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Pokemon revisions (again)

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Sorry, guys. Good news is that this'll be the last one in a while. It's just that in order to start the trainer revisions, we have to get down the basic Pokemon altogether.

For starters, we should begin with 1st Form Pokemon. Given that they're about to be downgraded, as Magikarp's durability feat was debunked, but that doesn't really change much, as they'd still be scaled to the skyscraper shattering Rhyhorn. And even then, Buneary has a better feat than wall level. And their speed should be upgraded, as Magnemite and Pikachu fire true lightning. Even Cleffa has feats of reacting to meteors, and has a durability feat of 8-B via surviving the crash.

Second form Pokemon, and by that I mean the middle stage, would be Large Town level, via scaling to Seismic Toss. Problem is, if we scale their AP to it, we have to logically scale their speed to it as well.

Final Form Pokemon, and by that I mean Pokemon that can't evolve any further, need to be upgraded as well. Firstly, it was likely not smart of me to separate between 3rd form fully evolved Pokemon and 2 form fully evolved Pokemon. There's no real difference between say, Marowak and Vileplume. The tiering would just be a bigger gap and skip the tierings for the stage in the middle. But onto the more important matter. They have tier 6 feats, ranging from island to large island. Mostly storm calcs that I asked Dark to calc, and there's the Deliberd calc and the manga false-Kyogre destruction calc and a handful of others. Plus, the absurdly casual Defog, which was well into 7-A and doesn't even do damage.

This one might be a stretch, and I'll drop it immediately if you say, but Mega Pokemon. They have consistently been shown to be somewhat comparable to Legendaries, albeit we should scale them to the weaker ones if anything. For one, Mega Charizard has been shown to be stronger than both, Articuno and Mewtwo. And has been shown to take hits from the Primals and a false Zygarde (who was trouble for the real deal), along with Ash-Greninja (who's basically a Mega) for the last one, and Mega Metagross for the Primals. Even in the games, they have higher BST than most Legendaries. I think I might be forgetting some though...

Legendaries in general. This one might be a reach as well, but Articuno was able to hurt Mewtwo enough with a Blizzard to get it to use Recover. It got one-shotted right afterwards, but still, wouldn't that make the Birds, and therefore most Legendaries, a fraction of Mewtwo? Like, mid to high Low 5-B?

Finally, there may or may not be evidence of Solar Beam being real sunlight, and I remember getting support on that before, but that's not a priority right now.

I'll get more detailed as time goes by, because this needed to be rushed. So I'm sorry for the abruptness.
 
I agree with most things sans to the Sol Pokémon scaling, second stages being scaled to third stages and every leggendary/mega pokémon being 5-B.
 
"Even Cleffa has feats of reacting to meteors, and has a durability feat of 8-B via surviving the crash." I love this.

I want my MHS+ 8-B cleffa.


Summarizing:

Tier 6 final evolution pokemon.

Tier Low 5-B Legendaries.

Tier 8 Babies.

And everyone and their mother is MHS+
 
Low 5-B scaling is too much of a reach, unless they're consistently portrayed to be in that tier there is no reason to scale from a stomp match.
 
AguilaR101 said:
Low 5-B scaling is too much of a reach, unless they're consistently portrayed to be in that tier there is no reason to scale from a stomp match.
I mean, consistency in Pokemon isnt a thing since ever.
 
That's not an argument, we might as well entertain the idea of every pokemon being 2-C scaled from D/P/Pt trainer.
 
AguilaR101 said:
That's not an argument, we might as well entertain the idea of every pokemon being 2-C scaled from D/P/Pt trainer.
Nice bait, tho.
 
I'm okay with everything for the most part except the Low 5-B scaling, seems to rely on scaling cross-media, which shouldn't work. Mewtwo may be Low 5-B in one media but not necessarily the other, thus scaling would be kinda shaky at best.

Speaking of Mewtwo, whatever happened to the tier 2 upgrade?
 
SomebodyData said:
I'm okay with everything for the most part except the Low 5-B scaling, seems to rely on scaling cross-media, which shouldn't work. Mewtwo may be Low 5-B in one media but not necessarily the other, thus scaling would be kinda shaky at best.
We kinda had this exact discussion with Darkrai though and we agreed cross-scaling was fine.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
We kinda had this exact discussion with Darkrai though and we agreed cross-scaling was fine.
Because Darkrai has showed more tier 2 stuff than 6, Articuno has been mostly portrayed at his current tier.
 
Oh I wasn't talking about specifically Articuno I was addressing Somebody because it looked like he didn't agree with the crossscaling in general like we do.
 
Nah, I don't think we accepted cross-composite scaling, that would be rather outrageous.
 
SomebodyData said:
Nah, I don't think we accepted cross-composite scaling, that would be rather outrageous.
It's what Howard did through, it happened. He scaled Manga Mega Rayquaza to some leggendaries.
 
I thought he was scaling to their SMD versions which scaled to the composites?
 
I mean the assumption that they scaled to their SMD versions, which therefore scaled to the composites.
 
I'm still against it, only thing confirmed is the anime and games being parallel universes and why scale , say adventure Mewtwo to 5-B when he happens to bd consistently portrayed at a different tier? Or the regi who are 6-B in the manga but far less consistently in the anime.
 
Well one opinion isnt gonna really change anything. So either make a new thread about that or drop it.

Tho if you make a new thread it should wait until tomorrow because of, well, thanksgiving. And with that we cant exactly have huge revisions like this when everyonea out celebrating.
 
AguilaR101 said:
Composite pokemon profiles are a mess.
The interview said that every universe is similar, but it seems was shown to be contraddicted in certain moments.
 
Legitimately, I'm sorry if this offends you, and I hope we could still be friends, but shut up about the cross-scaling. You bring this up way too often, and push it way too much. It's what it is, and it was what we decided to be a short while ago. You want it different, and I understand. But you lost, got outvoted, a different decision was made, whatever. Get over it. Do you see me still complaining about the Sonic profiles like this? The non-canon Dragon Ball profiles? The Digimon profiles? Let it go and deal.
 
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