The 16 Daedric Princes and The 9 Divines vs God Flowey & Chara & God Asriel

Kevenkiller · Dec 17, 2015

Squid_peanut · Dec 17, 2015

could you link the characters' pages/ add topics so people can see the stats of everyone

Kevenkiller · Dec 17, 2015

Ok I will do that

Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot · Dec 18, 2015

R1: I'm tempted to say multiple 2-B princes should be too much for Chara, given we don't know the kid's limit, though having the princes outside their realms may allow Chara to win if they just destroy existence from the get-go. Not sure.

R2: Probably going with the princes.

R3: Flowey. The 2-C princes get blown away almost immediately, and the 2-B princes are at best going to do chip damage, similar to Frisk.

R4: All the divines but Akatosh and maybe Talos don't matter. As for Flowey vs Akatosh, I'm honestly not sure, on this one.

R5: Asriel solos.

R6: Asriel solos.

Pikachu942 · Dec 18, 2015

R1: Could go either way, I'd say due to numbers the Princes have a slight advantage BUT Chara's feat was extremely casual. Inconclusive IMO.

R2: Princes should have it due to being in their realm, though I think Chara still stands a small chance the Princes definitely have an advantage.

R3: Flowey solos them with ease, low difficulty, none of them can do enough significant damage to him to beat him before he kills them all or save-scums.

R4: I'd say the Divines win with VERY high difficulty, mostly because Akatosh is awesome. I could see Flowey winning though.

R5 & R6: Asriel stomps all of them with little issue. Honestly even base Asriel would win with utter ease due to being infinitely more powerful than Flowey, I can't see how the Divines even lay a scratch on him. Chara & Flowey are not needed in the final round.

Kevenkiller · Dec 18, 2015

Wow the Undertale character are really something I will do some change for round 6.

Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot · Dec 18, 2015

Kevenkiller said:
Wow the Undertale character are really something I will do some change for round 6.

Well, mainly just the god tiers. Everyone else is usually either somewhere within tier 7 or unknown, but yeah, the god tiers are tough.

Kevenkiller · Dec 18, 2015

Can they still win round 6 even if I have add the father of Akatosh on the team ?

Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot · Dec 18, 2015

Anui-El? Nah, he should be able to stop them unless we assume Asriel's full power transformation raised his powers another level of infinity (due to already being infinite from a 5-D standpoint), which would put them on the same level.

Kevenkiller · Dec 18, 2015

I will note that. I wanted to make a thread about how many Daedric Princes Frisk can become friend with can I make that thread ? And if I can where should I put it General Disscusion or Vs Threads ?

Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot · Dec 18, 2015

I suppose general discussion, maybe? Unless it's portrayed exactly as a vs thread.

Kevenkiller · Dec 18, 2015

Well Frisk would not fight he/she will try to make them its friend but the Daedra can attack but im pretty sure the Daedra in general are not extremly agressive except Mehrunes Dagon so it will be like 90 % talking

Phantasys · Dec 27, 2015

Talos Solos via CHIM, that shit puts you on par with the Godhead.

Aurasuke · Feb 7, 2016

Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
R1: I'm tempted to say multiple 2-B princes should be too much for Chara, given we don't know the kid's limit, though having the princes outside their realms may allow Chara to win if they just destroy existence from the get-go. Not sure.
R2: Probably going with the princes.

R3: Flowey. The 2-C princes get blown away almost immediately, and the 2-B princes are at best going to do chip damage, similar to Frisk.

R4: All the divines but Akatosh and maybe Talos don't matter. As for Flowey vs Akatosh, I'm honestly not sure, on this one.

R5: Asriel solos.

R6: Asriel solos.

Considering the tiers probably?

But apparently the Dark Brotherhood God solos all of them lol

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sithis

Hail Sithis! Why does he even care that we worship him in the Dark brotherhood route?

Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot · Feb 7, 2016

Because Sithis is just straight gangsta, like that.

