The 1st Hokage of the leaf village vs a Butterfly...yep, were doing this.

[AquaWaifu]

Guys...are we forgetting Butterfree can mess with Hashirama with statuses and emphatetic manip.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Quagsire Thousand Arrows hits flying enemies though

 

[Landon_Avery]

Does not answer my question, Pokemon do fight each other constantly yeah, but that does not make 3 Stage Evolution pokemon equal to other 3 Stage Evolution Pokemon, especially since both Aggron (often depicted as at least an equal to Tyranitar albeit slightly weaker) and Butterfree are both 3 Stage evolution

Look, there's a thread some that explains it better then I can. I don't know where it is because it's been so long. All I know is that a freaking butterfly is on the level of power as the 1st hokage, so I made this thread. Now can we please get back on topic?

 

[QuagsireTheLegend]

Alright let me run this back, you made the comment arguing that butterfree was immune to ground projectiles AND you put Thousand Arrows on that list, you just edited it out

No big deal, was just correcting

 

[LordAizenSama]

Hashirama can resist status affects . He can stand within his flower tree world just fine and be unaffected. Also he has strong resistances to poison

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

No aqua .

Just pointing out why ground "immunity" would be bullshit .

Also wondering why a consistently portrayed trash mon scales to Charizard, aggron, alajhazam, machamp, gyrados, the big boys basically .

 

[Landon_Avery]

No aqua .
Just pointing out why ground "immunity" would be bullshit .

Also wondering why a consistently portrayed trash mon scales to Charizard, aggron, alajhazam, machamp, gyrados, the big boys basically .

Can't anyone please find the tread that explains this so we can get back on topic?!

 

[WeeklyBattles]

These two are where it was dicussed

 

[Landon_Avery]

Thank you.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

No aqua .

Just pointing out why ground "immunity" would be bullshit .

Also wondering why a consistently portrayed trash mon scales to Charizard, aggron, alajhazam, machamp, gyrados, the big boys basically .

Because Butterfree=Beedrill, who can withstand the energy of Mega Evolution.

My only contribution to this thread though.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Explains? Nah very well aware of that thread.

But still bullshit . Basically taking something that would apply to "most" And going literal with that. Yeah all starters are comparable, legends would be in the same ballpark, pseudo legends are all comparable, but all stage 3 mons ? Butterfree, something consustently used early game by trainers , that fights basic pokemon in the manga and anime would get gigastomped outside of gameplay by say gengar or magnezone.

But already derailing, at least not ny fault this time though .

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Mega beedrill being tier 6 I'm fine with.

Baby tuer trash mon base fodder beedrill though?

 

[QuagsireTheLegend]

Minor question what exactly makes Butterfree = Beedrill if the one thing that separates it from other weak Bug pokemon is exactly his ability to withstand Mega Evolution?

 

[Amexim]

It's inconsistent with what Earth Manip immunity means for Butterfree-- it's weak to Rock type. So...

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Obviously every Beedrill ain't High 6-C. It's literally exclusive to the cream of the crop.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Outside of Giovanni with one ultra badass beedrill. Beedrill usually gets taken out by fodder or middle dragged Pokemon in manga and anime .

Occasionally in the hundreds .

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

But only one beedrill ever is that high, no butterfree in existence is .

 

[Landon_Avery]

But only one beedrill ever is that high, no butterfree in existence is .

Will you please just go with it so we can get back on topic and move on?

 

[LordAizenSama]

Hashirama uses fly spray or a bug catching net to seal butterfree.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Well, I could but clearly not the only who thinks it is blatantly wrong. But aizen and quagsire apparebtly agree .

Of course that is crt material . But voting hashiramathen .

 

[Landon_Avery]

Hashirama uses fly spray or a bug catching net to seal butterfree.

...............................................................................................Good night.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Well technically aizen is not wrong .

Both work well actually . Max repels man .

 

[Phoenix821]

Repel only work if the wild pokemon are lower level though, and these two are on the same level

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Tell that to lillie .

 

[LordAizenSama]

Seriously though @Cal you need to get rid of that earth immunity from butterfrees profile (and i assume every flying types profiles) so people who don't follow the series don't become more confused

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Actually, in hindsight, J-Man might be right

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Aizen. Probably would be best, yes.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Honestly just specifying how the immunity works would be enough . Flight .

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

>cal saying I'm right .

Wha? Was prepping for the 5 billion year long keyboard warrior battle .

 

[LordAizenSama]

Ofc Cal is a reasonable person. He is my successor for pokeman xpert

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

>poke[man] .

Omae wo mo shindeiru .

 

[Landon_Avery]

bump

 

[Landon_Avery]

Bump

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Hashirama for Reasons above.

 

[Landon_Avery]

Hashirama for Reasons above.

What reasons? Everyones been arguing about Butterfree's immuity to Earth Manipulation the whole time.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

@Labdon

The reasons LA pointed out. The non-joke ones.

 

[LordAizenSama]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[Rocker1189]

yeah going with Hashirama for LordAizenSama's reasons.

 

[Landon_Avery]

@TheFinalOrder

@Rocker1189

Hashirama can resist status affects . He can stand within his flower tree world just fine and be unaffected. Also he has strong resistances to Poison

You maen this?

 

[Rocker1189]

yeah