The Bakugan Files

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Found this when watching episode 1 now. The diagram of Vestroia shows at the absolute least entire galaxies inside each Bakugan world that makes up Vestroia.

Oh. Well then nevermind to all that I just typed. XD


So, if all the spaces are actually galaxies, then I guess the Six Guardians, when at their peak, were at Galaxy Level...?

Also, Vestroia was the name of both the Dimension and the Planet the Bakugan originally lived on/in. So if we were to assume that the dimension itself was split into these six seperate galaxies, then it would make sense for the Realms to be as big as they are.

Yea lol its really confusing. The term universe was used by Dan, Drago and Naga like 4 times. And this was just the VERY FIRST episode....

Yea i think it was that. Not just the planet being split, but also the dimension it was residing in. That makes perfect sense. It explains why New Vestroia looks the way it does. A planet residing in a universe/dimension. So does this mean that Drago created the Vestals? Unless the Vestals live in a different Space-Time....

 

[GimmyJibbsJr]

The Vestals were not created by Drago, as they came from a dimension completely seperate Dimension from Vestroia/New Vestroia, or even Earth.

Also, for the Guardians, wouldn't they be, like, 3-C or 3-B for their low-end power? This is kinda crazy...

Actually, thinking about it, they all still had their positive energy when they split up Vestroia, meaning that they were still at full power because they hadn't given up their power to make the Infinity Core. So unless we suddenly get a better low-end feat from their fights, or from a feat performed by the Season 1 group, then 3-C Alpha Hyrdanoid and Hammer Gorem....

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

The Vestals were not created by Drago, as they came from a dimension completely seperate Dimension from Vestroia/New Vestroia, or even Earth.
Also, for the Guardians, wouldn't they be, like, 3-C or 3-B for their low-end power? This is kinda crazy...

Actually, thinking about it, they all still had their positive energy when they split up Vestroia, meaning that they were still at full power because they hadn't given up their power to make the Infinity Core. So unless we suddenly get a better low-end feat from their fights, or from a feat performed by the Season 1 group, then 3-C Alpha Hyrdanoid and Hammer Gorem....

Ah ok. Thought so

I think so....when the Guardians were sent to the Doom Dimension didnt they have enough power to leave whenever they wanted but chose not to? Or was it something completely different?

 

[GimmyJibbsJr]

Apparently, the Six Guadrians had access to "Attribute Energies ". These are unique to the Six Guardians, unless they so desire to give them to other Bakugan. They used these powers, in a form of "hax" manner, and were able to free the Brawlers or themselves at any time, as they also watched over Vestroia in order to maintain peace, it would seem. Although, it appears that the Guardians trusted in the newer generation, and gave new power to the Battle Brawlers of Season 1.

However, Season 1 Battle Brawlers do not have access to this power. I do believe that it does directly affect a Bakugan's power, however, as it caused several Bakugan to evolve after they had absorbed it, making them more powerful inherently.


So, while it would appear that the Six Guardians did not have their full power due to giving up their Positive Energy to make the Infinity Core, they still ahd a great power within them, and are all slightly weaker then the Battle Brawlers of Season 1. This also means that there should be at least two Keys for each page in regards to the Six Guardians (One where they have the Positive Energy before making the Infinity Core and one where they only have the Attribute Energies). I'll try looking into episodes that are late in the first season, as I vaguely remember some scenes/fights that could yield some kind of results.

Also, don't the Six Guardians have some sort of ability to Read Minds? iirc, they used this to make their individual tests for the Battle Brawlers in Season 1, such as getting Runo to admit her crush for Dan, which Lars Lion should have had no knowledge of in the first place, as well as Clayf knowing all abotu Julie's problems with her sister and such.


Also, this channel seems to have at least a large portion of the Season 1 episodes. So now we have an easy source for most of the Season 1 material.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Apparently, the Six Guadrians had access to "Attribute Energies ". These are unique to the Six Guardians, unless they so desire to give them to other Bakugan. They used these powers, in a form of "hax" manner, and were able to free the Brawlers or themselves at any time, as they also watched over Vestroia in order to maintain peace, it would seem. Although, it appears that the Guardians trusted in the newer generation, and gave new power to the Battle Brawlers of Season 1.
However, Season 1 Battle Brawlers do not have access to this power. I do believe that it does directly affect a Bakugan's power, however, as it caused several Bakugan to evolve after they had absorbed it, making them more powerful inherently.