Aurasuke · Feb 7, 2016

Lol wish they made an optional boss battle in skyrim to fight all divines, would be a fun battle, the excuse could be the same as when talos became a god, like dragonborn becomes god DLC or something lol

Kevenkiller · Feb 8, 2016

You can be a god in Skyrim with mods if you want.

Aurasuke · Feb 8, 2016

yeah sure probably, but it isn't cannon, I mean you can be considered omnipotent in skyrim but it still won't be cannon.

Kevenkiller · Feb 8, 2016

The Champion of Cyrodiil is a Daedra and I feel really sad for him, and if I could choose if I could become the champion of Cyrodiil or the last dragonborn I would prefer to be the last dragonborn even if im not a god at least im happy.

I don't know if you understand what I mean english is not my first language.

Aurasuke · Feb 8, 2016

You mean a daedric prince sheogorath was it?

Kevenkiller · Feb 8, 2016

Yes he became a god ( Daedra ) but he also got insane also outside of Mundus his power are not that great probably Country or Continent Level maybe a bit stronger but im not sure.

Aurasuke · Feb 8, 2016

^ Apparently 2-B actually lol

Kevenkiller · Feb 8, 2016

In Mundus he is 2-B outside of Mundus he is Country or Continent maybe a little bit stronger most of the Daedra are Continent or Moon level outside of Mundus because then they would take over the world quite easily imagine a 2-B facing the last dragonborn that would be completly unfair and that why they are all limited to have all their powers only in Mundus.

Aurasuke · Feb 8, 2016

Well the he's not out to kill the dragonborn lol, but maybe your correct about mundus thing. I could probably solo sheogorath with mods lol.

Kevenkiller · Feb 8, 2016

If you make a vs battle with : The last dragonborn with mod vs Sheogorath the fight take place in Dawnstar well Sheogorath will most likely lose the fight but if the fight take place in Oblivion/Mundus then the last dragonborn will lose exept if you have some 2-A mods.

Aurasuke · Feb 8, 2016

lol games are a product of fiction and the mind. computers are but a device that allows us to play games. if we fight sheogorath in game, there's no reason why we'd lose if we use console commands or something of that sort.

Console commands pretty much allow you to be god in skyrim.

Kevenkiller · Feb 8, 2016

Im not talking about the player im talking about the character. The Last Dragonborn cannot use console commands in a vs battle

Mister_Death · Feb 23, 2016

Doesn't chim make you as powerful as the god head? If so, doesn't talos solo pretty much everyone on the list here?

Sheoth · Feb 23, 2016

Mister Death said:
Doesn't chim make you as powerful as the god head? If so, doesn't talos solo pretty much everyone on the list here?

Well, not quite as powerful as the God Head, but certainly high up there. The next step is above CHIM is becoming an Amaranth, which allows one to create their own multiverse (like the Aurbis), but no Amaranth has ever ascended to the level of the God Head (as far as I know), who can create an endless number of Amaranth's.

Mister_Death · Feb 23, 2016

Sheoth said:
Mister Death said:

Doesn't chim make you as powerful as the god head? If so, doesn't talos solo pretty much everyone on the list here?

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Well, not quite as powerful as the God Head, but certainly high up there. The next step is above CHIM is becoming an Amaranth, which allows one to create their own multiverse (like the Aurbis), but no Amaranth has ever ascended to the level of the God Head (as far as I know), who can create an endless number of Amaranth's.

