The Amazing Digital Circus General Discussion Thread [Spoilers]

[Alexander]

Well, doesn't explain who Peggy was, but yeah, there definitely could be some exaggeration at play, even if some of what he says being true. Like the drag down into Hell part being true.
& he did apparently actually shoot his wife in his paranoia.
Although, he seems to control it, based on him starting the tape anew to narrate what it'd do after it's narrated?

-[shrieks]
[Kinger shoots the monster.]
-[Kinger]: Well. That wasn't so bad.
-[Mildenhall]: Which is what I would be saying if I didn't know that the creature was actually one of God's angels.

It's weird. Previously, the tapes had been narrating Theodore's own perspective, but here, he switches to speaking as though he was Kinger. Suggesting that Theodore's actions are meant to be that of the acting party (the protagonist's??) in this adventure? Like a video game where part of the mystery is the protagonist's own identity, no?

-[Kinger]: What.
-[Mildenhall]: And anyone who brings harm to it will be dragged down into the cold, spiraling pits of Hell, where my soul resides. I apologize, dear listener, but I need a living host in order to escape the hall of the damned, and your bodies will be my only means of doing so.
-[Kinger]: Now, wait. How did he record this if he was in Hell?

& he claimed to have shot it & it got up, which seems supported by how it looks like some of the creature's eyes are moving while it's on the ground. Was Theodore possessing it or something?


-[Mildenhall]: [over speakers] Tuesday, December 4th. Although I had shot the creature multiple times in its vitals and severed its head to keep as a prize on my wall…
my troubles were just beginning. I took my eyes off the body for what felt like only a minute, and when I looked back, the body was gone. The creature was not dead, and it would be back to reclaim what I'd taken from it. If anyone is listening to this, all I ask of you is one thing -- do not let the head out of your sight. You have been warned.
-[Kinger]: Well, this is some rather inconvenient lore placement.

Another case of Theodore's lore being contradictory with the angel stuff.

Oh, & Kinger seems to have a skill feat, where he caught a fly in the dark with his hands.
I wonder if he's more skilled in the dark, given he did well with the gun, & also his stuff about his memory being better in the dark due to his memory of his wife?

Another oddity: Kinger becomes entranced when looking into the rippling void of the monster's mouth.
But Caine said he couldn't control their minds, so why would his creations be able to?
Was there some illusion while it was off-camera?


Caine calls himself a war criminal after stating any torture inflicted on his "guests" is 100% accidental. Curious.


Thinking on it, maybe the message for completing the "PACIFIST ROUTE" that plays when they try to leave is just pre set-up, & checks for who's there or who's done what, as opposed to Caine sensing it?
Still, he has his watch-looking showing for sensing it, so it could be both that he set up a "check"/"flag" & has an ability to detect when they're done.

As alluded to by Theodore's dialogue, where Kinger & Pomni end up is called Hall of the Damned. (The writing on the stone isn't very clear at lower video qualities, IMHO.)
That suggests Theodore was actually down there, not where his corpse was, but where the hands dragged them to??


He in fact, said seven, at least in the English version. Time stamp 17:57

Although it's bizarre & annoying that he said 4 in the Spanish version.
Is it due to phonetic timing or something? But there's no lip flaps.... Or is it just meant to be a throwaway line, & Kinger's computer science background has no relevance? If so, ARGH.


Anyway....
Perhaps it's just mood light for cinematics, but abstracted Kinger's wife seems to illuminate the inside of the pillow fort with changing hues. Light manipulation? IDK if it applies to other Abstracted, though. It was a plot point that Abstracted was being different in those circumstances, due to the darkness.

If he didn't have it already, Caine has an elasticity feat, where, when he deems it time to end the therapy session, he extends his arm to reach & grab his top hat from atop Bubble's head/body.


Anyone else wondering if it'll be worth sorting out Theodore's mess of a narrative, circumstances & abilities? Might be some good stuff in there for the monster.

I also notice that Kinger hands can have alot of range, like he grabed possesed Pomni while he was outside

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Ngl I shidded my pants when the head came to life

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Wait, how did he remove the monster’s head without going to Hell immediately?

