Scottycj256
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goddamnit why am I right, I was only joking
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THAT SCP Revision (Yes, it's High 1-A)
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Scottycj256
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BASED
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Stop trolling please.
Lou_change
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Guys calm down this is a big change for a horribly inconsistent verse that we literally are picking and choosing what we accept based on the illusion there is a majority on most of the topics we index for the verse hell I wouldn't be surprised if DT is still reading scp-5800 and some other articles to build a opinion based on as much information as he can find. Why don't we take a step back who gets the new plot hax for protagonist.
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Well
I waited for 5 years to reach to this point.
So i think i can wait for few days
Dont know about the other Boys tho
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Anyway, it seems like I messed up early on, by not thinking through how I worded things due to rushing between different tasks, and making it seem like everybody else should automatically adapt to DontTalk's wishes, rather than just wait for and try to collaborate with him, as a safety measure. That was a serious mistake, so my apologies about that.
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Its fine
Just word it better next time
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I agreeee
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updates on DontTalk? Is he still even participating in this thread?
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I just woke up. This was not the response I was expecting.
I understand I could have come off as rushing things, the truth is that waiting on the opinion of a single user while an entire team's worth of points were left unanswered seemed disingenuous. I don't doubt DT's capability or his knowledge on SCP since he has responded to SCP threads in the past, but this revision is a culmination of an entire team's contribution worth of knowledge after reading dozens of articles and tales. To say this is peer reviewed is putting it lightly. If DT was taking the time to read and get an understanding of the points, the least he could do was let us know that he needed time. I don't mind this thread stretching out for about a week if it meant there was active discussion. But as it stood the thread was dead silent waiting for a response.
To summarise, this is a CRT to change one thing that requires prior knowledge on at least dozens of articles to understand. Ultima, a leading expert on tiering and the use of feats to achieve tiering, was actively consulted and approves of the upgrade. We would appreciate it if a basic understanding of the topic at hand was had before engaging in rebuttals.
Rest assured, we would not have made this thread if we were not all unanimous with the decision to upgrade the verse. This is again, a team effort. A move made so that a verse as volatile as SCP does not blow up with misinformation and bad practices.
I understand I could have come off as rushing things, the truth is that waiting on the opinion of a single user while an entire team's worth of points were left unanswered seemed disingenuous. I don't doubt DT's capability or his knowledge on SCP since he has responded to SCP threads in the past, but this revision is a culmination of an entire team's contribution worth of knowledge after reading dozens of articles and tales. To say this is peer reviewed is putting it lightly. If DT was taking the time to read and get an understanding of the points, the least he could do was let us know that he needed time. I don't mind this thread stretching out for about a week if it meant there was active discussion. But as it stood the thread was dead silent waiting for a response.
To summarise, this is a CRT to change one thing that requires prior knowledge on at least dozens of articles to understand. Ultima, a leading expert on tiering and the use of feats to achieve tiering, was actively consulted and approves of the upgrade. We would appreciate it if a basic understanding of the topic at hand was had before engaging in rebuttals.
Rest assured, we would not have made this thread if we were not all unanimous with the decision to upgrade the verse. This is again, a team effort. A move made so that a verse as volatile as SCP does not blow up with misinformation and bad practices.
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Sure, I guess.
Personally I still don't like the idea, but at least an argumentation is there. Since this is widely supported even amongst knowledgable staff, you guys go ahead and apply it.
Just as a general rule of thumb: I try to get to every important CRT (side rulings or very big upgrades) I participate in at least once a day. It's in practice sadly often not possible that I read through all the long and often plentiful replies more often than that and reply to them.
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Oh, ok thanks
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You should probably @ Ultima and whoever else helped with deciding High 1-A
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Yeah, they can go ahead.
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We're well aware, thank you.
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He has shown up and also accepted it.
You all just needed a little patience.
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I was literally just correcting him for thinking DT still hadn't responded.
He deleted his comment though, which might have made it look like I was bringing up old things.
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Ok so the established tiering will be like this:
Low Elder Gods will retain their tiering since they get stomped by War for Creation Scarlet King.
3125 will be Possibly 1-A since we have no idea where in 5800's hierarchy it stands, but we do know it is a significant enough threat to warrant this tier. It is larger than the human Noosphere and far stronger than a bottom feeder that can threaten all of it. (As an aside, Ultima explained that the Alephs only start being 1-A at Aleph-3 and up, so the human Noosphere is likely less than 1-A)
WFC SK and The Brothers Death scale above 3125 through the feat of shaking the Noosphere in their battle, and SK being unable to be sealed by 3125. All who scale to them will get Possibly 1-A.
Narrative God tiers will get High 1-A for the same reasons they're 1-A now. Where they stand in High 1-A is irrelevant but since people love tiers so much, Swann will be around baseline High 1-A. 2747 at its strongest will be infinite stacks stronger than baseline High 1-A. 3182 will be even higher than that.
Swann's True Authors key will be High 1-A, possibly 0 due to Saikou's reasoning earlier on in the thread. They are the defacto God tiers and see everything that has, has been, and ever will be written, as fiction.