Is team undertale higher than 2-A? because a good number of princes are on the 2-A Level, Sheogorath being probably the strongest(or jyggalag if you prefer) And I've skimmed through and it seems people think team undertale wins. I need some details

EDIT: on the topic of chim, even if it doesnt put you on the god heads level, doesnt that make you considerably stronger than even some of tier 1C-B? The only reason I hear that CHIMers can't do too much is too avoid waking the godhead? or something along those lines

Sheoth · Feb 23, 2016

Mister Death said:
Is team undertale higher than 2-A? because a good number of princes are on the 2-A Level, Sheogorath being probably the strongest(or jyggalag if you prefer) And I've skimmed through and it seems people think team undertale wins. I need some details

EDIT: on the topic of chim, even if it doesnt put you on the god heads level, doesnt that make you considerably stronger than even some of tier 1C-B? The only reason I hear that CHIMers can't do too much is too avoid waking the godhead? or something along those lines

Asriel is At least 2-A, but I'm not sure about the other Undertale characters though. The Daedric Princes are just now being upgraded to 2-A, so everyone's input here is before the upgrades happened.

CHIM basically puts you above everyone who is not an Amaranth. Vivec was able to Roflstomp Azura when he achieved CHIM as an example of how powerful one becomes. It's true that CHIM users are not supposed to cause any drastic changes to the Aurbis because it risks waking the God Head, which would in turn, kill them.

Mister_Death · Feb 23, 2016

^ Should'nt talos' tier be higher then? CHIMers are clearly not bound by anything in the TESVerse except for the GodHead itself, would'nt that make them essentially a nigh omni?

And whats going to happen to this fight now that the princes are higher tiered?

Sheoth · Feb 23, 2016

I will revise Talos' tier as well. And we can't really give them a proper rating since we don't actually know the power of the God Head itself.

As for the fight, well I will leave that up to you guys.

Mister_Death · Feb 23, 2016

^ Isnt the godhead basically an azathoth?

Sheoth · Feb 23, 2016

Mister Death said:
^ Isnt the godhead basically an azathoth?

If my memory is correct, the God Head was once listed as Tier 0, but we have since then become much stricter on what can be branded Tier 0. Also, there is not enough evidence to prove that The Elder Scrolls verse consists of Infinite Dimensions or has beings beyond the concept of dimensions.

But other than that, he is kind of the same concept as Azathoth.

Mister_Death · Feb 24, 2016

^
Doesn't the God Head exist beyond every concept? Isn't the concept of dimensions something below even Anu? Who is a subgradient of the godhead?

Sheoth · Feb 25, 2016

Doesn't the God Head exist beyond every concept? Isn't the concept of dimensions something below even Anu? Who is a subgradient of the godhead?

I don't think that was ever stated in any of the lore. If you can find me something that says that though, then that would be great.

Mister_Death · Feb 25, 2016

Sheoth said:
Doesn't the God Head exist beyond every concept? Isn't the concept of dimensions something below even Anu? Who is a subgradient of the godhead?

I don't think that was ever stated in any of the lore. If you can find me something that says that though, then that would be great.
I mean its not in the lore.. but doesn't it make sense for those things to only be a part of its dream? I just assumed it existed beyond every concept because concepts were created by its mind right? Anu is the Amaranth who dreamed up all of reality(aurbis and its inner dimensions) , who is a mere gradient of the godhead,while The Godhead itself dream up everything that will and wont exist?

Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot · Feb 26, 2016

Mister Death said:
I mean its not in the lore.. but doesn't it make sense for those things to only be a part of its dream? I just assumed it existed beyond every concept because concepts were created by its mind right? Anu is the Amaranth who dreamed up all of reality(aurbis and its inner dimensions) , who is a mere gradient of the godhead,while The Godhead itself dream up everything that will and wont exist?

Going solely by that, a massive percent of fiction would be 1-A when they really aren't. For example, if a fiction's reality is composed of an 11-D multiverse, being beyond everything that is and isn't in that reality is still "only" Low 1-B.

The reason entities like Azathoth are listed as that high is because they're explicitly that far beyond beings who view infinite dimensional structures as nothing but things they can freely alter.

Sheoth · Feb 26, 2016

Believe me, I would love 1-A+ elderscrolls, but as Azathoth said, we can't just assume his dream is comprised of infinite dimensional space.

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