 

[Imaginym]

Wait, how did he remove the monster’s head without going to Hell immediately?

Maybe it took more time for Theodore to get dragged down?

Or maybe it's some screwy thing given the perspective shift in the final tape's narration from Theodore?

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

People on their way home right now from school &/or work in order to get home in time to see the new episode of The Amazing Digital Circus:

I was in the middle of my shift when the episode was posted.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

My genuine, honest, unfiltered reaction if Kinger ever Abstracts:

 

[Imaginym]

I was in the middle of my shift when the episode was posted.

Oof. Sorry if you minded what I posted.

 

[BatFellow]

I would like to see what the calc could be for Jax smashing the door using Gangle's comedy mask- it seems implied that he did break the door open with the mask.

Also, can we add a tier on Kinger's profile for "with gun"? I like the idea of giving him a gun.

Caine got a buff in abilities in this episode, at least, being able to use telekinesis to bring people right to him from far away, and we know his mental state is directly linked to the Circus's existence.

We got a lot of extra evidence for Ragatha's strength being at least equal if not greater than Jax since we see after cutting back to him that he's been bound and gagged. I can't safely assume that Gangle really had much to do with this, though we've seen her get involved in the slapstick from time to time.

 

[Imaginym]

I would like to see what the calc could be for Jax smashing the door using Gangle's comedy mask- it seems implied that he did break the door open with the mask.

I kinda went over it before.

Hmmm.
Going frame by frame for when Jax throws the mask:

Jax angles his hand towards the door, mask in hand.
Cut to the door.
Door looks plain, some white specks appear.
The door bursts, wood splintered by a giant tongue of some sort.
THEN Gangle's happy mask (Poor Gangle.) flies into the doorway.

So what happened??

A. Jax threw Gangle's mask, the door burst, the mask was launched back by the force of the door opening, but this somehow didn't break the mask, despite the mask being breakable by merely dropping onto the floor or being stepped on.
B. The door burst -from the big monster tongue- when Jax pointed at the doorway, but before he launched Gangle's mask.

& what were the white speckles? Even on 1440p, I can't make out what they're supposed to be. The door starting to splinter, maybe??

It's possible they just animated it weirdly & meant to have Jax break it, but it looks like the tongue broke it.

At best, I'd only apply the feat's rating under a "Possibly", if it's applicable, as opposed to the big tongue breaking it.

Also, can we add a tier on Kinger's profile for "with gun"? I like the idea of giving him a gun.

Yes, please!

Caine got a buff in abilities in this episode, at least, being able to use telekinesis to bring people right to him from far away, and we know his mental state is directly linked to the Circus's existence.

Agreed on the telekinesis.
Although, didn't he use it on Pomni in episode 1 during the tour?

Regarding the circus's existence, it could just be Data Manipulation or such maintained passively or through concentration.

We got a lot of extra evidence for Ragatha's strength being at least equal if not greater than Jax since we see after cutting back to him that he's been bound and gagged. I can't safely assume that Gangle really had much to do with this, though we've seen her get involved in the slapstick from time to time.

Gangle may have been assumed. Plus, it's possible Mrs. Mildenhall helped.

Given how Jax ended up tied up is unknown, I don't think we can readily assume Ragatha did it solo, even if I think it's a possibility.

 

[BatFellow]

All in all I think we can safely assume the Digital Circus characters all scale to one another in strength, apart from Caine and Bubble since obviously they're above everyone. (Though I think in Bubble's case they're just regular bubble durability but with regeneration on their side.)

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

Oof. Sorry if you minded what I posted.

I didn't mind what you posted. The unamused emoji was directed towards bad luck, not you. This thread has a spoilers warning in its title, so I'm prepared to avoid surprises being ruined if need be. Anyway, I've watched the third episode by now, and I enjoyed it. I have a feeling the pacing of this series is going to be an aspect where it shines.

 

[Jinx666]

Could I just ask tho

Since this is canonically a digital world, Shouldnt every character have a 10-C category due to merely being avatars? And their normal tiers or whatever the main feats accounted for are in a separate key like 'Within the Amazing Digital Circus'?

