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The Amazing Digital Circus General Discussion Thread [Spoilers]
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IIRC, it's a lack of comparability.Did yall make a profile for the entire cast and just decide to stop at Kinger?
Not much suggests they harm each other regularly, the Durability stuff is mostly from Abstracted Kaufmo slamming Ragatha, who has being very durable as part of her gimmick. (Shorts showing her getting impaled & whatnot, this ep having her survive being in a deep fryer for at least nearly a minute, probably other stuff.)
Not much suggests they're comparable, & their physiologies are all different.
If Kinger had a feat, that'd help it, but as is he'd just be like "Unknown, possibly [SCALING with arguably flimsy jusitification], 9-C with shotgun".
If we have feats for him, a profile for him is fine, then, though, I think.
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I mean as weird as the scaling for this series is...given they're all digital avatars that literally cant die from physical damage or any means in this world...they would surely just, scale to eachother for merely being the player characters? Why would any one of them be 'weaker' than the other, or not able to survive when they're quite literally indestructable avatars within the game mechanics. Feel like these profiles should still mention that this is all withing TADC and not their actual stats since its so reliant on the inner game
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I think the shot at the end of the starry night sky does act as further evidence of the scope of Caine's creation.
Other than that, this episode didn't provide a ton of feats, just a few useful tidbits. We got Ragatha enduring what seemed to be nearly a solid minute in fry oil (McDonald's, which Spudy's is clearly based on, keeps their fry grease typically at 335 degrees Fahrenheit) and then being fine the next time we see her, further acting as proof of the gang's resilience to any form of damage. But we also get an interesting bit in which Ragatha succumbs to what equates to drunkenness after getting "Stupid Sauce" in her eye. I think this is consistent with how Caine says the only thing he can't control are their minds- their mental states are their biggest weakness. We also know that Caine created everything in this adventure so that means he's capable of creating something that can induce such effects... which is a bit of an unsettling thought.
Jax does have a casual moment of lifting Ragatha when he dunks her head into the fry oil, but not sure if this would be any better of a lifting strength feat than what he got already. Now that I think about it, how much would Ragatha weigh?
I think this episode also shows that Gangle's masks are more or less a mental trick rather than actually dictating how she feels- when she flings her Manager Mask off, she smiles what seems to be completely genuinely as opposed to the phony "let's get to it, gang" smile she'd been doing the whole time.
Being hit by a truck isn't exactly that big of a feat compared to what has been endured by these characters anyway but I think Gangle more or less DID get hit by the truck and sustained no damage, so that counts for her.
What is most interesting to me would be that "employee evaluation" scene where Gangle seems to be actually communicating with Jax through the video. The big question is who has the influence in this moment- was the video purely done by Caine, or by Gangle due to her managerial position? Could be a limited form of medium or technology manipulation.
Also I know what Ragatha was referencing with her weird mumbling about tea parties. Man this show shows its inspirations well
If we wanna give Caine a potential weakness, it does seem like he has trouble with creating new characters. Within the universe of The Amazing Digital Circus, Orbsman is merely a reused character from a past adventure, same with the Bandits and the Gloink Queen, and then we have all the generic mannequins who have appeared in previous episodes that are or more or less placeholders. Environments seem to be his strongsuit as we can tell from the starry night sky and the details in the restaurant, everything looking pretty spot-on. (I work in fast food, so I can say that)
Other than that, this episode didn't provide a ton of feats, just a few useful tidbits. We got Ragatha enduring what seemed to be nearly a solid minute in fry oil (McDonald's, which Spudy's is clearly based on, keeps their fry grease typically at 335 degrees Fahrenheit) and then being fine the next time we see her, further acting as proof of the gang's resilience to any form of damage. But we also get an interesting bit in which Ragatha succumbs to what equates to drunkenness after getting "Stupid Sauce" in her eye. I think this is consistent with how Caine says the only thing he can't control are their minds- their mental states are their biggest weakness. We also know that Caine created everything in this adventure so that means he's capable of creating something that can induce such effects... which is a bit of an unsettling thought.
Jax does have a casual moment of lifting Ragatha when he dunks her head into the fry oil, but not sure if this would be any better of a lifting strength feat than what he got already. Now that I think about it, how much would Ragatha weigh?
I think this episode also shows that Gangle's masks are more or less a mental trick rather than actually dictating how she feels- when she flings her Manager Mask off, she smiles what seems to be completely genuinely as opposed to the phony "let's get to it, gang" smile she'd been doing the whole time.
Being hit by a truck isn't exactly that big of a feat compared to what has been endured by these characters anyway but I think Gangle more or less DID get hit by the truck and sustained no damage, so that counts for her.
