Tensura is MFTL++. its real

[Shiraito983]

this Calc has been accepted at mid-end
midball: 4.8922734e+16 c (Massively FTL+)

the context here has been long accepted as universe in this crt

Agree: @Jozaysmith? @CodeCCLL @Astral_Trinity439
neutral: @Tempestdragon6 @Mizuki67 @EldemadeDityjon
Disagree:

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Wasn't @SeijiSetto disagreed with the calculation?

 

[Tempestdragon6]

following

 

[Mizuki67]

Wasn't @SeijiSetto disagreed with the calculation?

I don't think he is knowledgeable with this verse but I will be neutral to this.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I don't think he is knowledgeable with this verse but I will be neutral to this

Well @SunDaGamer also not knowledgeable members of the verse.

I'm neutral on this; anyway, I'm just suggesting that you guys should better clarify the doubts they have, that's all.

 

[Shiraito983]

Wasn't @SeijiSetto disagreed with the calculation?

not really he disagreed. he just ask for proof if its a universal which was already accepted in different crt

 

[Jozaysmith?]

looks fine

 

[CodeCCLL]

In the first thread where Tier 2 is accepted, there is enough proof that the "worlds" in the context are space-time continuums on a universal scale, and since 30 seconds is reasonable, this should work.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

looks good to me

 

[Community_Gamer]

Since I was asked, I'll say I'm fairly neutral to this topic. Especially since the arguments haven't really changed. But I don't want to bring into question, the validity of assuming the size of any of dimensions. Why is the calc assuming its the size of the observable universe? That's just something coming to mind

 

[Mizuki67]

Since I was asked, I'll say I'm fairly neutral to this topic. Especially since the arguments haven't really changed. But I don't want to bring into question, the validity of assuming the size of any of dimensions. Why is the calc assuming its the size of the observable universe? That's just something coming to mind

True dragons like Velgrynd already has the power to affect the universe which is only a small portion of her power (Volume 15). So unleashing all their power would actually mean the destruction of worlds which are 4d in size.

You can check here to know what I am talking about

Tensura AP upgrade: for all tops(Read the crt)

Um, my prev reply already explained it. Idk why do you think it inconsistent. God basically what Veldanava before he became a True Dragon. God was the only will, Omnipotent and Omniscience, an absolute perfection, oneness...

vsbattles.com

 

[Shiraito983]

Since I was asked, I'll say I'm fairly neutral to this topic. Especially since the arguments haven't really changed. But I don't want to bring into question, the validity of assuming the size of any of dimensions. Why is the calc assuming its the size of the observable universe? That's just something coming to mind

those worlds were universe and there are no direct statements if the world is infinite I had to used the observable universe

 

[Tempestdragon6]

looks good

 

[SeijiSetto]

Wasn't @SeijiSetto disagreed with the calculation?

I just didn't think the passage pointed towards it being universes over being individual planets considering it repeatedly refers to civilizations, says there are other worlds in alternate dimensions (which wouldn't make sense if a world was a universe, a universe in an alternate universe is a bit odd), says "physical worlds in vast spiritual realms"...

I would also ask @SunDaGamer for clarification on whether he's actually accepted it or not as his "approval" was essentially conditional on whether they were universes or not, and he didn't reply after that, so.

 

[Shiraito983]

I just didn't think the passage pointed towards it being universes over being individual planets considering it repeatedly refers to civilizations, says there are other worlds in alternate dimensions (which wouldn't make sense if a world was a universe, a universe in an alternate universe is a bit odd), says "physical worlds in vast spiritual realms"...

I would also ask @SunDaGamer for clarification on whether he's actually accepted it or not as his "approval" was essentially conditional on whether they were universes or not, and he didn't reply after that, so.

lets wait for elizhaa input

 

[Mizuki67]

True dragons like Velgrynd already has the power to affect the universe (Volume 15). So unleashing all their power would actually mean the destruction of worlds which are 4d in size.

You can check here to know what I am talking about

Tensura AP upgrade: for all tops(Read the crt)

Um, my prev reply already explained it. Idk why do you think it inconsistent. God basically what Veldanava before he became a True Dragon. God was the only will, Omnipotent and Omniscience, an absolute perfection, oneness...

vsbattles.com

. Please read this

 

[Jozaysmith?]

I just didn't think the passage pointed towards it being universes over being individual planets considering it repeatedly refers to civilizations, says there are other worlds in alternate dimensions (which wouldn't make sense if a world was a universe, a universe in an alternate universe is a bit odd), says "physical worlds in vast spiritual realms"...

Idc about the thread but the misunderstanding about verse cosmology is classified and noted here

 

[Jozaysmith?]

And the MFTL+ is pointless since the power goes across time, which implies it to be AP
Destroying doesn't always necessarily comes in with speed just attack power
They are people who destroys space time continuums yet not rated to be immeasurable speed, why?, because DC have nothing to do with speed
Same logic as this thread "true dragosn destroys worlds" whether its planet or universe doesn't make it a speed rating

 

[Mizuki67]

And the MFTL+ is pointless since the power goes across time, which implies it to be AP
Destroying doesn't always necessarily comes in with speed just attack power
They are people who destroys space time continuums yet not rated to be immeasurable speed, why?, because DC have nothing to do with speed
Same logic as this thread "true dragosn destroys worlds" whether its planet or universe doesn't make it a speed rating

This is the reason why I am neutral to this. I don't think an attack reaching through other universes would count for mftl+

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

For the calc debate, there seems to be a divide; however, based on what Elizhaa said world would mean universe. "Parallel worlds" is also commonly used for parallel universes given that it's pretty rare for planets to be "Parallel" per say.

 

[CodeCCLL]

And the MFTL+ is pointless since the power goes across time, which implies it to be AP
Destroying doesn't always necessarily comes in with speed just attack power
They are people who destroys space time continuums yet not rated to be immeasurable speed, why?, because DC have nothing to do with speed
Same logic as this thread "true dragosn destroys worlds" whether its planet or universe doesn't make it a speed rating

The attack in question here has a starting point (Velgrynd), so its speed can be calculated by the distance the attack travels per unit time, but if the attack had no starting point and the destruction of the universe occurred at every point within the character's range, its speed could not be calculate because the attack would affected every point at the same time. As for the destruction of the space-time continuum, if there was proof that the attack traveled across the space-time continuum, this would be immeasurable speed, but since there is no proof that the attack traveled across the space-time continuum, we assume that the range of the attack was such that it would affect every point in the space-time continuum.

 

[Jozaysmith?]

The attack in question here has a starting point (Velgrynd), so its speed can be calculated by the distance the attack travels per unit time, but if the attack had no starting point and the destruction of the universe occurred at every point within the character's range, its speed could not be calculate because the attack would affected every point at the same time. As for the destruction of the space-time continuum, if there was proof that the attack traveled across the space-time continuum, this would be immeasurable speed, but since there is no proof that the attack traveled across the space-time continuum, we assume that the range of the attack was such that it would affect every point in the space-time continuum.

They just said worlds can be destroyed by true dragons, and volume 15 mentioned how she destroyed a timeline

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I was asked to give this thread a temporary close for now, but can reopen when ready.