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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 6

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@Elizhaa But i thought you were discussing the wn? Why are you mentioning the ln?

Yea souei and co are high rank magic borns in the ln, but not sure what that has to do with what you were originally posting about high ranks being able to level towns and what not.

Stick to 1 version of the story at a time, otherwise it gets confusing.
 
In LN version Soei later (as in LN vol. 4) scales to Shion who is equal in strength to the Three Beastketeers ("Sub-Demon Lord Class") who are stronger than Ifrit, anyway. Benimaru is even stated to be stronger than them. Meanwhile Rimuru (at the time of LN vol. 3) is estimated to be full-fledged "Demon Lord Class" upon their first meeting by Milim.

Also a reminder:

  • Lesser Demon: B-Rank (used for B-Rank examination)
  • Greater Demon: A-Minus-Rank
    • That's according to Rimuru when he is about to summon Beretta, which seems a bit strange since Veldora's Diary explicitly talks about Ifrit "transcending Greater Demons", essentially comparing A-Minus-Rank with Special A-Rank, when comparing with a regular A-Rank would be better. Though maybe that's just the "baseline" and Veldora has simply higher standards for Demons than the standards that Rimuru probably picked up from his time at Free Guild HQ. Spirits and Demons of the same "type" probably have varying strengths.
  • Fuze: A-Minus-Rank
  • Knight Spider: A-Minus-Rank
    • Can withstand all attacks from both Fuze and Youm's group, but would have been solo'd by Fuze in his prime
  • Youm: Somewhere Between B and A-Minus-Rank
  • Youm (with Tempest equipment): A-Minus-Rank
  • Youm (after training and several months of combat experience against monsters): A-Rank
  • Pegasus: A-Minus-Rank
  • Unmounted Pegasus Knight: A-Minus-Rank
  • Mounted Pegasus Knight: A-Rank
Can we perhaps use the Pegasus Knights as a base maresurement to grade "A-Minus" strength? Just from teaming up, two A-Minus-Ranks can reach A-Rank. Now we'd only need to estimate how much "synergical effects" are involved and we should be able to give it a tier, right? Or rather, wouldn't it just be safe to say that their strength probably doesn't change by more than 10 times and just deem them as 8-A?
 
The relevant passage from the LN:


Thought Communication wasn't enough to broadcast a message to an entire city. We needed to ring a special alarm bell to make everyone gather at the public square. I ran down the situation with the ogre mages, then turned my attention to the sky, turning my Magic Sense all the way up.

It let me detect something coming from the Dwarven Kingdom. A force of around a thousand. None ranked an A alone—or I should say, an A as a rider and mount alone— Wait, they had knights on flying horses?! It had to be a well-trained force, whoever they are.

Understood. Using Analyze and Assess, I have determined the knights' rank to be A-minus. Their flying mounts are also appraised at A-minus. However, their minds are synchronized to the point where one could treat each one as a single creature, ranked perhaps slightly higher than A.

Right. So we're talking five hundred mounted, flying knights—A-ranked cavalry, as the Great Sage put it. Even with all our forces pooled together, we couldn't hack this one.

Gauging each mounted knight by itself, they seemed weaker than Gabil when he had just attained A rank. Let three of them surround that dragonewt, though, and I doubted he stood a chance. In a way, this was an even greater threat than two hundred thousand orcs at our doorstep.
~ LN vol. 3​
This also means that Gabil scales to about 2-3 times the power of a baseline A-Rank, if we lowball the pegasus knights, that is before Gabiru received any training, of course.

There was another statement that mentions that it would take "a team of pegasus knights" to take care of an Orc Lord, though the exact size isn't elaborated upon.

Anyway, does this mean Gobta can finally get his own LN profile now?
 
@Celestial Pegasus

I made a quick point about the WN as the feats statement is similar to the WN version. At this time, I was too busy to make my other points, so I made my oher points much later ib my break.
 
NeoSuperior, in the Ln version, I don't think the A+ ranks exist like in the WN which the scaling easier. I just figure it out a few hours go. In the LN, I agree it can mean anything espcially with the inclusion of Special A ranks. I will be more careful in the future on that part.
 
"A-Plus" does exist. It's only mentioned once in the LN as far as I am aware and that is when Yuuki mentions Shizu, who is, indeed, an A-Plus adventurer.


How strong she was? Well, strong enough to summon a high-level spirit like Ifrit and become "one" with it. The sheer temperatures involved were brutal. Without Cancel Temperature, I would've been a goner, for sure.

