Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[RimuruTempestLN]

Diablo's reality exchange allows him to obtain non-existent physiology and Rimuru can use all of his subordinates' abilities so could Rimuru obtain non-existent physiology in the demon slime key?

 

[CodeCCLL]

Diablo's reality exchange allows him to obtain non-existent physiology and Rimuru can use all of his subordinates' abilities so could Rimuru obtain non-existent physiology in the demon slime key?

Diablo does not have a non-existent physiology, he can only turn other beings or objects into a non-existent state and into them unable to interact with reality. Rimuru also has the potential to use this with his food chain, but he can only use it if there are some special case where he can defeat his opponent with this ability.

 

[RimuruTempestLN]

They have already posted the proposed changes in the topic on Rimuru's profile, such as the non-existent erasure of nep type 2, but I think they forgot to include the non-existent erasure via aura, which is passive and erases nep type 1, I think it would be good to include it because this is passive and could make a difference in a match vs.

 

[RimuruTempestLN]

now that it has been accepted that spiritual life forms are type 1 concepts I think magic should also be a type 1 concept (and the new layers that were accepted a while ago should also count towards cm 1) @Astral_Trinity439

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

now that it has been accepted that spiritual life forms are type 1 concepts I think magic should also be a type 1 concept (and the new layers that were accepted a while ago should also count towards cm 1) @Astral_Trinity439

Indeed, but we need to make a CRT for that too to make sure no one thinks it came out of nowhere
and It'll be 5 Layers of CM1 for Ultimate skill users

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

TenSura Upgrade [WN]

Since the last thread was successful, lets go over a WN revision now, shall we :D Please refrain from being toxic, and refrain from derailing the thread, we want a meaningful discussion here! Now lets start with the thread, this will be quite long for some, so please bear with it Introduction ...

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[Meli_Tempest]

now that it has been accepted that spiritual life forms are type 1 concepts I think magic should also be a type 1 concept (and the new layers that were accepted a while ago should also count towards cm 1) @Astral_Trinity439

May I know in which thread they were accepted as type 1 concepts?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

May I know in which thread they were accepted as type 1 concepts?

Here, they were accepted as Concept Type 1 [resultantly they have passive CM1], as well as having Time Travel[Immeasurable travel speed via movement] + Avatar Creation, with more details to their dimensional travel being added

 

[Meli_Tempest]

Here, they were accepted as Concept Type 1 [resultantly they have passive CM1], as well as having Time Travel[Immeasurable travel speed via movement] + Avatar Creation, with more details to their dimensional travel being added

In this case, Demon Slime Rimuru's type 2 Conceptual Destruction should be changed to type 1.

• Conceptual Destruction (Type 2; Capable of destroying Ifrit conceptual self, preventing him from ever coming back. Ifrit is a Spiritual Lifeform who is the embodiment of the Abstract laws that Govern The world and would be able to come back in fine condition as long as the core isn't gone)

 

[RimuruTempestLN]

on page 1 it was accepted by DarkDragonMedeus and on page 2 it was accepted by Elizha

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

In this case, Demon Slime Rimuru's type 2 Conceptual Destruction should be changed to type 1.

• Conceptual Destruction (Type 2; Capable of destroying Ifrit conceptual self, preventing him from ever coming back. Ifrit is a Spiritual Lifeform who is the embodiment of the Abstract laws that Govern The world and would be able to come back in fine condition as long as the core isn't gone)

The profile is locked, I've requested an unlock in All-purpose thread but it hasn't been unlocked yet
I suppose either the mods are too busy or it was missed/ignored in the bunch of others alike. But the changes to SLF Physiology page have already been made

• Avatar Creation (A Spiritual Lifeform's form in the material World[7] is merely an imperfect manifestation of themselves allowing them to impact the Physical World[8], made as a proxy to interact with the World[9], although non-physical as it is made of magicules[10], It is their objects representing their conceptual self, that which they can abandon[9] any time and return to their True Spiritual Selves, that reside in Spiritual Worlds[7])