So, while it would appear that the Six Guardians did not have their full power due to giving up their Positive Energy to make the Infinity Core, they still ahd a great power within them, and are all slightly weaker then the Battle Brawlers of Season 1. This also means that there should be at least two Keys for each page in regards to the Six Guardians (One where they have the Positive Energy before making the Infinity Core and one where they only have the Attribute Energies). I'll try looking into episodes that are late in the first season, as I vaguely remember some scenes/fights that could yield some kind of results.

Also, don't the Six Guardians have some sort of ability to Read Minds? iirc, they used this to make their individual tests for the Battle Brawlers in Season 1, such as getting Runo to admit her crush for Dan, which Lars Lion should have had no knowledge of in the first place, as well as Clayf knowing all abotu Julie's problems with her sister and such.


Also, this channel seems to have at least a large portion of the Season 1 episodes. So now we have an easy source for most of the Season 1 material.

Agree with everything you say definitely. It might be the best way to get a good rating for their stats. Also we should factor in their Ability Cards as sortve hax abilities. Apolonir when fighting Drago had abilities that involved stuff like Energy Absorbtion, Transformation, etc. He also has the ability to make Portals in Space-Time and travel dimensions. And IIRC Each of the Six Guardians also have a connecton to the Perfect Core as well and it makes sense since they could separate Drago from it and create a new body for him and Apolonir was able to find Drago when he was in Spectra's hands via his own connection to the core.

And as for ur answer to your earlier question, yes they have mind reading and access to Minds. In the episode after Dan lost Drago to Spectra, Dan was having a dream and he met and talked to Apolonir in his dream. Then when Dan woke up Apolonir in his ball form was right next to Dan waiting for him to wake up so that could imply Apolonir could also teleport himself into and out of people's minds.

I also remembered that after Dan woke up Apolonir immediately teleported him, Mira, Baron, Julie and Runo to Spectra and Gus's hide out and Dan had all of his clothes and gear on despite being in bed a few seconds before. Thats definitely teleporting and maybe low level reality warping too.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Also i feel like this needs to be addressed

Shouldnt Drago with both the Infinity and Silent Cores be able to scale to, well, ANY Bakugan knowin the series after Season 1?

The reason im addressing this is because this was Drago's strongest and most powerful evolution he has ever had in the series, being the Ultimate Bakugan

While all of his other evolutions are strong no doubt, they should all be logically weaker than Drago was at the end of season 1. Reason is because ever since New Vestroia happened, Drago had to undergo an unbelieveable nerf: him separating from the Perfect Core and being placed in a temporary body that was much weaker then when he was the Ultimate Bakugan, only having a minor connection to the Core while it remained behind to stablize New Vestroia. And then from that point onwards, him evolving via the pyrus attribute energy, then evolving via all 6 attribute energies, then evolving after gaining the element, and so on, its all being dependant on his New Vestroia form, the form weaker then he was with both cores in S1. So that should mean every single bakugan Drago has either stalemated or beaten, from S2 onward, is weaker than his form with both cores.

Anyone object?

 

[GimmyJibbsJr]

I don't object. I also think that Drago at the end of Season 1 was when he was most likely at his strongest, and when he was stronger then basically anything else out there.

I guess the biggest problem would be trying to find out an accurate level of power for Drago.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I agree

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I don't object. I also think that Drago at the end of Season 1 was when he was most likely at his strongest, and when he was stronger then basically anything else out there.
I guess the biggest problem would be trying to find out an accurate level of power for Drago.

True but Drago's best feat as Ultimate was reshaping the Bakugan universe back to the way it was before. And IIRC the Brawler's universe was threatend by the effects of the Bakugan universe so when Drago fixed it, it also saved Dan's universe from destruction and stopped the merging of the 2 realms.