"Well, she wielded Ifrit, a monster who goes past A level, so..."

"Right. At her peak, Miss Shizu could bring Ifrit fully under her control. In terms of the scale I implemented for the guild, she'd be in the upper echelon of what we'd call A-plus, even. She was something special—but Hinata, at the age of fifteen, gained strength that even went beyond that. That should give you some idea of what I'm talking about."
~ LN vol. 4​
 
Oh right, Should I call it "Gobta (Light Novel)", or simply "Gobta", because the Webnovel-counterpart has it transliterated as "Gobuta" instead?
 
Just Gobta should be fine, likewise instead of Gabiru (Light Novel), just Gabiru will be fine for Gabiru's profile when it's made.
 
Ok, that works.

By the way, I think everyone with Shadow Motion should get a "Darkness Manipulation | Shadow Manipulation" entry. Also Souei obviously needs to get "Stealth Mastery".

We know that human adventurers typically learn Arts. Does that mean every strong human should get an "Aura" entry? It was presented a bit confusingly so I am not sure if all Arts involve the use of Aura, or if it's specifically only Battlewill that does so.
 
Darkness manipulation is fine, is is stealth mastery for souei.

Well if it's not confirmed all arts involve aura, we shouldn't add it then.
 
Celestial Pegasus said:
Darkness manipulation is fine, is is stealth mastery for souei.
Well if it's not confirmed all arts involve aura, we shouldn't add it then.
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I agree.
 
In regards to how "common" Aura-based Arts used by Humans are, there are two specifically mentioned. One is the Kabal's "Aura Shield" from LN vol. 1, the other is one mentioned by Fuze in LN vol. 4, which is "Aura Sword". Not sure if that combined with Shizu being an adventurer for several decades is enough to assume that she'd have learned, perhaps even mastered, Arts like these.

And by the way, is it safe to assume that anyone taught by Hakurou learned Battlewill and maybe also Modelwill?
 
Shizue having aura based aura is a reasonable assumption i think.

I think that is a fair assumption that they have battlewill at least. Shion and co have shown they know how to use arts.
 
Seems like DasRay went through with the promise. Guess we'll get LN vol. 6 in the upcoming week as well.
 
shouldn`t LN rimuru have a 6C key.From his profile

Became far stronger after absorbing Geld and Charybdhis to the point he can one shot Special A rank monsters comparable to Geld such as the Sky Dragon

The acepted value for oneshoting someone is 7.5x

The gap between High 7A and 6C is 4.3x
 
NeoSuperior said:
Seems like DasRay went through with the promise. Guess we'll get LN vol. 6 in the upcoming week as well.
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I did not... see that coming . that's awesome!
 
Setsuna tenma said:
shouldn`t LN rimuru have a 6C key.From his profile

Became far stronger after absorbing Geld and Charybdhis to the point he can one shot Special A rank monsters comparable to Geld such as the Sky Dragon

The acepted value for oneshoting someone is 7.5x

The gap between High 7A and 6C is 4.3x
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Shizue in her "White Flame mode" (i.e. full unification with Ifrit) was able to easily kill a Calamity-Class Dragon however it's unclear whether Shizue in White Flame mode is weaker, equal to, or stronger than Ifrit possessing Shizue's body. Also it's unclear whether said Dragon is comparable to the Sky Dragon who is an Arch Dragon. Hard to put your finger on it.

The issue here is that Rimuru was unsure about whether or not Ranga is strong enough to beat a Sky Dragon so they should be about the same level. Ranga seems like a he scales to the main Kijin group, who are around Sub-Demon Lord level like the Three Beastketeers who are stronger than Ifrit. Ifrit and Orc Disaster are both Calamity-Class threats, but Orc Disaster is 2 times stronger than Ifrit. We know Charybdis is much stronger. The manga does confirm that the Sky Dragon is actually comparable to Charybdis (in pure magic power I assume), but it lacks all the hax of Charybdis that made Charybdis as strong as it was like Magic Interference or Ultraspeed Regenerationn. Instead all the Sky Dragon got is a barrier that Rimuru can break through easily, as well as a Lightning attack and Sonic Attack, both not being able to deal any damage against Rimuru's defenses.

But if it's in terms of magical power the Sky Dragon should indeed be comparable to Charybdis and the upper levels of Calamity-Class threat levels, which would indeed be High 7-A.

So you are probably correct that Rimuru who one-shotted it should be 6-C at this point. Hinata would scale to that as well.