Ultima has something cooking up but I will leave that to him to come out with maybe as a separate thread.
Is everyone ok with the above?
Low Elder Gods will retain their tiering since they get stomped by War for Creation Scarlet King.
3125 will be Possibly 1-A since we have no idea where in 5800's hierarchy it stands, but we do know it is a significant enough threat to warrant this tier. It is larger than the human Noosphere and far stronger than a bottom feeder that can threaten all of it. (As an aside, Ultima explained that the Alephs only start being 1-A at Aleph-3 and up, so the human Noosphere is likely less than 1-A)
WFC SK and The Brothers Death scale above 3125 through the feat of shaking the Noosphere in their battle, and SK being unable to be sealed by 3125. All who scale to them will get Possibly 1-A.
Narrative God tiers will get High 1-A for the same reasons they're 1-A now. Where they stand in High 1-A is irrelevant but since people love tiers so much, Swann will be around baseline High 1-A. 2747 at its strongest will be infinite stacks stronger than baseline High 1-A. 3182 will be even higher than that.
Swann's True Authors key will be High 1-A, possibly 0 due to Saikou's reasoning earlier on in the thread. They are the defacto God tiers and see everything that has, has been, and ever will be written, as fiction.
Ultima has something cooking up but I will leave that to him to come out with maybe as a separate thread.
Is everyone ok with the above?
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Ai ai captain.
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yeh
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Looks good to me. Now we just need to create the justifications.
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yeah seems fine. Also question, I know that 3812 was previously only ranked at 1-A+ because the wiki members think it was never made clear whether or not he completely transcended the hierarchy. But I always felt like he should've gotten a "possibly High 1-A" ranking next to it. With this translated to his new tier, would you be fine with something like "High 1-A, will eventually become higher, possibly far higher" or "High 1-A, will eventually become higher, possibly 0"? Just asking, not saying there's nothing wrong with what you said.
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Looks pretty good, but I have some questions about the conclusion, like Swerry
1/ The hierarchy of 5800 (not Human Noosphere) is that each entity will have its own aleph number or can multiple entities share the same level/aleph?
2/ And if it's the former then each entity is the very concept of aleph number or simply no one compares them, just e.g. SCP-3125 is the very concept of aleph 4 or simply a Set has cardinality of aleph-4 without representing and/or is the concept itself? I'm quite confused because DarkmAsh says the latter (if I'm not getting it wrong) while in the quote there are many passages that imply they are the concepts/alephs themselves, the same way that aleph numbers are the cardinality of infinite and they also exist in the infinite sets (pretty meaningless if they are sets themselves, instead of their properties) and presented in them as "How many elements" (literal what cardinal is)
3/ Is 3125 baseline in its possibly raiting?
4/ Shouldn't Noospheric/Infospheric entities have a large size type 11? It's extremely clear and self-explanatory
5/ Can acidverse content also be used to support this? iirc, each aleph can contain world which also proves infinite sets and aleph are not pure mathematical abstraction because if so they wouldn't be able to contain any physical thing let alone Whole World (even in a metaphorical/abstract sense)
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would 343 scale to 1A?
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guys if we're going to do a scp revision can we put resistance to disease manipulation for scp-682
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for those who don't want to use the link i found this
Experiment Log T-98816-OC108/682 - SCP Foundation
The SCP Foundation's 'top-secret' archives, declassified for your enjoyment.
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for those who don't want to use the link i found this
Item: SCP-217
Tissue test record: Positive. Tissue was affected by infection and follow typical symptoms.
Termination Test Log: SCP-217 has been pumped into SCP-682's cell via gas pipe. SCP-682's cell has been sealed with a decontamination airlock between him and the researchers. The following log was captured by a camera on the east wall of the containment chamber.
Notes: Alright, even though the infection did not kill SCP-682, I found this test promising. All the infectious SCP's SCP-682 has been exposed to, he is now immune to. I request to do further study on SCP-682 as we might be able to create a vaccine/cure to some incurable diseases or even create our own SCP-500. -Dr Isla Stewart
Tissue test record: Positive. Tissue was affected by infection and follow typical symptoms.
Termination Test Log: SCP-217 has been pumped into SCP-682's cell via gas pipe. SCP-682's cell has been sealed with a decontamination airlock between him and the researchers. The following log was captured by a camera on the east wall of the containment chamber.
Notes: Alright, even though the infection did not kill SCP-682, I found this test promising. All the infectious SCP's SCP-682 has been exposed to, he is now immune to. I request to do further study on SCP-682 as we might be able to create a vaccine/cure to some incurable diseases or even create our own SCP-500. -Dr Isla Stewart
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that also counts as biological manipulation cause scp-217 changes your biology to clockwork stuff after infecting you.
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That was my bad. I only saw that message after posting my own. Hence why I deleted mine
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does anyone agree with the scp-682 resistance to disease and biological manipulation?
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Yeah, that was my bad. But I was kinda just trying to chide people into being more patient, but things have basically been resolved, so it's not necessary now.
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tarang do you agree with the 682 idea i just brought up? just wondering?
Lou_change
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That isn't relevant to this thread go to the verse discussion thread if you want to talk about it please.
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