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

Could I just ask tho

Since this is canonically a digital world, Shouldnt every character have a 10-C category due to merely being avatars? And their normal tiers or whatever the main feats accounted for are be in a separate key like 'Within the Amazing Digital Circus'?

There should instead be a note on the profiles about Reality Equalization taking place. There wouldn't be a good use for a tier 10-C key because nothing the characters do would matter at that point, and they would just be code in a simulation that has no proof of being applicable to any other simulation.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Whenever we're between episodes I like to think some TADC version of Batman in the real world is interrogating some TADC version of the Joker who's trapped them all there. He hits him again and he's like, "WHERE ARE THEY!?!?"

 

[BatFellow]

I do think we'd have to assume that any crossover fight involving a Digital Circus character would have to take place IN the Digital Circus.

 

[Jinx666]

Well yh but we should specify it somewhere on the profiles of Verse Equalization

Cause i mean, if you take the other fighter into the Digital Circus, theyre gonna forget crucial aspects about themself. Its huge grounds for Caine to be in the Digital Circus since we've seen that place pretty much holds up on his own instability (even though idk why we giving him Star level when the sun and moon are nowhere near the same size as our own, and are instead digital (sentient) beings

 

[Alexander]

Well yh but we should specify it somewhere on the profiles of Verse Equalization

Cause i mean, if you take the other fighter into the Digital Circus, theyre gonna forget crucial aspects about themself. Its huge grounds for Caine to be in the Digital Circus since we've seen that place pretty much holds up on his own instability (even though idk why we giving him Star level when the sun and moon are nowhere near the same size as our own, and are instead digital (sentient) beings

Goose says they only forget their names, Kinger just forgot things because he spent there the longest

 

[Imaginym]

I do think we'd have to assume that any crossover fight involving a Digital Circus character would have to take place IN the Digital Circus.

(even though idk why we giving him Star level when the sun and moon are nowhere near the same size as our own, and are instead digital (sentient) beings

We're what?!

They aren't even realistic enough to satisfy our star/sun criteria, IIRC.

I guess it's because we've seen a Sun &/or Night Sky in the "Adventures" he's created, & assume those have substance, rather than being skyboxes like in a video game, given that TADC imitates one?

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

It's because of the Sun in the Candy Kingdom.

 

[Imaginym]

It's because of the Sun in the Candy Kingdom.

Ah yeah, that checks out.

Anyhow, shouldn't we try to work out the feats & ratings & P&A of Theodore Mildenhall & his monster?

 

[Jinx666]

The Sun in the Candy Kingdom would still NOT be comparable in size, OR work in the same way as it does irl since its a digital world.

These are very much limited worlds Caine creates, and he creates them overtime as opposed to all at once. These kinda stats either way need very high specification that its within TADC, since canonically they are all digital

 

[Psychomaster35]

The Sun in the Candy Kingdom would still NOT be comparable in size, OR work in the same way as it does irl since its a digital world.

These are very much limited worlds Caine creates, and he creates them overtime as opposed to all at once. These kinda stats either way need very high specification that its within TADC, since canonically they are all digital

Which is why it lists his best feats as creation. Also, nothing really states that the sun in Candy Canyon Kingdom isn't real, so we are free to use it.

Not that it'll matter since episode 3 shows there is a starry sky in the background, so Caine should be Multi-Solar System through creation.

 

[Alexander]

The Sun in the Candy Kingdom would still NOT be comparable in size, OR work in the same way as it does irl since its a digital world.

These are very much limited worlds Caine creates, and he creates them overtime as opposed to all at once. These kinda stats either way need very high specification that its within TADC, since canonically they are all digital

The zooble box is infinite

 

[Alexander]

The Zooble Box has no end

 

[Psychomaster35]

The Zooble Box has no end

Wait, so High 3-A creation for Caine?

 

[Alexander]

Wait, so High 3-A creation for Caine?

Oh yeah BABY

 

[Imaginym]

The Zooble Box has no end

Wait, so High 3-A creation for Caine?

I would assume it's meant the Zooble Box has infinite supply of parts.

That or it can create new parts an unlimited number of times without emptying.