What is most interesting to me would be that "employee evaluation" scene where Gangle seems to be actually communicating with Jax through the video. The big question is who has the influence in this moment- was the video purely done by Caine, or by Gangle due to her managerial position? Could be a limited form of medium or technology manipulation.
Also I know what Ragatha was referencing with her weird mumbling about tea parties. Man this show shows its inspirations well
If we wanna give Caine a potential weakness, it does seem like he has trouble with creating new characters. Within the universe of The Amazing Digital Circus, Orbsman is merely a reused character from a past adventure, same with the Bandits and the Gloink Queen, and then we have all the generic mannequins who have appeared in previous episodes that are or more or less placeholders. Environments seem to be his strongsuit as we can tell from the starry night sky and the details in the restaurant, everything looking pretty spot-on. (I work in fast food, so I can say that)
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Thinking about it more, I didn't expect an episode to pretty much be a long allegory for depression, medication for it, and having everyone around you constantly bash you for trying to make yourself happy... along with a few other things.
Not as powerful as the last 2 episodes but I think having a big moment like that would sorta undercut it if anything
Not as powerful as the last 2 episodes but I think having a big moment like that would sorta undercut it if anything
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Not much suggests they have the same role in the "games", IMHO.
Because as said, only some of them have demonstrated feats, & a lot of the feats belong to Ragatha, who has a character gimmick of surviving stuff that should be lethal. (Again, a short shows her getting knives in the head & being fine, among other things, IIRC.)
We don't even know if they have actual "in-game" stat blocks or such.
Their physiologies are all shown to behave in different ways.
I'd hold off scaling them all to each other until the other characters get more direct feats or more direct evidence of comparability.
If there's statements about how they're invulnerable, I'd be okay with this, but otherwise I'm iffy on giving everyone else the heat resistance feat only Ragatha got. (The best anyone else showed was Zooble quickly recovering from a discolouring heat exposure from using a spatula hand on the grill.)
It is an interesting implication.
Since she's a big stuffed ball, it might not be that much. What are his other feats? I recall him chucking a bowling ball.
No apparent damage, but she also awakens in another location, so she may have fallen unconscious, assuming Caine didn't just use it as a weird setup to teleport her. Getting knocked out by something, & awaking with no apparent damage, especially in fiction, doesn't mean scaling to the thing that just incapacitated them.
I also wondered about that. I assumed some kind of Immersion or MAYBE a premade video, but probably not?
Neat!
Yeah, it looked pretty authentic.
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Nothing can kill them, but it's clear it's intended for there to be no DEATH in TADC. Stuck in there for years & all that.
We've seen them experience pain, or experience stuff that did knockback to them. Lack of lasting damage, though. So I guess they're... impervious, but subjective to pain? But stuff being able to launch them goes against that, IMHO.
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They'll all survive anything they want. Or if they dont, immediately 'respawn' and teleport elsewhere like what happened to Gangle.
Their bodies are different so they can maybe have different resistances but like...idk, durability just kinda seems irrelevant physically? There is 0 reason why they wouldnt be around the same levels of strength...not that i really agree
Caine's worls are digital too, so those starry skies are likely just decals and background images used to simulate that, rather than him actually creating the comparable fission for actual stars. Thats how video games based on this deal with that.
Their bodies are different so they can maybe have different resistances but like...idk, durability just kinda seems irrelevant physically? There is 0 reason why they wouldnt be around the same levels of strength...not that i really agree
Caine's worls are digital too, so those starry skies are likely just decals and background images used to simulate that, rather than him actually creating the comparable fission for actual stars. Thats how video games based on this deal with that.
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The Candy Kingdom is probably very big, since it has a desert they drive along prolongedly & a canyon, as well as a whole castle & area outside the castle.
Beyond that, we could assume he's made an atmosphere, though we don't know if there's any actual gas (Oxygen or otherwise.), let alone a whole planet's worth. Since digital environment where the cast don't need to breathe, only have instincts/reflexes making them act like they do until they don't remember to & go on fine without it.
On the lower end, Spudsy's has at least one building across the street from its parking lot (Vrooom Vrooom Tires. That's gonna be a fun name if we end up discussing it.) & past the drive through, Distribution Center. Might be more parking lot between Spudsy's & Distribution Center.
The road near Spudsy's is also big enough for what resembles an eighteen-wheeler-esque truck, but I don't know vehicles that well.
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TL;DR - TADC is a video game in universe. Skyboxes & textures & whatnot. Meaning it's likely there isn't actual accessible outer space.
We also don't have any certainty he made any stars he did make, using realistic fission or whatnot, as said.
There's also the fact that when we had a sun & moon in episode 1, they were cartoony & anthropomorphized.