• Abstract Existence (Type 1 - Concept (Type 1) - Elemental Spirits; Spiritual Lifeforms are embodiment of the attributes of the abstract laws that govern each principle of the world[14], such as Demons, embodiment of the darkness attribute[15], Spiritual Lifeforms exist as their own Conceptual Selves, they can retain their form at the End of Space and Time and are thus unaffected by it[16], a point in the far distant future where not just the universe but the World itself has come to an End[17]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/S...nsei_Shitara_Slime_Datta_Ken)#cite_note-:2-17

• Time Travel (They can travel to the End of Space and Time by movement alone[16], the End of Space is a point in the par distant future where the World has ended[17]; they can also travel to different Worlds[22], for which synchronizing timelines between those Worlds are required[23]; Worlds have different flows of Time[22][24], unsynchronized and different Time Axes[17], as well as no Causality between them whatsoever[23], each Timeline has its own temporal Dimension[25] and flow unique to itself[26][27])

• Passive Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1; The power and existence of spirits are rooted back to the core which is the fundamentals of the world that govern every aspect of reality, interaction with their purest form can cause one to alter the laws of the world such as magic rooted from spirits of fire can cause one to burn oxygen and produce carbon dioxide and the law of each of its conflicting relationships which brings order to the world[14])

 

[Berga14]

Here, they were accepted as Concept Type 1 [resultantly they have passive CM1], as well as having Time Travel[Immeasurable travel speed via movement] + Avatar Creation, with more details to their dimensional travel being added

Do you mean"time travel through speed"? I'm quite sure that immisurable speed got rejected

 

[Berga14]

Can someone check this? I want to know if you think something is missing or wrong or if i can add something (even grammar, i'm not a english speaker)
(I'm not posting this until next monday at least)

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Do you mean"time travel through speed"? I'm quite sure that immisurable speed got rejected

Read DDM's comment, or well, I should just quote it

"Immeasurable travel speed that doesn't scale to combat speed" would simply be called Time Travel.

But the rest looks good

Even if it's done through movement; writers have often explained regular FTL travel does that despite having finite travel speed normally. Or even just "Running laps around the earth faster than it rotates" which is why it's still preferable to list it as "Time Travel through movement". AKM also voiced wanting to remove "Immeasurable via running through time" from various profiles that both me and Antvasima agreed with though Antvasima doesn't always remember full details from time to time.

these, from here and here

Can someone check this? I want to know if you think something is missing or wrong or if i can add something (even grammar, i'm not a english speaker)
(I'm not posting this until next monday at least)

Link giving error

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If you want others to check it make sure to check that in the options/settings [if there is any for it]
although, I'm guessing its a sandbox?

 

[RimuruTempestLN]

There is an ability that was accepted but not applied to profiles, which is non-existent erasure via aura.

 

[Berga14]

Read DDM's comment, or well, I should just quote it


these, from here and here

Link giving error

If you want others to check it make sure to check that in the options/settings [if there is any for it]
although, I'm guessing its a sandbox

Oh... there is like a fast way to let you see a sandbox?

 

[Berga14]

okay, i copied it on a blog: here

 

[Meli_Tempest]

okay, i copied it on a blog: here

The speed of perception and movement (Perception for those who cannot move and movement for those who can) should also be immeasurable, since it is done through the same movement that particles do when moving through time to form abilities, since the latter is not something special or separate from the former.

 

[Meli_Tempest]

By the way, as far as I remember those who can perceive the information particles in this key as far as I remember are: Rimuru, Diablo and Ultima (Who has no profile). Or did I miss someone?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

There is an ability that was accepted but not applied to profiles, which is non-existent erasure via aura.

It already exists on Velgrynd's profile
can you list the profiles its missing in? [It only applies to true dragon level beings]

okay, i copied it on a blog: here

Checked, and a few things should be added or removed

• Rimuru could see Information Particles' movement -> Proof for their infinite[or higher] perception speed [Add this to the last part about perception speed]
• Information Particle is "moved", I.E DLFs made of information particles actually move rather than teleport -> Another proof for them being movement and not teleportation

Also, it is always Immeasurable, its just, they never need to go back in time during time stop because the flow of time is stopped, so its better setting it as solid immeasurable speed and backing that up Via Rimuru's feat and the "any point in time" statement

 

[Berga14]