Plus, it's a common trope for tech stuff to fail -& an actual thing, with RAM or memory- if there's too much. If there was literally infinite Zooble parts present at one time, that'd violate that.

Also, do we have standards for what qualifies as a 3-A "infinity"?

 

[Alexander]

I would assume it's meant the Zooble Box has infinite supply of parts.

That or it can create new parts an unlimited number of times without emptying.

Plus, it's a common trope for tech stuff to fail -& an actual thing, with RAM or memory- if there's too much. If there was literally infinite Zooble parts present at one time, that'd violate that.

Also, do we have standards for what qualifies as a 3-A "infinity"?

The question is about how many parts does Zooble have, and Goose says that the zoobles box is infinite, meaning that the box itself has infinite parts.
Also we need to ignore the limitations in computation here, because clearly in this world if humans can turn into mindless monsters if they give up to their minds, then the limitations for ram or memory are non existent

 

[Imaginym]

The question is about how many parts does Zooble have, and Goose says that the zoobles box is infinite, meaning that the box itself has infinite parts.
Also we need to ignore the limitations in computation here, because clearly in this world if humans can turn into mindless monsters if they give up to their minds, then the limitations for ram or memory are non existent

I don't think that confirms the human minds are being simulated, as Caine has affirmed he can't control them, despite that he can move their bodies & seemingly everything else in the circus seems sustained by him, given the scenery starts failing if he gets insecure.

Spatially, if there were infinite parts all at once in the box, it'd be more full than it is, & be overflowing. Logically, if it has an infinite supply, I'd say it only creates finite amounts at a time, like when Zooble looks in there, but parts can be taken from it repeatedly.

There's also the stuff about Caine creating stuff over time. If he needs a long time to make a world, why would be able to make an infinite supply of items before Zooble got here, which was years ago, IIRC, rather than it just being infinitely resupplying?

Infinite parts to pick from doesn't mean they all have to be present at once.

 

[Alexander]

I don't think that confirms the human minds are being simulated, as Caine has affirmed he can't control them, despite that he can move their bodies & seemingly everything else in the circus seems sustained by him, given the scenery starts failing if he gets insecure.

Spatially, if there were infinite parts all at once in the box, it'd be more full than it is, & be overflowing. Logically, if it has an infinite supply, I'd say it only creates finite amounts at a time, like when Zooble looks in there, but parts can be taken from it repeatedly.

There's also the stuff about Caine creating stuff over time. If he needs a long time to make a world, why would be able to make an infinite supply of items before Zooble got here, which was years ago, IIRC, rather than it just being infinitely resupplying?

Infinite parts to pick from doesn't mean they all have to be present at once.

There is a gold glow in the box, maybe inside is infinite and that is how there is infinite parts.
Also Caine didn't even took that long to create those worlds, it only took him a day or so, even that is not overtime, it will be overtime if it took him more days

 

[Jinx666]

The Zooble Box has no end

Errr yeah um,

Not that we should take this seriously, like, at all, but this could easily just mean that the box reloads parts and creates new ones as Zooble takes them out. This does NOT mean its infinite

Even in context, The digital circus is a limited place due to being a simulated game, as would all virtual worlds be, so there really isnt infinite space

 

[Alexander]

Errr yeah um,

Not that we should take this seriously, like, at all, but this could easily just mean that the box reloads parts and creates new ones as Zooble takes them out. This does NOT mean its infinite

Even in context, The digital circus is a limited place due to being a simulated game, as would all virtual worlds be, so there really isnt infinite space

the box does not reload parts, like the question is how many parts does Zooble have, the zooble box has no end, meaning it has infinite parts.
Again, that should not limited it, because you don't turn into a mindless monster when going beyond insane in a simulation, why putting such arbitrary rules in this? also there is a door in the same circus that leads you to a void where there is only a weird spinning thing in the first episode

 

[Imaginym]

the box does not reload parts, like the question is how many parts does Zooble have, the zooble box has no end, meaning it has infinite parts.

When someone says "There's no end to them" while fighting an army, they don't mean the army has an infinite quantity of soldiers.
It means however many they get rid of, there's still more remaining/showing up. No matter how much progress they make -Progress being something impossible with actual infinity- they still don't reach the end.

