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Noir II doesn't scale to anyone but the minigun and shotgun.
MM stated that even with assistance from Starlight & A-Train, they wouldn't be able to put him down. Also he could harm & nearly kill a V-Amped Billy

Bluehawk could crack pavement and shove a group of people around. I don't see how he's in the same tier as Butcher and Co.
Those feats are still only 9-C. Bluehawk would still upscale The Boys though
 
MM stated that even with assistance from Starlight & A-Train, they wouldn't be able to put him down. Also he could harm & nearly kill a V-Amped Billy


Those feats are still only 9-C. Bluehawk would still upscale The Boys though
A-Train had already left by that point. Unless the minigun feat puts him on par with Noir I I just don't see it.

The base Boys?
 
MM stated that even with assistance from Starlight & A-Train, they wouldn't be able to put him down. Also he could harm & nearly kill a V-Amped Billy


Those feats are still only 9-C. Bluehawk would still upscale The Boys though
No one besides the Seven seems to know Noir II isn't the OG Noir, so maybe the idea was based on his knowledge of Noir I
 
Amped Starlight in 8-A is a joke bruh, she literally did nothing to Soldier Boy
"At most 8-A" he scales to a guy that was fine after a 287 tons explosion and Annie's blast knocked the air out of him. She might not one shot a 8-A character, but it's useful for 8-B ones (I mean, I wouldn't put her in a fight with one lol, but just saying)
 
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t there an 8-C calc for Groundhawk, which scales to the mid tiers? It lines up with a calc for Lamplighter’s attacks that Kimiko can allegedly no sell
 
"At most 8-A" he scales to a guy that was fine after a 287 tons explosion and Annie's blast knocked the air out of him. She might not one shot a 8-A character, but it's useful for 8-B ones (I mean, I wouldn't put her in a fight with one lol, but just saying)
Honestly I’m pretty sure there’s a statement Honelander got stronger overtime, so it’d actually be explosion < Homelander (young) < Soldier Boy < Homie prime
 
And Female Jordan took hits from Golden Boy,
I forgot that Female Jordan took a kick from Luke, so yeah she is 9-A in durability
attempted to punch him (which would be stupid if they didn't have the strength to hurt him)
Female Jordan always uses her blasts to punch another Supes. Jordan uses his male form for sheer strength contact (he also took Luke's flames twice btw) and his female form to dodge blows and use his blasts. Only Male Jordan is 9-A in sheer striking strength
Giant Emma is 9-A scaling from Sam (even with the argument of Sam holding back, he didn't even attempt to get up, plus narratively there's no reason for Emma to go giant if her super strength didn't matter.
Giant Emma did not use her Striking Strength against Sam. She has no AP feat.
Marie is 9-A in durability and likely AP. Dura because she took hits from Sam and Andre said that her surviving HL's heat vision was impressive. AP is a little trickier, but she tried to restrain Sam and fight Maverick, two 9-A characters. Once again, wouldn't make sense if she at least was capable of hurting them.
I agree about Marie's durability. Marie trying to restrict Sam is an LS feat, and why would Maverick be 9-A?
Neuman fought with and barely overpowered Tony (I think that was his name) who could hurt her with his strikes, so her AP scales go her Durability.
Neuman didn't use her striking strength against Tony, she just barely used her LS
Are these in order?
Nope


Noir II doesn't scale to anyone but the minigun and shotgun.
He was sent to go kill the Boys, so he should be a threat to Starlight and Kimiko
Andre has the AP to punch and take hits from Sam, but he did get put down in their first interaction and he does not have the lifting strength to do anything if caught (285lbs, I think is what was listed).
It's true, Andre didn't show scale at Sam's LS, but Andre's listed LS is ridiculously low for a high-ranking Godolkin Supes. I took that as an outlier because even the American Hero contestants can all lift 10,000 pounds daily. But I'm maybe wrong and it's maybe not an outlier, Andre is perhaps just weak in LS
Bluehawk could crack pavement and shove a group of people around. I don't see how he's in the same tier as Butcher and Co.
Characters can be in the same tier but not even close in strength
He/She was listed above Andre before Golden Boy went ape. I don't see what either would be listed below Andre.
My list is not in order from strongest to weakest or vice versa, it's just random
 
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t there an 8-C calc for Groundhawk, which scales to the mid tiers? It lines up with a calc for Lamplighter’s attacks that Kimiko can allegedly no sell
9-A, and it's questionable in the scaling
Honestly I’m pretty sure there’s a statement Honelander got stronger overtime, so it’d actually be explosion < Homelander (young) < Soldier Boy < Homie prime
No, it's because people assumed that somehow getting naturally stronger from being an adult compared to a kid meant he was getting stronger with time LOL
I forgot that Female Jordan took a kick from Luke, so yeah she is 9-A in durability

Female Jordan always uses her blasts to punch another Supes. Jordan uses his male form for sheer strength contact (he also took Luke's flames twice btw) and his female form to dodge blows and use his blasts. Only Male Jordan is 9-A in sheer striking strength

Giant Emma did not use her Striking Strength against Sam. She has no AP feat.