I might make a CRT later on for both this as well as the "high level Majin tier" upgrade from Low 7-C to 7-C that Elizhaa brought up earlier.
 
One-Shot rule of "7.5x the power" is only valid for VS threads, not for profile changes. However the feat should still be enough for "At Least High 7-A" level based on the one-shot and the LEtHE ratio only being 4.3x for Large Mountain level.

Also the high-ranking Magic-Born/Majin level upgrade to 7-C.

All in the following CRT:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2938776
 
We'll get both vol. 5 and 6 in a few days. That means Rimuru's second key actually gets something to it. Shuna actually gets to fight herself too for once. That might be her first actual fight ever, including the WN. Adelman also appears for the first time. The Walpurgis scene also goes differently supposedly, like Rimuru letting Clayman do his temporary upgrade on purpose and Rimuru trying to imitate some barrier made by Guy or something. There's a lot of cool stuff appearently. There also seems to be a side-story if you check the vol. 6 ToC posted in the teaser. Can't wait.
 
They're doing translations up to volume 9 or so. I asked him if they intend to also translate volume 8.5 which is the data book and would be pretty damn cool to see done since I'm not 100% sure Yen Press will do it while Volume 9 is guaranteed to be done. Ditto for maybe them picking up the spinoffs.
 
NeoSuperior said:
They already translated the side-stories from 8.5 and 13.5 though.
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No I mean the data book itself. The stories I know about since I'm a member of the Discord group and frequently post and read there. There's a bunch of character bios, world data sheets, battle maps and stats including locations of where on the Tensura world map they took place.

Edit: I have the raws for LN's 1 to 13 for those interested particularly in the stuff from LN 8.5 that I mentioned.
 
Raws would be useful for checking TL mistakes. As long as it's just about numbers or particular key words (escpacially fabricated fantasy words), then it should not be a problem to check them with GoogleTL and Jisho.org, escpacially in regards to looking for differences of the RAWS of WN/LN/manga, like the soul vs spiritual body issue we had earlier.

Ideally in a format that supports search functions though and allows copy&pasting. I prefer .pdf personally.
 
NeoSuperior said:
Thanks for the link. What's the format?
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That will be an issue since a Lot of them if not all of them are jpegs. So outside of knowing Japanese or having a really good image translator, these are a bit of an issue. There are converters though.
 
Well it will hopefully work out somehow. I previously managed to reverse engineer some skill names from the status page RAW illustrations by trying some stuff with googleTL. And one of the things I am curious about is the line about the qualification for A-ranks and whether it's supposed to be "town" or "city". That shouldn't be too difficult.
 
NeoSuperior said:
Well it will hopefully work out somehow. I previously managed to reverse engineer some skill names from the status page RAW illustrations by trying some stuff with googleTL. And one of the things I am curious about is the line about the qualification for A-ranks and whether it's supposed to be "town" or "city". That shouldn't be too difficult.
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Then yeah this is for you. There's a LOT of information about all of the Tensura world bits in there including some explanations on monster tiers and several other factoids. Good luck man.
 
Some interesting aspects from the 8.5 Databook (damn that radical-search via jisho is so damn exhausting...) that I found last night:

Shizue's race:

  • õ║║Úûô [Human] -> þéÄÒü«Ú¡öõ║║ [Majin of Flames/Magic-Born of Flames/Flame-Born/Flame-Elementalist]
Ellen's race:

  • ÞÇ│ÚòÀµùÅ [Long-Eared Tribe]
Diablo's race:

  • µé¬Ú¡öµùÅ [Demon-Spirit Race] / ÒéóÒâ╝Òé»ÒâçÒâ╝ÒâóÒâ│(õ©èõ¢ìÚ¡öÕ░å) [Archdaemon (Superior Demon Commander)] -> ÒâçÒâ╝ÒâóÒâ│Òâ¡Òâ╝Òâë(µé¬Ú¡öÕà¼) [Daemon Lord (Demon-Spirit Noble)]
Diablo's title:

  • ÒâçÒâ╝ÒâóÒâ│Òâ¡Òâ╝Òâë(µé¬Ú¡öÕà¼) [Daemon Lord (Demon-Spirit Noble)]
  • ÒâÄÒâ»Òâ╝Òâ½(ÕăÕêØÒü«Ú╗Æ) [Noir (Primordial of Black)]
Leon's race:

  • ÒâÆÒâÑÒâ╝Òâ×Òâ│(õ║║Úûô) [Human] -> ÒâçÒâóÒâ│ÒâÄÒéñÒâë(õ║║Ú¡öµùÅ) [Demonoid (Human-Demon)]
Leon's title:

  • ÒâùÒâ®ÒâüÒâèÒâáÒé╗ÒéñÒâÉÒâ╝(þÖ¢ÚçæÒü«ÕëúþÄï) [Platinum Saber (Sword King of Platinum/Platinum Sword King)]
  • ÒâùÒâ®ÒâüÒâèÒâçÒâôÒâ½(þÖ¢ÚçæÒü«µé¬Ú¡ö) [Platinum Devil (Platinum Demon-Spirit)]
Guy's race:

  • µé¬Ú¡öµùÅ [Demon-Spirit Race] / ÒéóÒâ╝Òé»ÒâçÒâ╝ÒâóÒâ│(õ©èõ¢ìÚ¡öÕ░å) [Archdaemon (Superior Demon Commander)] -> ÒâçÒâ╝ÒâóÒâ│Òâ¡Òâ╝Òâë(µé¬Ú¡öÕà¼) [Daemon Lord (Demon-Spirit Noble)]
Guy's title:

  • Òâ¡Òâ╝Òâë Òé¬Òâû ÒâÇÒâ╝Òé»ÒâìÒé╣(µÜùÚ╗ÆþÜçÕ©Ø) [Lord of Darkness (Dark Emperor)]
Rimuru's race:

  • Òé╣Òâ®ÒéñÒâá [Slime] -> ÒâçÒâóÒâ│Òé╣Òâ®ÒéñÒâá(Ú¡öþ▓ÿµÇºþ▓¥þÑ×õ¢ô) [Demon Slime (Demonic Viscous Spirit Body)]
Rimuru's title:

  • Ú¡öþë®ÒéÆþÁ▒Òü╣ÒéïÞÇà [Master of Monsters]
  • þ£ƒÒü¬ÒéïÚ¡öþÄï [True Demon Lord]
Rimuru's magic:

  • Õàâþ┤áÚ¡öµ│ò [Elemental Magic]
  • þë®þÉåÚ¡öµ│ò [Physics Magic]
  • þ▓¥Ú£èÚ¡öµ│ò [Spirit Magic]
  • õ©èõ¢ìþ▓¥Ú£èÕżÕûÜ [Greater Spirit Summoning]
  • õ©èõ¢ìµé¬Ú¡öÕżÕûÜ [Greater Demon-Spirit Summoning]
Rimuru's race skills:

  • þäíÚÖÉÕåìþöƒ [Endless Regenerationn]
  • õ©çÞ⢵äƒþƒÑ [Universal Sense/Perception]
  • õ©çÞâ¢ÕñëÕîû [Universal Shapeshift]
  • Ú¡öþÄïÞªçµ░ù [Demon Lord's Aura]
  • Õ╝ÀÕîûÕêåÞ║½ [Enhanced Clone(?)/Incarnation(?)]
  • õ©çÞâ¢þ│╗ [Universal System(?)/Lineage(?)]
Note that my Japanese skills are almost non-existent and most I did here was using GoogleTL and Jisho. Don't expect any of the "choices" in regards to the TL I made here to be the same as the upcoming YenPress and DasRay TLs. Personally, I think "Demon-Spirit" (Akuma/µé¬Ú¡ö) and "Daemon" (Deemo/ÒâçÒâ╝ÒâóÒâ│) are best for the likes of Diablo and Guy, since they are like evil versions of spirits. It also prevents confusion between the terms Demon Lord (Maou/Ú¡öþÄï) and Daemon Lord (Deemon Roudo/ÒâçÒâ╝ÒâóÒâ│Òâ¡Òâ╝Òâë) and other such overlaps that are not a problem in Japanese (with them having kanji+hiragana/katakana double-terms), but quite a problem in English.

Also quite some interesting things get lost in translation it seems. Half of Rimuru's Racial skills as a Demon Slime start off with the Kanji "õ©ç". Guess what, the Kanji means literally the number "10000". Just where have I heard that number before~?
 
NeoSuperior said:
Some interesting aspects from the 8.5 Databook (damn that radical-search via jisho is so damn exhausting...) that I found last night:

Shizue's race:
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I'm glad that the link helped and yeah I really hope they translate the info books(8.5 and 13.5) since Dasray can't do them since they're working off the Chinese raws and not the Japanese ones. Also lol about the "10000" thing in the Kanji.
 
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