Similar should apply here.

Again, that should not limited it, because you don't turn into a mindless monster when going beyond insane in a simulation, why putting such arbitrary rules in this circus?

What is the relevance of abstracting here?
If anything, getting rid of someone's mind by making them a mindless abstraction when it becomes too much for them to handle would suggest the circus CAN'T handle a full human mind & is finite.

also there is a door in the same circus that leads you to a void where there is only a weird spinning thing in the first episode

We don't know the size of the void, just Caine saying "They'll get totally spoiled!" when he was alerted to someone being inside of it, suggesting he made it, or it has his unused stuff, the latter of which could be supported by the maze of exit doors being connected to it.

 

[Alexander]

When someone says "There's no end to them" while fighting an army, they don't mean the army has an infinite quantity of soldiers.
It means however many they get rid of, there's still more remaining/showing up. No matter how much progress they make -Progress being something impossible with actual infinity- they still don't reach the end.

Except this is not a army, this is a specific space and specific objects

Similar should apply here.

What is the relevance of abstracting here?
If anything, getting rid of someone's mind by making them a mindless abstraction when it becomes too much for them to handle would suggest the circus CAN'T handle a full human mind & is finite.

Which is not the case, they abstract because they go to insane and end up...well...abstracted, there is no implications of the Circus not handeling their minds, on the contrary, it is possible abstraction is caused by a mal fuction in the circus itself because of human minds being foreign to the Circus.

We don't know the size of the void, just Caine saying "They'll get totally spoiled!" when he was alerted to someone being inside of it, suggesting he made it, or it has his unused stuff, the latter of which could be supported by the maze of exit doors being connected to it.

i am talking about another door, not the exit door

 

[Imaginym]

Except this is not a army, this is a specific space and specific objects

The point is how it's used in relation to quantity, & quantity is the concern of both armies and the question asked of Gooseworx, which was about how many parts Zooble has.
secretmelodia asked: how many parts does zooble actually have, whether that be in their room or just in general?

Gooseworx: The Zooble box has no end.

Which is not the case, they abstract because they go to insane and end up...well...abstracted, there is no implications of the Circus not handeling their minds, on the contrary, it is possible abstraction is caused by a mal fuction in the circus itself because of human minds being foreign to the Circus.

You yourself implied that Abstracton involves becoming Mindless here:

the box does not reload parts, like the question is how many parts does Zooble have, the zooble box has no end, meaning it has infinite parts.
Again, that should not limited it, because you don't turn into a mindless monster when going beyond insane in a simulation, why putting such arbitrary rules in this? also there is a door in the same circus that leads you to a void where there is only a weird spinning thing in the first episode

Either way, this isn't proof the circus is infinite.
IRL the human mind is beyond the scope of simulation in technology, but largely because of technological limitations.
The human mind does not require infinite resources. Not to mention, we don't know if the minds are inside of or external for the circus. The headset showed at the end of Episode 1 & their inaccessibility to Caine suggests external.

i am talking about another door, not the exit door

The room with the big tower of carousels?
We don't even know if that's bigger than the circus itself, & I doubt the circus has an infinite quantity of such things, given that Caine needs time to make things & that if he can monitor TADC with his "hundreds of all-seeing eyes", he can apparently keep tabs on the whole place.

 

[Alexander]

The point is how it's used in relation to quantity, & quantity is the concern of both armies and the question asked of Gooseworx, which was about how many parts Zooble has.
secretmelodia asked: how many parts does zooble actually have, whether that be in their room or just in general?

Gooseworx: The Zooble box has no end.

A army has no concern over a specific space

You yourself implied that Abstracton involves becoming Mindless here:

Either way, this isn't proof the circus is infinite.
IRL the human mind is beyond the scope of simulation in technology, but largely because of technological limitations.
The human mind does not require infinite resources. Not to mention, we don't know if the minds are inside of or external for the circus. The headset showed at the end of Episode 1 & their inaccessibility to Caine suggests external.

except that they are inside the Circus, the headset has no one on ot, meaning that every part of them is inside the circus in some way, is not Magic, just extremely advanced technology.