Wouldnt that be a Low 2C-2C feat for Ultimate Drago?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Well if it effects space and time as well. Then Low 2-C would be okay.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Hmm.....I cant say for sure but i believe it was effecting space and time considering both universes were merging with each other. The human world was getting as many natural disasters, like winter in the summer time to the deserts being flooded just via the connecting of the 2 worlds.

Plus when Naga went to the center of Vestroia and tampered with the Infinity and Silent Core's, not only did it cause the Ininfity Core to be just smacked away through the dimensions, it also sent a shockwave throughout the entire Bakugan universe and that was when the six worlds began to break down and mix with each other. The shockwave could even be felt across different worlds, such as the human one if you count Dan being in one of the Bakugan fields feeling it.

 

[GimmyJibbsJr]

So, one moment, I just want to clarify-


Perfect Core Drago = Low 2-C (Completel maniuplation over the Universe of Vestroia, managed to bring seperated galaxies back together to form a proper Universe, saved both Vestroia and the Human's universe)

Silent Naga & Infintiy Drago = 3-B (Are equal to each other, and Silent Naga could tamper with the Galaxy sized Attribute Realms as he saw fit)

Six Guardians = At least 3-C (Used to be extremely powerful due to their "Positive Energy", each single guardian held one sixth of the power of the Silent Core and Infinity Core, meaning that they used to have power equal to one sixth of Silent Naga and Infinity Drago), Currently Unkow (They gave up their Positive Energy, and don't have a clearly defined limit to their power at this point)


Does this sum up the top tiers well enough? Or did I get something wrong?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Sounds okay.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

So, one moment, I just want to clarify-

Perfect Core Drago = Low 2-C (Completel maniuplation over the Universe of Vestroia, managed to bring seperated galaxies back together to form a proper Universe, saved both Vestroia and the Human's universe)

Silent Naga & Infintiy Drago = 3-B (Are equal to each other, and Silent Naga could tamper with the Galaxy sized Attribute Realms as he saw fit)

Six Guardians = At least 3-C (Used to be extremely powerful due to their "Positive Energy", each single guardian held one sixth of the power of the Silent Core and Infinity Core, meaning that they used to have power equal to one sixth of Silent Naga and Infinity Drago), Currently Unkow (They gave up their Positive Energy, and don't have a clearly defined limit to their power at this point)


Does this sum up the top tiers well enough? Or did I get something wrong?

This looks good tho you could put likely higher for Perfect Core Drago since he didnt likely use his full power to restore both universes. In fact it looked like he did it casually just by becoming the core to it all. The same thing should apply to Silent Naga as him tampering with the six realms and having the Silent Core's power might be better than anything we have seen in later Bakugan seasons. Other than that, I agree with those ratings.

 

[GimmyJibbsJr]

So Drago should be 2-C instead of Low 2-C, which I can side with.

I don't really think Naga should be much higher then 3-B, but I suppose that an argument for 3-A (Universe Level), could be made, and therefore Drago would scale.


Also, shouldn't Silent Naga, Infinity Drago, and the Six Guardians with Positive Energy all at least be, like MFTL or MFTL+ due to being able to travel between the Attribute Realms in a very short timespan?

I ask this because it seems as though SIlent Naga did this with no trouble, and it would obviously scale to Infinity Drago. As for Positive Energy Six Guardians, I just don't see them being that much slower then Silent Naga and Inifntiy Drago at that point.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

So Drago should be 2-C instead of Low 2-C, which I can side with.
I don't really think Naga should be much higher then 3-B, but I suppose that an argument for 3-A (Universe Level), could be made, and therefore Drago would scale.


Also, shouldn't Silent Naga, Infinity Drago, and the Six Guardians with Positive Energy all at least be, like MFTL or MFTL+ due to being able to travel between the Attribute Realms in a very short timespan?

I ask this because it seems as though SIlent Naga did this with no trouble, and it would obviously scale to Infinity Drago. As for Positive Energy Six Guardians, I just don't see them being that much slower then Silent Naga and Inifntiy Drago at that point.