I agree about Marie's durability. Marie trying to restrict Sam is an LS feat, and why would Maverick be 9-A?

Neuman didn't use her striking strength against Tony, she just barely used her LS
1. Already addressed
2. Let me rewatch the fight, but also, if Female J always punches with energy, then they always will do it, therefore 9-A striking
3. We use restraining a lot in this for scaling though, but I can see your point
4. Maverick hurt her and Andre was concerned when Maverick went rogue due to Cate. 9-A 100%. (Also again with restraining vs ap... But even then, you said Marie was 10-B, like, yeah a human will attempt to restrain Sam, sure)
5. Again, I know restraining is more about lifting, but usually is also still rated for AP here (best guess if because this portray them as equals/comparable to each other)
I agree except for two, maybe three things:

  • I don't think the feat with his brother is BFR.
  • Cate doesn't take a hit from Sam, she just gets thrown through a table, so it's not 9-A in durability (but 9-C or 9-B).
  • I think she's just Average Human in AP
1. BFR is about getting someone out of the battlefield for a long time (I think the wiki uses like a week or so) so her brother straight never being found again counts
2. Usually no, but Sam was angry and basically no holding back (he immediately sent marie and andre flying, and even jordan somehow)
3. I mean, I agree, I just used Unknown because she didn't even threw a punch or anything like
 
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1. Already addressed
2. Let me rewatch the fight, but also, if Female J always punches with energy, then they always will do it, therefore 9-A striking
9-A with her blasts, not physically. 10-A physically, 9-A with her blasts.
4. Maverick hurt her and Andre was concerned when Maverick went rogue due to Cate. 9-A 100%.
Ah yes, my bad


5. Again, I know restraining is more about lifting, but usually is also still rated for AP here
Do you have the wiki rule that says that or an example?





1. BFR is about getting someone out of the battlefield for a long time (I think the wiki uses like a week or so) so her brother straight never being found again counts
Indeed



2. Usually no, but Sam was angry and basically no holding back (he immediately sent marie and andre flying, and even jordan somehow)
He didn't hit Cate, he just grabbed her by the throat and threw her aside. I don't see why it would be 9-A
 
9-A with her blasts, not physically. 10-A physically, 9-A with her blasts.
Watch it at 0.25 speed (1:25), Jordan takes a swing after two blasts
Do you have the wiki rule that says that or an example?
Not at hand, but it's not uncommon, besides, while exceptions exist, they usually portray Super strength in all fronts, and if Neuman can even punch a supe, then she wouldn't have overpowered Tony like that
He didn't hit Cate, he just grabbed her by the throat and threw her aside. I don't see why it would be 9-A
Supe throw each other all the time hurting each other and Sam wanted to hurt/kill Cate, he wouldn't be like "let me just be 9-C for a bit", especially when we see how he easily deals with the rest
 
Mostly because for Butcher is dealt more damage to SB with it than he did with his strikes, but logically HL should have the same. I'll edit that in HL's sandbox
Yeah I can see the reasoning for “higher with Heat Vision”, I just found it odd how Homelander didn’t have the same considering he seemed to find it easier to overpower Billy in the beam clash than he did to overpower Billy physically.
 
Oh yeah, if I remember right we’re going to upgrade the characters to full 9-A based on (I think) some Gen V feat(s), but what feat(s) were they exactly? I forgor
 
Oh yeah, if I remember right we’re going to upgrade the characters to full 9-A based on (I think) some Gen V feat(s), but what feat(s) were they exactly? I forgor
Kimiko being likely to survive lamplighter's fire and she surviving a blast from SB (he can vaporize other humans and supes)

And Gen V also has Luke burning Brink to ashes
 
Why do people say shit like "Golden Boy solos Homelander!" "Sam is stronger than Homelander!" "Soldier Boy slams Homelander" when Homelander canonically beat one of them and the other two are not even close, I am watching Gen-V and Sam literally gets ******' defeated due to taser and gas.
 
