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Yep, dont forget hikone tho
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The Almighty: Clarification (Bleach manga and cfyow)
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Only if you ignore what he said a sentence prior
Again, if you don't want to use this translation it's fine, you just don't have any evidence to seperate the almighty from yhwach.
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Its "hard to grasp" because im not seeing what makes it anything more than a non-argument. Omniscience isn't mentioned because it has nothing to do with the splitting the world feat. The scene speaks about Reio's "almighty power", not his knowledge. Thus, omnipotence.
Im literally not seeing how this argument holds just because one word isn't said.
See above.
You mean someone who wasn't fighting a fully powered Yhwach?
See first response.
And again, see first response.
Knowledge has absolutely nothing to do with the splitting of the world feat, and thus, Omniscience wouldn't be randomly brought up.
Okay but I wont be budging from my stance that this specific wording of something being missing somehow means its a counter argument. At the end of the day, its still called Omnipotent. In one such case, Omnsicence is mentioned, because Yhwach lost the ability to see the future when Jugram took his power. Thus, Uryu saying he was no longer Omniscient as well.
The Soul King's feat has nothing to do with this ability to be all knowing, so why would Omniscience be mentioned? It wouldn't be. And that leaves Omnipotence left.
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Besides, didn't Ichibei flat out said Ichigo had the necessary power or the qualities to become the Soul King and he thought history was repeating itself?
Despite Ichigo NOT having or even BEING HINTED at having the Almighty?
Despite Ichigo NOT having or even BEING HINTED at having the Almighty?
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LMFAO, finally someone had the balls to make this thread, I agree
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First I dont see how this breaks tiering, unless you are implying anyone scales to prime soul king. That is not being argued here, nor is it reflective of he is scaled on his page.
Second
He uses the exact kanji for the schrift
That directly translates to “Yhwach no longer has the power of ‘The Almighty’!”
Uryu is using a play on words
He’s reading the hiragana for the schrift instead of the furigana
The reason “omnipotence and omniscience” refer to The Almighty in this specific case is because it’s spelled the exact same as the schrift
This isn’t the case for CFYOW
The quotes around the kanji make it even more obvious that in this specific case he’s referring to the schrift
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He uses the exact kanji for the schrift
That directly translates to “Yhwach no longer has the power of ‘The Almighty’!”
Uryu is using a play on words
He’s reading the hiragana for the schrift instead of the furigana
The reason “omnipotence and omniscience” refer to The Almighty in this specific case is because it’s spelled the exact same as the schrift
This isn’t the case for CFYOW
The quotes around the kanji make it even more obvious that in this specific case he’s referring to the schrift
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Quick thing, wasn't Yhwach going to destroy everything with his soul crush?
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@Cyberblader90 see my last post. I posted the raw and Uryu pretty much says "The Almighty".
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What?
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And for the upteenth time sigurd, I don't give a shit about what the translation's literal wording says.
What I care about is the context. And Uryu obviously meant both are the same by bringing it up in the first place.
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That‘s enough to debunk, Drop it Kukui.
It even support further more the most correct interpretation, there is no doubt about that.
As per OP, the novel adopt an entire Different kanji which is not referred to All-seeing But “His great power”.
You are grasping to nothing, its obvious.
“Almighty power“ in this case, is intended as great power; the context in that case, is that his power was so great (omnipotent) to create the universe not that he was using The Almighty to create it, which is the ability, just the fact that he has a power so great to create the universe. the kanji for all-seeing is not used.
that is the context, and it is pretty obvious and actually fit the narration since Almighty as an hax never shown anything related to creation, there should not even be the doubt that they were referring to his power itself being great.
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You are correct sigurd
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Bless be the raws, it’s a reference lost in the English translation because in English “The Almighty” in reference to the schrift is not written the same as “omnipotence and omniscience” but in kanji it is
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Lol prove it. right now you have nothing besides headcanon.
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At this point you're stonewalling and being dishonest and INCREDIBLY stubborn.
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Its literally just supposed to be " he lost the almighty", pretty much
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He is asking if he is gonna destroy it via raw energy/power
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"Omniscience isn't mentioned because it has nothing to do with the splitting the world feat" Ok, but that doesn't prove it's referring to the Almighty.
Because it's always referred to as one thing. You have to prove otherwise, speculation isn't enough.
Never proved it. Just said it's likely what happened with confidence.
A not-fully-powered Yhwach that became full power with the Almighty omegalul
Doesn't prove anything
Doesn't prove anything
Omniscience also has nothing to do with Uryu and them being able to kill him while it's down, because he's incapacitated. He can't do anything. Your point falls apart, yet again.
It's called Omnipotence AND Omniscience. Boom. Done.
Why would it matter if Yhwach was ASLEEP and couldn't fight back though? Why would he mention that?
Why would Omniscience be important when it comes to killing a sleeping Yhwach? His Omniscience doesn't matter if he can't fight. Why did Uryu mention it?
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Or you guys can learn what context means and stop treating translations as a bigger priority over the meaning of the words.
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Ah ok
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Funny cause you're the one who doesn't understand like at all lol.
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I literally showed your context is wrong. It was lost in translation, a classic viz screw up
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Original txt and their meaning >>> your headcanon
(Not to mention ur context is also wrong)
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You mean the meaning you're fabricating?
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It didn't say omnipotent, it used the exact kanji for the ability,. your argument has no basis.
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Or you can stop twisting stuff to favor you. Because once again. Does Ichigo have the Almighty Now?? ??
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Thanks to Cyber and Sigurd's translations I think the only "counter-argument" has been debunked.
R.I.P Hax Based Universal Power.
R.I.P Hax Based Universal Power.
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Isn't Soul King the only person that scales?
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anyway, summary of posts I already did that havent been addressed:
Prime reio was called stated to have used his almighty power as a lynchpin. The claim was that means after he was cut up, but the comsology split happened before he was chopped up. Furthermore he can still contextually be a lynchpin, stabilizing hueco mundo which he created pre split
repost of my response to kukui regarding yhwach's merge attempt and how it can be almighty based:
Prime reio was called stated to have used his almighty power as a lynchpin. The claim was that means after he was cut up, but the comsology split happened before he was chopped up. Furthermore he can still contextually be a lynchpin, stabilizing hueco mundo which he created pre split
repost of my response to kukui regarding yhwach's merge attempt and how it can be almighty based:
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This thread is only for SK as of now soooo
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thats literally what is being argued, nothing more
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No, the Soul King just did it casually. We just see that Yhwach was gonna undo what he did and that Ichigo in the Novel is hyped to being able to do the same. Although in the context of the thread, yes. It's not whether he scales or not. Its wording being argued
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only prime soul king's key is being boosted by this crt, and yhwach loses universal hax
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Which returns us to the manga scan of it and omnipotence being treated the same.
And I did. Your only point against it was omniscience not being mentioned, and that was easily explainable for it has nothing to do with the splitting feat.
See above.
The almighty didn't amp him. He restored his strength to then USE it.
It does.
It doesnt. It has everything to do with them when they are trying to kill him, which became an oportunity because he had neither ability.
And its still called Omnipotent. End of story right there.
Because Yhwach had neither power. Jugram had them both. With both of those powers, Yhwach was forseen as invicible and was no longer that because he momentarily lost them.
See above.
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