The speed of perception and movement (Perception for those who cannot move and movement for those who can) should also be immeasurable, since it is done through the same movement that particles do when moving through time to form abilities, since the latter is not something special or separate from the former.

i changed it a bit, i will not write only immisurable becuase i'm not sure if that Rimuru and Shuna feat is enought

 

[Berga14]

It already exists on Velgrynd's profile
can you list the profiles its missing in? [It only applies to true dragon level beings]


Checked, and a few things should be added or removed

• Rimuru could see Information Particles' movement -> Proof for their infinite[or higher] perception speed [Add this to the last part about perception speed]
• Information Particle is "moved", I.E DLFs made of information particles actually move rather than teleport -> Another proof for them being movement and not teleportation

Also, it is always Immeasurable, its just, they never need to go back in time during time stop because the flow of time is stopped, so its better setting it as solid immeasurable speed and backing that up Via Rimuru's feat and the "any point in time" statement

i'm changing it

 

[Meli_Tempest]

i changed it a bit, i will not write only immisurable becuase i'm not sure if that Rimuru and Shuna feat is enought

The rimuru and shuna feat supports the statement of moving to any point in time, should be fine.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

By the way, as far as I remember those who can perceive the information particles in this key as far as I remember are: Rimuru, Diablo and Ultima (Who has no profile). Or did I miss someone?

Many actually

i changed it a bit, i will not write only immisurable becuase i'm not sure if that Rimuru and Shuna feat is enought

With the fact that there's already a statement of "they can transfer information to any point in time" It should be more than enough tbh
also, another scan for them also having Immeasurable "Attack and Combat Speed", you should add it

Also, I think we can use that air molecule dispersion scan and another that I have to prove that Spatial Transfer is movement, not teleportation
[that'll give Space-time domination immeasurable speed too]

 

[Meli_Tempest]

Many actually

With the fact that there's already a statement of "they can transfer information to any point in time" It should be more than enough tbh
also, another scan for them also having Immeasurable "Attack and Combat Speed", you should add it

Also, I think we can use that air molecule dispersion scan and another that I have to prove that Spatial Transfer is movement, not teleportation
[that'll give Space-time domination immeasurable speed too]

Okay, I wasn't quite sure if the rest were declared as such, I appreciate that.

 

[Meli_Tempest]

It already exists on Velgrynd's profile
can you list the profiles its missing in? [It only applies to true dragon level beings]


Checked, and a few things should be added or removed

• Rimuru could see Information Particles' movement -> Proof for their infinite[or higher] perception speed [Add this to the last part about perception speed]
• Information Particle is "moved", I.E DLFs made of information particles actually move rather than teleport -> Another proof for them being movement and not teleportation

Also, it is always Immeasurable, its just, they never need to go back in time during time stop because the flow of time is stopped, so its better setting it as solid immeasurable speed and backing that up Via Rimuru's feat and the "any point in time" statement

In this topic:

Rimuru (In the Pre Ultimate Slime key)

Veldora

Chloe

None has the non-existent erasure

 

[Berga14]

Also, I think we can use that air molecule dispersion scan and another that I have to prove that Spatial Transfer is movement, not teleportation
[that'll give Space-time domination immeasurable speed too]

nah, to much chaos, better doing it later

Many actually

true but i don't know if i can use those translations. (veldenava bc he has all abilities, Chloe and guy from vol 12)

 

[Berga14]

also, another scan for them also having Immeasurable "Attack and Combat Speed", you should add it

well this is quite obvious, i add it only bc more is better

 

[RimuruTempestLN]

It already exists on Velgrynd's profile
can you list the profiles its missing in? [It only applies to true dragon level beings]

the only profile this was applied to was Velgrynd, it is missing from all the others who are at the level of a true dragon

edit: I didn't specify the names because I don't remember everyone's names so I want to avoid ending up talking nonsense.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

nah, to much chaos, better doing it later

true

well this is quite obvious, i add it only bc more is better

yeah but some MFs just always gonna say "prove it" so....

true but i don't know if i can use those translations. (veldenava bc he has all abilities, Chloe and guy from vol 12)

you can, at least for this, because its only to prove they are DLF, its not a hax unique to one character only. I'm pretty sure we're already using a lot of MTLs in many pages