Why do people say shit like "Golden Boy solos Homelander!" "Sam is stronger than Homelander!" "Soldier Boy slams Homelander" when Homelander canonically beat one of them and the other two are not even close, I am watching Gen-V and Sam literally gets ******' defeated due to taser and gas.
Because a lot of people can't interpret things properly lol

They said Luke has potential to be like HL, but 1. I don't think it was for his power and 2. Potential means he isn't there yet

And the trivia from one episode kinda implies Sam and Maeve as comparable but also not? Because it also says that if Sam were as strong as S3 Maeve (that fought HL) the cast wouldn't stand a chance
 
Why do people say shit like "Golden Boy solos Homelander!" "Sam is stronger than Homelander!" "Soldier Boy slams Homelander" when Homelander canonically beat one of them and the other two are not even close, I am watching Gen-V and Sam literally gets ******' defeated due to taser and gas.
1. Golden Boy gets wanked due to comparisons to Sam and his heat hax. The thing he's stated to not be able be able to burn through has a melting point of like 3,900 Celsius, and Soldier Boy is only shown to be unfazed by 3,500 Celsius, so people most likely think his heat is as good as that of Homelander's vision.

2. Sam gets wanked due to a statement comparing his leaping abilities to that of an early Maeve, leading people to believe he's as strong as S3 Maeve.

3. Soldier Boy gets wanked by comparison to Homelander, because people misremember the fight as him skillslamming Homeskillet, and also his V-melting powers could hypothetically win him the fight, despite that not being something he can control.
 
Kimiko being likely to survive lamplighter's fire and she surviving a blast from SB (he can vaporize other humans and supes)

And Gen V also has Luke burning Brink to ashes
I still think that first blast should be used separate from the following ones given its comparatively small effect.
 
A majority of characters were improved in the TV series, but I'm not a fan of how they handled some of MM's storyline. I know that shit was kinda weird in the comics, but like, his name is still Mother's Milk, he should get superpowers, even if they don't do the weakness where he has to return. Not anything crazy, but I think the slowed aging and maybe like, some low 9-A physicals would be good. Plus, it'd be kinda funny if he encountered Homelander with a backstory like that. I do appreciate that they didn't make his daughter age fast, though.

I also don't like Kimiko and Frenchie having a romantic plotline, I think she should've not had any love interests and still been like, however old 'The Female' was meant to be in the comics. I preferred the sibling dynamic they had.

Obviously the worst part is how they handled Love Sausage, but other than those 3 things, a lot of the other stuff was pretty solid.
 
I still think that first blast should be used separate from the following ones given its comparatively small effect.
Up for debate in this thread, if people want to, of course.

Though if rejected, then the boys are back to "At least 9-B, possibly 9-A"
 
Has there been any attempt to add heat resistance to Homelander and Temp V Butcher? Butcher was able to tank Homelanders lasers with minimal damage and those things can melt the steel of planes. We've also seen Soldier Boy tank Butcher heat vision which can do the same with little damage but yet only Soldier Boy is listed as having heat resistance. At the very least Homelander should have a similar level of heat resistance to Soldier Boy based on all the statements of him being an upgrade. Also, Just_Butchering, any updates on the Maeve truck stopping calculation? It would be a nice bridge to Class 50 or Class 100 top tiers if I did the math correctly.
 
Has there been any attempt to add heat resistance to Homelander and Temp V Butcher? Butcher was able to tank Homelanders lasers with minimal damage and those things can melt the steel of planes. We've also seen Soldier Boy tank Butcher heat vision which can do the same with little damage but yet only Soldier Boy is listed as having heat resistance. At the very least Homelander should have a similar level of heat resistance to Soldier Boy based on all the statements of him being an upgrade.
Here. But not for Temp-V Butcher, as in order to qualify the character needs to withstand prolonged exposure, and Butcher simply took a quick shot. Ironically, it's more impressive for Heat Vision to burn SB's skin (he didn't tank it at all) than the other way around, since SB has a far better heat resistance feat
Also, Just_Butchering, any updates on the Maeve truck stopping calculation? It would be a nice bridge to Class 50 or Class 100 top tiers if I did the math correctly.
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So my thoughts on The Boys season 4. It was alright, but definitely the weakest season thus far. You can very much tell this season was mainly just used to set up season 5. And while it did have some highlights, many moments could've been executed better or kinda fell flat. The way I interpret it, is that Season 4 is the calm before the storm. Everything is being placed into motion and season 5 is gonna be the most insane one yet.
 
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