The skyboxes at say, Mildenhall Manor & Spudsy's are more realistic looking, but especially when it's a video game in-universe, I'm not sure that's enough proof Caine & went oodles of stars, especially for a "Normal" adventure where they wouldn't even be involved.
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I prefer to go with the interpretation that he did create the stars, even if they are not accessible (mainly because it is unnecessary to access them).
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But usually when something isn't meant to be accessible in a video game (As TADC is intended to be.), the devs simply don't create it, especially if it's just for a skybox.
Also, the stuff I quoted when saying "What about this stuff?" was in regards to the other things Caine has created. I'd assume he could get into Tier 7, if not 6 via creation of the Candy Kingdom, from when BatFellow asked about his other Creation feats earlier in this thread.
What I had quoted wasn't directly about if he created the stars or not.
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I'm going to be honest with you, many series, video games and such, never explain to you if the stars in the sky have the same compositions as the real stars when there is a pocket dimension of that type, the most that is said is that "they created it" and You have to swallow all the ideas that they did create stars with a hydrogen composition even though there is no proof of that exactly.
so you just have to "yeah this just, works"
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Yes, but those are the video games we're playing.
They're meant to present a world to us, even though we KNOW the world the video game's story presents is fake.
But The Amazing Digital Circus is a video game, a work of fiction, within another fictional setting; We KNOW that in the setting of TADC (the show), the video game is not reality, & is fake.
The food in the video game is fake & indigestible, & there's out of bounds with unused, inactive models.
The stars would be a skybox, a pretend part of a pretend world, & we know they're not supposed to be real, they're a trick of game mechanics, even in-universe.
We immerse ourselves in video games, & have them feel "real" for us, but TADC is "fake" in-universe.
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until i hear them saying "nothing is real, not even the stars, they are just flashing lights without true heat source"then they are stars.
also we know they can still eat, and feel the "sensation"of eating, even when they don't need to eat
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They can taste & feel the sensation of eating because they're still real human minds & people.
But they're in a fake video game world, with fake things, even if their minds can't be affected.
We probably also have to account for Creation Feats Standards:
Creation Feats
Creation feats are feats in which a character creates objects from nothing by means like Reality Warping or similar. This separates them from feats in which objects are created from already existing materials, which would be calculated by conventional methods, or feats that qualify for...
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"The first obvious requirement is that it must be certain that an actual creation feat took place. If, for example, stars appear to have been created it must be certain that those aren't just minor light sources looking similar."
Pocket Reality Feats
Feats that involve the creation and manipulation of pocket realities are recurrently used to define a character's capacity to harm an opponent. Those feats are granted the same tier as creating the things contained inside them would.However, before such feats can be considered valid, there must be conclusive evidence that the pocket reality in question was created by a certain character, and that they didn't simply transport other characters to one that existed previously.
If the Pocket Reality in question encompasses celestial bodies, gravitational binding energy is used. If there are multiple celestial bodies and space in between them, the inverse square law is used, assuming equivalent power to an explosion that would destroy the most distant celestial bodies within the pocket reality.
As such creating a dimension large enough to contain a starry sky does qualify as a 4-A Tier feat; however.
- There should be evidence or a well detailed explanation that a pocket dimension was created, and not simply an illusion or teleportation to another location.
- There should be some reason to consider the backgrounds stars, not just painted decorations within a throne room or museum.
- Even though there is concrete evidence for pocket reality creations to qualify as an Attack Potency feat; it should not be assumed to scale to physical statistics without some notable scaling reasons. Examples include on screen demonstrations, examples of destruction, or information that the same pool of energy used to create said dimension can translate to the same amount of energy being used for other abilities including but not limited to physical strikes.
In cases when a pocket reality encompasses areas smaller than celestial bodies, the Attack Potency is estimated by determining the mass created, applying the corresponding tier from the table above.
As such the regulations match those for creation feats in general.
Naturally, case-by-case analysis has to be used, and these methods need not apply for every pocket reality feat. Outliers, inconsistencies, plot-induced stupidity, and similar should be considered as well.
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ok?They can taste & feel the sensation of eating because they're still real human minds & people.
But they're in a fake video game world, with fake things, even if their minds can't be affected.
We probably also have to account for Creation Feats Standards:
Creation Feats
Creation feats are feats in which a character creates objects from nothing by means like Reality Warping or similar. This separates them from feats in which objects are created from already existing materials, which would be calculated by conventional methods, or feats that qualify for...
"The first obvious requirement is that it must be certain that an actual creation feat took place. If, for example, stars appear to have been created it must be certain that those aren't just minor light sources looking similar."