Agree with this. Also they should be at least MFTL because when Drago was uniting all of Vestroia back together, Skyress, Gorem, Preyas, Hydranoid, and Tigrera all traveled back into Vestroia, when they were all on the mere outskirts of all 6 realms fusing together, in just a matter of seconds. And not just them, but every single normal Bakugan on earth as well who were all able to go back to Vestroia all very quickly too, only a bit slower than how the other 5 did it.

This should obviously scale to Drago and Naga and maybe even the Six Guardians (IIRC they did a similar feat when reacting to King Zenalheld's challenge to brawl them and even if not they should all be much stronger than the average Bakugan who did the feat, possibly even stronger than 5 other brawlers bakugan who did the feat even better but thats debateable).

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Wait on second thought shouldnt Perfect Core Drago be Omnipresent in a way? Im asking because Drago became the core that keeps the bakugan universe in balance and he even saw all of the bakugan get captured by the Vexos, especially Tigrera getting captured by Spectra and Helios.

 

[GimmyJibbsJr]

Yeah, Perfect Core Drago is most liekly Omnipresent, as he saw everything going on in New Vestroia, and was the "glue" holding everything together.


So Silent Naga and Infinity Drago are MFTL, so would that mean the other Battle Brawlers are, like, FTL+ simply due to being far inferior to those two? And one more thing, FTL should suffice for other Bakugan at most. Also, I could be remembering this incorrectly, but aren't laser sometimes considered to be lightspeed? If so, Laserman may allow for something of a good speed feat for literally all Bakugan lol

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Yeah, Perfect Core Drago is most liekly Omnipresent, as he saw everything going on in New Vestroia, and was the "glue" holding everything together.

So Silent Naga and Infinity Drago are MFTL, so would that mean the other Battle Brawlers are, like, FTL+ simply due to being far inferior to those two? And one more thing, FTL should suffice for other Bakugan at most. Also, I could be remembering this incorrectly, but aren't laser sometimes considered to be lightspeed? If so, Laserman may allow for something of a good speed feat for literally all Bakugan lol

Yea but it would probably be only 3-D omnipresent. Tho Drago did see Dan at the end of the final episode when Dan was going on his date with Runo and both universes are totally different time-spaces, so it might be considered 4-D omnipresent

I would say MFTL as they traveled back to Vestroia in a matter of seconds and easily at that. The other normal Bakugan should be FTL+ since they did so too only not as short. And yes lasers are sometimes considered light speed it just depends.

 

[GimmyJibbsJr]

Never expected even the most basic of Bakugan to be that fast. XD


Also, it would seem that Season 1 seems to be somewhat lacking in any immediately definable feats for those very low level Bakugan, which would probably be Large Building to City Block due to their sheer size, but still. So hopefully someone can find something that I may have missed. :/

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Eh not really i mean any Bakugan can destroy large buildings just with their size alone. Naga and Wavern destroyed a very large building just by growing out of their ball forms.

But yea low level bakugan in terms of power are quite pathetic. Tho they might have some feats from fighting in the Naga invasion.

 

[GimmyJibbsJr]

Wasn't there also a Juggernoid that helped fight, too? It also took part in a battle alongside Alpha Hydranoid, too, iirc

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Yea he was Christopher's partner Bakugan. The kid who Alice knows and helped become a better brawler

 

[GimmyJibbsJr]

Oh, just found this .


We could scale the wall's height from Drago's own height which in turn could be found by comparing Dan's height to his, but we'd have to estimate a length... Well, assuming we can find the amount of energy needed to make a wall of this scale, wecould use it to scale to the other Dual Elemental Bakugan in Season 1.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Good idea.

I can't wait until we get into the hax area lol

 

[GimmyJibbsJr]

Making a Calc request for the wall building as we speak.

And yeah, those abilities are gonna probably gonna yield some really fun results XD

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I can see Bakugan becoming a verse rated as a miniscual version of Pokemon right now

Perfect Core Drago definitely has the lead in hax above any other Bakugan and theres still tons more Bakugan with hax

 

[GimmyJibbsJr]

Still, it's oddly enjoyable watching Bakugan get such ratings as Universal and Galaxy. XD

And yeah, Perfect Drago is likely beyond any form of hax that any other Bakugan could have, given his level of power and his Omnipresent nature.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Still, it's oddly enjoyable watching Bakugan get such ratings as Universal and Galaxy. XD
And yeah, Perfect Drago is likely beyond any form of hax that any other Bakugan could have, given his level of power and his Omnipresent nature.

