Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 6

[Elizhaa]

Yeah I just call them Veldora's Diaries for short and yeah I've been thinking about both of those things for a while. By the way, LN6 confirmed that of the First and Second generation Demon Lords(Guy, Milim, Ramiris/Lamrys, Dagruel, Ruminas/Luminous, Dino), only Dagruel and Ramiris/Lamrys are not "Awakened"
As an aside the reason for the Ramiris/Lamrys and Ruminas/Luminous spelling is due to the various alternate spellings seen in the official translated material and the info books.

Edit: Oh Shit! Benimaru is a Spirit existence similar to a Dryad now ditto for all of the other Oni/Kijin! That and Treyni got a HUGE buff on top of having a vessel body similar to Beretta except made of her old tree. Either way, she was ranked Special S I believe or Disaster Rank. These two books I'm gonna need to read over a good few times to collect all of the info, but everybody got all kind of crazy buffs.

So, is Dagruel nerf since he is 6-A in Wn at fraction of his power and High 4-C at full power?

Disaster Rank is A rank. Special S would be bad plot since she could have handle the Orc Lord witout difficulty.

 

[NeoSuperior]

Some things of interest:

• "Law Manipulation", or here "Control Laws" (someone here already mentioned this before):
  • Control Laws: Black fire and thunder. Magical control. Control of heat quantities and inertia. The ability to freely store and remove heat from the Stomach.
• "Infinite Regenerationn":
  • Rimuru can still regenerate even if he is "shattered" by Milim, whatever that means (probably will have to either check the RAWs or wait for official TL).
• "Lord of Gluttony Belzebuth":
  • Aside from souls it can also consume space itself, appearently.

 

[Doomrider7]

Some things of interest:

I don't think Rimuru got nerfed in as much as everyone got huge buffs.

 

[Doomrider7]

So, is Dagruel nerf since he is 6-A in Wn at fraction of his power and High 4-C at full power?

Disaster Rank is A rank. Special S would be bad plot since she could have handle the Orc Lord witout difficulty.

No Veldora says that Dagruel was the only person who who could take him so I think he stays the same or maybe even gets a slight buff. Adding new material as I read LN6 so the addition of power is very much post Harvest Festival. Ramiris wanted to bring her attendants Treyni and Beretta, but Rimuru had Beretta stay in town to keep Veldora from being TOO much of a manchild and keep him in check so he created a core for Treyni's spirit form. Whe she moved her spirit form from her tree, said tree withered which Rimuru then used as material to make a body similar to Beretta's and placed the core. This trigerered a massive evolution in Treyni giving her massive buffs enough to Rival Demon Lord's apparently. Again I'll need to read it over again and with a search function to verify these things, but everyone seems to be getting buffs all around. But to elaborate, pre-evolution Treyni was on par with Orc Lord and below Orc Disaste with post-evolution having her be on par with a Demon Lord. Not like the ones from the 8 Star, but powerful enough to tackle Karion, Frey, or Clayman without much trouble it seems.

There's a LOT of new stuff in here. Someone needs to get OpMasada and CelestialPegasus up in here to parse some of this stuff.

Edit: Read it over and Treyni's stronger than Shion, but weaker than Karion according to the reading, but is way more powerful than the Orc Disaster by a substantial margin after getting her own "Magic Core" and body similar to Beretta.

 

[Doomrider7]

Here's the info on Treyni

Apart from obtaining both holy and monster attributes, she seems to have picked up new skills as well. Shion's magicule storage has always been the highest within my companions, yet her presence now feels stronger.

This is definitely stronger than Orc Disaster. But it still couldn't reach the same level as Demon Lord Karion. They both are nonetheless, very strong in their own way. She seems to be equal to Disaster Rank S.

She's not Calamity-equivalent Special A Rank, which is what applies to a demon lord….. The rank system made by the freedom association probably couldn't find the equivalent of this type of special Majin. I personally think she's close to Demon Lord's level, it is probably the correct guess.

Dryad Humanoid Fairy——A wise mamono that can rival Demon Lord. Now that Treyni-san has undergone this transition, she has become a powerful Majin that follows Ramiris.

 

[NeoSuperior]

In regards to disaster ranks, to maintain clarity:

• Rank A, known as "Hazard Class": Aþ┤Ü --- ÒâÅÒéÂÒâ╝Òâë(þü¢Õ«│þ┤Ü) Òü¿Õæ╝Òü░ÒéîÒéïÒÇé
  • Orc Lord, Gelmud, Tempest Serpent (mutated version), Tempest Star Wolves (can be much stronger and depending on the individual reach Special A), etc.
• Rank Special A, known as "Calamity Class": þë╣Aþ┤Ü --- Òé½Òâ®ÒâƒÒâåÒéú(þü¢ÕÄäþ┤Ü) Òü¿Õæ╝Òü░ÒéîÒéïÒÇé
  • Dragon (the one that Shizue fought in a flashback), Ifrit, Orc Disaster, Hakurou
    • On the verge to Rank S: Sky Dragon, Ramiris' Spirit-infued Steel Golem, Charybdis
• Rank S, known as "Disaster Class": Sþ┤Ü --- ÒâçÒéúÒéÂÒé╣Òé┐Òâ╝(þü¢þªìþ┤Ü) Òü¿Õæ╝Òü░ÒéîÒéïÒÇé
  • Frey, Carrion, Clayman, Shion (post-harvest festival)
• Rank Special S, known as "Catastrophe Class": þë╣Sþ┤Ü --- Òé½Òé┐Òé╣ÒâêÒâ¡Òâò(Õñ®þü¢þ┤Ü) Òü¿Õæ╝Òü░ÒéîÒéïÒÇé
  • Veldora (LN5 stat sheet mistranslated him as a mere "calamity"), Milim, most certainly Guy, likely Draguel

Everyone else is unknown. Rimuru escpacially, both his pre- and post-harvest festival selves. Clayman was actually not sure if he could win a war against Rimuru's forces and he seemed to be to even be underestimating Rimuru as well (though much of that only after hearing the "rumour" of Rimuru only reach Seed-level and Veldora supposedly killing the Falmas army) so for all we knew, Rimuru was probably already stronger than Clayman and Frey at that time, at least, though Karrion is quite a bit stronger than the other Demon Lord Seeds. Another point is that the requirements for Special S Rank are not known. For all we know just being a True Demon Lord is enough to get that rank assigned, or it's to actually rival True Dragons in single battle, we just don't know for sure. Though it's likely decided by the Western Council and/or Freedom Guild anyway.

There seems to be some problem with the threat levels in the Treyny info bit. Probably a translation mistake.

 

[NeoSuperior]

I think before we do all the post-harvest festival stuff, we should first concentrate on including the pre-harvest festival additions, which includes Hinata (I feel like the LN was not quite conclusive about whether dead end rainbow is Soul Hax or Death Hax. Furthermore there are Hakurou (some space hax resistance), Geld (the Orc King one, still got no LN profile) and of course Rimuru (Megiddo (partial resistance negation), Mercyless (soul hax), stronger space hax and space hax resistance, anti-magic, Formhide Art). Also possibly some resistance to holy manipulation for all Special A ranks.

 

[OpMasada]

Oh wow, a lot more buffs than I've seen in the WN (I haven't read it yet because I really have a short attention span while reading), I'll get to reading the LN in an hour or so.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Speed buffs are gonna happen for pre-harvest festival, they are gonna be supersonic+, even Gobta is supersonic lol.

Still on vol 6, only a quarter way through.

 

[NeoSuperior]

In case you didn't notice: "air" element = space. It's not wind. Wind is it's own element. You can see it from LN vol. 4 where Kenya had wind among his elements and Alice had "air", which is space. Rimuru got Spatial Motion from mixing together Alice's artificial Greater Spirit.

This is important because Rimuru removes Regenerationn/healing negation, caused by "air"/space-element-imbued attacks by the Otherworlders, from Hakurou and Gobta in LN vol. 5 at one point.

 

[Doomrider7]

Speed buffs are gonna happen for pre-harvest festival, they are gonna be supersonic+, even Gobta is supersonic lol.
Still on vol 6, only a quarter way through.

Finished it just a bit ago. ******* loved all of the changes they made. Ditto for LN5 though the mistranslations irked me in a few places. That one otherworlder made me feel kind of bad though.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Almost 80% done, but yea the ln is vastly superior to the wn.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Seems like.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Clayman is apart of the clown troup, and footman and tear are stronger than him? Interesting, makes sense considering they stomped phobio and geld.

 

[Doomrider7]

Clayman is apart of the clown troup, and footman and tear are stronger than him? Interesting, makes sense considering they stomped phobio and geld.

I also found the revelation that both he and Kazaream were elves to be pretty surprising. Like I knew about the undead part, but them having been elves at one point is completely new and actually a really interesting new development.

 

[Sheska444]

I felt sorry for clayman , he's actually a decent guy in a way

 

[Doomrider7]

I felt sorry for clayman , he's actually a decent guy in a way

I... Agree? Like he was still a terrible guy, but his motivations felt more human this time around. Like he really just desperately wanted to measure up to the other members of the troupe and him ignoring their advice was his downfall. I actually had a lot of mixed feelings about him.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

He is still scum (massacring thousands of ppl and all) but he is certainly portrayed more human and his motives are understandable, way better than his wn portrayal.

 

[Doomrider7]

I loved Guy here as well and I loved everything about Beretta and the whole discussion with Guy about his motives and servitude and the whole thing about Diablo. That was incredibly good.

Edit: The bit about the Orc Kingdom was a nice new addition as was the expansion on the Dragon Worshippers.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Finally done, that was very good, can't wait for vol 7, hopefully Dasray gets more help by then, the first and last 1/4 of vol 6 was decently translated, with only some gramatical errors here and there, but the middle had a lot.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Also seems like time for a new thread, gonna make one and go to sleep.