Pocket Reality Feats
Feats that involve the creation and manipulation of pocket realities are recurrently used to define a character's capacity to harm an opponent. Those feats are granted the same tier as creating the things contained inside them would.
However, before such feats can be considered valid, there must be conclusive evidence that the pocket reality in question was created by a certain character, and that they didn't simply transport other characters to one that existed previously.
If the Pocket Reality in question encompasses celestial bodies, gravitational binding energy is used. If there are multiple celestial bodies and space in between them, the inverse square law is used, assuming equivalent power to an explosion that would destroy the most distant celestial bodies within the pocket reality.
As such creating a dimension large enough to contain a starry sky does qualify as a 4-A Tier feat; however.
If the pocket reality is of comparable size to a universe and has its own timeline, this would simply be a Low 2-C feat according to the tiering system. Similarly Multiverses or even higher levels of reality would get their corresponding tier.
- There should be evidence or a well detailed explanation that a pocket dimension was created, and not simply an illusion or teleportation to another location.
- There should be some reason to consider the backgrounds stars, not just painted decorations within a throne room or museum.
- Even though there is concrete evidence for pocket reality creations to qualify as an Attack Potency feat; it should not be assumed to scale to physical statistics without some notable scaling reasons. Examples include on screen demonstrations, examples of destruction, or information that the same pool of energy used to create said dimension can translate to the same amount of energy being used for other abilities including but not limited to physical strikes.
In cases when a pocket reality encompasses areas smaller than celestial bodies, the Attack Potency is estimated by determining the mass created, applying the corresponding tier from the table above.
As such the regulations match those for creation feats in general.
Naturally, case-by-case analysis has to be used, and these methods need not apply for every pocket reality feat. Outliers, inconsistencies, plot-induced stupidity, and similar should be considered as well.
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My genuine reaction to Ragatha torture:
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Did people in the show just forget "stupid sauce" existed the moment Ragatha got infected with it? Nor does anyone order or mention it again afterward. It seems like the writers just wanted to get Ragatha out of the way for the episode, because she still does her job almost completely normally offscreen (that's a feat I haven't seen anyone mention yet).
I'm not sure what the **** insulting everyone has to do with being stupid, because Ragatha would never do that in a million years even if she was made dumber, although the stupid sauce doesn't even act like it makes you stupid, it acts like it gets you very high.
Jax didn't even get punished for being an asshole to Ragatha like Gangle said he would be. At the end of the adventure, Gangle was the one put on trial by the show instead of him, though she easily passed, and his grade wasn't lowered in the slightest from everybody else's. So he did just get off scot-free for that. Of course, how the **** Ragatha's score wasn't lowered as a result of her practically gaining another chromosome is beyond me.
I'm not sure what the **** insulting everyone has to do with being stupid, because Ragatha would never do that in a million years even if she was made dumber, although the stupid sauce doesn't even act like it makes you stupid, it acts like it gets you very high.
Jax didn't even get punished for being an asshole to Ragatha like Gangle said he would be. At the end of the adventure, Gangle was the one put on trial by the show instead of him, though she easily passed, and his grade wasn't lowered in the slightest from everybody else's. So he did just get off scot-free for that. Of course, how the **** Ragatha's score wasn't lowered as a result of her practically gaining another chromosome is beyond me.
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Aaaand Ragatha’s caked up on my feed again. Of course.
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Say what you will about the episode, the internet was NOT ready for flirt-deprived, high-as-a-kite Ragatha...
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I think sometimes you have to just remember that this show is primarily a comedy. Also, I think it's clear that the rest of them were too focused on their own tasks to really worry about why Ragatha was acting strange.
And you don't really know that Ragatha would "never do that" because we've not seen enough of Ragatha to gauge how she truly feels.
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Curious if, since the new episode takes place in a fairly mundane and realistic setting, we may wanna double check on the character's heights.
We already have this video as a direct height comparison between all of them side-by-side, so all we'd really need to do is compare one of them to one of the common fast-food items (or a door)
We already have this video as a direct height comparison between all of them side-by-side, so all we'd really need to do is compare one of them to one of the common fast-food items (or a door)
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esto es hermoso
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I love this
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So I decided to do my own version of Pomni's height based on this pic of her behind the desk. This is before she's used a box to prop herself up.
The cashier counters at restaurants on average are about thirty-six inches. It seems to go just underneath Pomni's head.
363 pixels = 3 ft, meaning one pixel is 3/32 inches or .008 feet.
I estimate by that measure that Pomni should be 51 inches tall, or 4'3.
Funnily enough, this is taller than what the original calculation based on the height of that door in the pilot got.
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So what do you think the next adventure is gonna be? Baseball? Beach day?
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