The room with the big tower of carousels?
We don't even know if that's bigger than the circus itself, & I doubt the circus has an infinite quantity of such things, given that Caine needs time to make things & that if he can monitor TADC with his "hundreds of all-seeing eyes", he can apparently keep tabs on the whole place.

Yeah but that was a example of something bigger than it seems in the circus.
Also again, Caine only takes one day to make the worlds, one day IS still scalable in comparison to years

 

[Imaginym]

A army has no concern over a specific space

The concern is the words.
What was meant by the creator of the show when they said "has no end".
& such phrasing doesn't only apply to armies, its also used for other things. It's reasonable GW was using it in the same way here. "No matter how many parts Zooble pulls out, new ones will appear in their place.".

except that they are inside the Circus, the headset has no one on ot, meaning that every part of them is inside the circus in some way, is not Magic, just extremely advanced technology.

We don't know for certain that they're inside of it - Nothing has officially confirmed that to be canon, IIRC. We've only seen a headset with no one present.
In theory, if it is extremely advanced technology, they could be simulations of the human mind, copied from the original humans.
Or the minds could be "external" in that they're from a different program Caine can't access.

Yeah but that was a example of something bigger than it seems in the circus.
Also again, Caine only takes one day to make the worlds, one day IS still scalable in comparison to years

You say "bigger than it seems", but I've seen shots where the circus seems quite tall, & I doubt that carousel tower was more than a few dozen Pomnis tall.
In theory it could fit in the circus.

Though, I will agree the circus has nonlinear (Is that the word?) structures, like with the exit door. Adventures are connected to by portals, etc.

Caine also gets rid of NPCs that enter the circus because he has difficulty telling NPCs from humans. Reasonably, he wouldn't want to have too much present to keep track of at one time.

Also, Creation Feat Standards:

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[Jinx666]

the box does not reload parts, like the question is how many parts does Zooble have, the zooble box has no end, meaning it has infinite parts.
Again, that should not limited it, because you don't turn into a mindless monster when going beyond insane in a simulation, why putting such arbitrary rules in this? also there is a door in the same circus that leads you to a void where there is only a weird spinning thing in the first episode

Idk what you're saying here, but if this works like a video game, then it definitely is reloading.

Gooseworx was not making this comment in regards to worldbuilding anyway, and trying to use this to make Caine create infintiely (he cant) is too much of a stretch.

 

[Alexander]

The concern is the words.
What was meant by the creator of the show when they said "has no end".
& such phrasing doesn't only apply to armies, its also used for other things. It's reasonable GW was using it in the same way here. "No matter how many parts Zooble pulls out, new ones will appear in their place.".

We don't know for certain that they're inside of it - Nothing has officially confirmed that to be canon, IIRC. We've only seen a headset with no one present.
In theory, if it is extremely advanced technology, they could be simulations of the human mind, copied from the original humans.
Or the minds could be "external" in that they're from a different program Caine can't access.

You say "bigger than it seems", but I've seen shots where the circus seems quite tall, & I doubt that carousel tower was more than a few dozen Pomnis tall.
In theory it could fit in the circus.

Though, I will agree the circus has nonlinear (Is that the word?) structures, like with the exit door. Adventures are connected to by portals, etc.

Caine also gets rid of NPCs that enter the circus because he has difficulty telling NPCs from humans. Reasonably, he wouldn't want to have too much present to keep track of at one time.

Also, Creation Feat Standards:

Creation Feats

Creation feats are feats in which a character creates objects from nothing by means like Reality Warping or similar. This separates them from feats in which objects are created from already existing materials, which would be calculated by conventional methods, or feats that qualify for...

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Ah, yeah but where is the statements saying that he didn't create them?

 

[Alexander]

Idk what you're saying here, but if this works like a video game, then it definitely is reloading.

This is not s video game, is meant to be a cartoon show.

Gooseworx was not making this comment in regards to worldbuilding anyway, and trying to use this to make Caine create infintiely (he cant) is too much of a stretch.

is not even a stretch, because he created that thing fot Zooble