 

[Berga14]

you can, at least for this, because its only to prove they are DLF, its not a hax unique to one character only. I'm pretty sure we're already using a lot of MTLs in many pages

Okay, i'll add them as well, at most they will get rejected temporarily

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

In this topic:

Rimuru (In the Pre Ultimate Slime key)

Veldora

Chloe

None has the non-existent erasure

well, Rimuru's profile is locked, so even the SLF upgrades haven't been applied to it yet
Will add to the other ones

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

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Yo, can you find the thread were NEP was accepted rq? I can't seem to find it by normal means like search bar

 

[RimuruTempestLN]

Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Upgrade for Characters (Simple and short)

Introduction There's no introduction per say just agree with what you can and state why don't agree with what you can't Social Influencing for Demon lords and heroes and a special one for Rimuru Demon lords are by all means "a threat" to the society a system created by Veldanava to keep society...

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the non-existent erasure was accepted here (if I'm not mistaken the things about Diablo and Iziz were not accepted)

 

[Berga14]

so, i think i have corrected and added everything, if there isn't anything else to say i can already post it.
So now the problem is that i don't know what to do in the case this crt will actually get approved.

edit: so if i try to post it there are 3 place were i can write: the title (and this one is okay) and 2 others with "discussion" and "article", i don't know what to do with this 2

 

[Meli_Tempest]

so, i think i have corrected and added everything, if there isn't anything else to say i can already post it.
So now the problem is that i don't know what to do in the case this crt will actually get approved.

edit: so if i try to post it there are 3 place were i can write: the title (and this one is okay) and 2 others with "discussion" and "article", i don't know what to do with this 2

Immeasurable is misspelled, other than that it looks good.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

the non-existent erasure was accepted here (if I'm not mistaken the things about Diablo and Iziz were not accepted)

alright, have added to chloe's and veldora's profiles

so, i think i have corrected and added everything, if there isn't anything else to say i can already post it.
So now the problem is that i don't know what to do in the case this crt will actually get approved.

edit: so if i try to post it there are 3 place were i can write: the title (and this one is okay) and 2 others with "discussion" and "article", i don't know what to do with this 2

Just do "Post thread" from here and select content revision thread option
but should do this to make it more readable :

• spelling error
• organize this into sub-blinks
  • Example
• Categorize "Answers" as sub-blinks [All]
• Bold "Counters"[All]
• Spelling error
• If possible, better the grammar

If last option is impossible or hard, I can prepare another blog for the wording with better grammar, tho depends on what you answer to this

 

[RimuruTempestLN]

• Void Manipulation and Space-Time Manipulation - High Concentration of magicules distorts dimensions, erase life and erase void

General Concepts in Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken (Light Novel)

This is to ensure and provide context to whatever ability exist in slime which rather seems questionable, with adequate explanation on the idea of whatever ability exist on some profiles of Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken, they are also additional explanations on other abilities such as ultimate...

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This is still manipulation of the void with the high concentration of aura on the general concepts page (light novel) is this right? I remember there was a review about the aura having non-existent erasure instead of void manipulation (but I'm not sure about the high concentration) so I'm asking.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

• Void Manipulation and Space-Time Manipulation - High Concentration of magicules distorts dimensions, erase life and erase void

This is still manipulation of the void with the high concentration of aura on the general concepts page (light novel) is this right? I remember there was a review about the aura having non-existent erasure instead of void manipulation (but I'm not sure about the high concentration) so I'm asking.

It was initially void manip prolly cuz no one thought of NEE, but later got upgraded to that so yeah, its fine

 

[Berga14]

alright, have added to chloe's and veldora's profiles


Just do "Post thread" from here and select content revision thread option
but should do this to make it more readable :

• spelling error
• organize this into sub-blinks
  • Example
• Categorize "Answers" as sub-blinks [All]
• Bold "Counters"[All]
• Spelling error
• If possible, better the grammar

If last option is impossible or hard, I can prepare another blog for the wording with better grammar, tho depends on what you answer to this

i changed some things, i think aesthetics is okay, idk about grammar, i tried to do better.