
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Are these in order?

Noir II doesn't scale to anyone but the minigun and shotgun.

Andre has the AP to punch and take hits from Sam, but he did get put down in their first interaction and he does not have the lifting strength to do anything if caught (285lbs, I think is what was listed). Jordan took Sam's hits, evaded his blows, and knocked him a far bit away with her blasts. He/She was listed above Andre before Golden Boy went ape. I don't see what either would be listed below Andre.

Bluehawk could crack pavement and shove a group of people around. I don't see how he's in the same tier as Butcher and Co.

it really is odd how close everyone is in tiering given the differences portrayed. You'd think Sam tanking/no-selling Kimiko's punch would put him in a different tier, but he only has the cages hits and car roll as feats. Season 5/Season 2 of both these shows better pull put the stops.
 
Nubia might get higher with Environmental Destruction, as she can channel and create thunderstorms
 
Reyne said:
Are these in order?

Noir II doesn't scale to anyone but the minigun and shotgun.

Andre has the AP to punch and take hits from Sam, but he did get put down in their first interaction and he does not have the lifting strength to do anything if caught (285lbs, I think is what was listed). Jordan took Sam's hits, evaded his blows, and knocked him a far bit away with her blasts. He/She was listed above Andre before Golden Boy went ape. I don't see what either would be listed below Andre.

Bluehawk could crack pavement and shove a group of people around. I don't see how he's in the same tier as Butcher and Co.

it really is odd how close everyone is in tiering given the differences portrayed. You'd think Sam tanking/no-selling Kimiko's punch would put him in a different tier, but he only has the cages hits and car roll as feats. Season 5/Season 2 of both these shows better pull put the stops.
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9-C and 9-A are wide tiers, so it can happen.

Andre's punch did more than Kimiko's to Sam lmao.
 
Just_Butchering said:
9-C and 9-A are wide tiers, so it can happen.

Andre's punch did more than Kimiko's to Sam lmao.
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I guess so (had read it as .05 to .25 tons instead of .005 to .25)

I noted Andre being able to affect Sam while Kimiko couldn't.

I hope Ryan is the one to deal with Sam. That fancy jacket wearing stooge needs to be corrected. He probably is supposed to be a high tier, it's just that we need the concrete scaling.
 
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