Same. Im actually very glad some people can debate Bakugan respectfully. Because a lot of people quite hate on Bakugan and downgrade it.

You should go over to Narutoforums and see for yourself. They hate Bakugan with a burning passion and say beyblade would easily beat it -_-

 

[GimmyJibbsJr]

LMAOOOOOO

Real talk, I would kinda like Bakugan, despite it's flaws. I dunno, it has a weird charm to it lol.

How strong even is Beyblade as a whole??? I doubt it could beat even the low tiers of Bakugan. :/


Also, just imagine a reboot of Bakugan. Updated animation, a bit of fixing on the voice acting, slight change in the characters... yet same overall story. I still somewhat enjoy the original Bakugan and such, but I would actually like a reboot a lot. XD

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

LMAOOOOOO
Real talk, I would kinda like Bakugan, despite it's flaws. I dunno, it has a weird charm to it lol.

How strong even is Beyblade as a whole??? I doubt it could beat even the low tiers of Bakugan. :/


Also, just imagine a reboot of Bakugan. Updated animation, a bit of fixing on the voice acting, slight change in the characters... yet same overall story. I still somewhat enjoy the original Bakugan and such, but I would actually like a reboot a lot. XD

For real. Like i see flaws but not ones notable

Hmm....At best Beyblade would peg up to like Planet level and maybe a bit higher. Star Level possibily but its very doubtful. Tho im going off of the Metal Saga series not the original beyblade. But yea its nothing comparable to Bakugan

Same haha. Tho there are mangas (or a manga) of it u could try too.

 

[GimmyJibbsJr]

I did not expect Planet-Star Level Beyblade.


I'll probably look into the Manga, then. Also, I'll probably give an update if/when someone calcs the thing I posted in the Calculation Request Thread.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

The only reason i gave beyblade that Planet-Star level rating is because of the beys Twisted Tempo and the Black Sun, the God of Destruction Diablo Nemesis

Yea you can try but i think it'll be hard to find since Bakugan isnt very popular anymore. And gotcha

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I did not expect Planet-Star Level Beyblade.

I'll probably look into the Manga, then. Also, I'll probably give an update if/when someone calcs the thing I posted in the Calculation Request Thread.

Btw im addressing this

If creating any of the Bakugan profiles is allowed, do you have any problems in making them? Or do you want anyone else to do so?

 

[GimmyJibbsJr]

I haven't made a single Profile before, but I am fairly sure that I can make on if it is needed of me.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I haven't made a single Profile before, but I am fairly sure that I can make on if it is needed of me.

Really? I havent made one either xD

 

[GimmyJibbsJr]

Yeah, the most I ever did on here for a little while was contribute to Monster Hunter, and if a Profile was to be made or edited, a user named Lasatar would usually handle it.


But I am pretty sure I can handle making a profile... it's just that I don't think we have everything set yet for any one Bakugan. We have their basic stats like AP, Speed and Dura, but not the other categories like their powers and hax.

However, I do recall Silent Naga only having a few Ability Cards on hand in the final battle. Also, I'm pretty sure it goes without saying, but anything that the Silent Core is stated to be able to do should also be applicable to Silent Naga, right?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Yea. Also any Balugan should perfectly be capable of using the ability cards their brawlers can use

Ive seen at least Drago, Skyress and Tigrera activate abilities on their own that usually Dan and the others are waited on to use

 

[GimmyJibbsJr]

Yeah, I also recall such a thing, too.


Also, just went back and realized that Tentaclear literally summons a large flash of light as it's primary ability, and Centorrior casually reacted to it, blocking the flash with his cape, meaning that it would certainly scale to other Bakugan that were also Dual Typed and crafted by Naga, too.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

That too. And dont forget about Tigrea's Valacity Fang ability also.

Or Delta Dragonoids ability D Strike Attack that literally summons meteors