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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 11
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Oh just you wait. If you talk like that we'll instead get something interesting like the names of ultimate skills being meant much more literal than believed until now. Heck yea, baby! Tier 0 Rimuru, here we come! I mean I can actually believe it that Fuse writes up some explanation about how Rimuru (and Ciel) is "even further beyond" the outerverse compared to the actual Cthulu Mythos. Though that wouldn't be fun because Tier 0 are forbidden from being used in fights anyway.
But putting such fantasies aside, I kind of left it hanging, but there is still the issue about Rimuru's "time warp" possibly being 5D (High 2-A) due to how it can even timetravel through time that no longer exists. That'd just be hax though, not a change in AP. But 5D instead of 4D makes a big difference, e.g. there'd no longer be anyone "too far away to reach" on 4D, though it wouldn't help against 4D omnipresence or such. It might potentially allow Acausals to be timeparadoxed too due to the acausality having to be 5D level to resist 5D paradoxing (I think?)
But putting such fantasies aside, I kind of left it hanging, but there is still the issue about Rimuru's "time warp" possibly being 5D (High 2-A) due to how it can even timetravel through time that no longer exists. That'd just be hax though, not a change in AP. But 5D instead of 4D makes a big difference, e.g. there'd no longer be anyone "too far away to reach" on 4D, though it wouldn't help against 4D omnipresence or such. It might potentially allow Acausals to be timeparadoxed too due to the acausality having to be 5D level to resist 5D paradoxing (I think?)
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I think @DontTalkDt who is mathematic major said he wasn't 5-D at least for the current WN.
Actually I asked 3 people. 1 didn't respond, but 2, which are DontTalkDT's response and Ultima Reality's response, they gave me rather vague answers of "it's not 5D, but at the same time it is 5D" and the answers just left me confused, unsure how to ask further. It seems like the two weren't entirely sure either.
And by the way, I am ONLY talking about Rimuru's "Time Warp" ability here being possibly High 2-A. I do not suggest in any way that Rimuru's AP or any of his other hax are on that level, though one might argue that some of his space-time hax would be affected by that as well and that perhaps Rimuru's reactive evolution gets a good reason to work upto 5D hax due to Ciel seemingly being able to grasp the possibly 5D "Time Warp" ability - hence it'd be strange that anything 4D would be "too much for her to handle".
Actually I asked 3 people. 1 didn't respond, but 2, which are DontTalkDT's response and Ultima Reality's response, they gave me rather vague answers of "it's not 5D, but at the same time it is 5D" and the answers just left me confused, unsure how to ask further. It seems like the two weren't entirely sure either.
And by the way, I am ONLY talking about Rimuru's "Time Warp" ability here being possibly High 2-A. I do not suggest in any way that Rimuru's AP or any of his other hax are on that level, though one might argue that some of his space-time hax would be affected by that as well and that perhaps Rimuru's reactive evolution gets a good reason to work upto 5D hax due to Ciel seemingly being able to grasp the possibly 5D "Time Warp" ability - hence it'd be strange that anything 4D would be "too much for her to handle".
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Question. Isn't Magic Sense both Enhanced Senses and Extrasensory Perception?
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Not really. It doesn't actually enhance one's Rimuru's eyesight itself, for example, unlike abilities like "keen smell" which simply enhances the sense of smell and is therefore an "enhanced sense".
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It allows you to see the magic in the air on light and soundwaves, can see up to 100km, acts as a translator, capable of seeing Elementals and Spirits with it, can see in pitch black, etc.
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I think the range was lower than 100km, I don't think Elementals and Spirits were stated to be invisible.Milly Rocking Bandit said:
Honestly, I didn't believe that invisbility spells or abilities exist in verse but I found that it does, at least in WN. Rimuru can use Invisibility magic when he was playing around with the skeleton body in the labyrinth (In chapter 127) .
Hinata can use invisibility spell too (Chapter 121).
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Regardless, isn't that both?Elizhaa said:
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I mean isn't that enough justification for Enhanced Senses and Extraordinary Perception?
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Alright, thats one vote.
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I know, but everyone else likely needs it too.
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Magic Sense is the most basic skill in the entire series. That's where we got the resistance to data and information manipulation on EVERY PROFILE.
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Got a good chunk of Tensura matches ready. Hope they're not stomps. Right now I'm trying to get votes on Rangiku vs Ranga.
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Changed Demon Lord's Haki to Haki on Benimaru and Shion's profile.
Also gonna remove some of Rimuru and Ruminas resistances due to what i said above about US, we need more explanations on it cause from what we know it doesn't make the user resistant to elemental stuff and unique skills like Hinata's also work.
Low level skills don't work on US but as to which specific abilities count as low level, is vague, don't think we can just assume which ones are and aren't low level.
Also gonna remove some of Rimuru and Ruminas resistances due to what i said above about US, we need more explanations on it cause from what we know it doesn't make the user resistant to elemental stuff and unique skills like Hinata's also work.
Low level skills don't work on US but as to which specific abilities count as low level, is vague, don't think we can just assume which ones are and aren't low level.
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That's fair. We do need more information on the physiology of US's to begin with.
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Sorry but I have to disagree about Magic Sense supposedly being "Enhanced Senses". It's ESP and that's all. It doesn't strengthen existing senses but rather creates an entirely new "Sense that perceives Magicules" and that's all. It's like how Bats supposedly "see" via Echolocation, but ultimately they only hear and use it to simulate sight that way, but they don't actually "see" anything since hearing is the sense that perceives sonic waves, while sight perceives light. Likewise Magic Sense is a new, literal, "6th sense" that is able to simulate the effects of sight (light) and hearing (sonic waves), but it's unclear in regards to the other senses.
Still, not enhanced senses. If it was then ESP would be irrelevant, since it would always also be enhanced senses. Since it got it's own page then it should be treated as something seperate, I think.
Still, not enhanced senses. If it was then ESP would be irrelevant, since it would always also be enhanced senses. Since it got it's own page then it should be treated as something seperate, I think.
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@NeoSuperior, it make senses. I check at WN even there it is like extra senses. Veldora describes Magci Perception that even if one ears and eyes are crushed, the user could still have awarness of it surrounding and ambushed become impossible with Magic Perception (Chapter 3). It is decribed as a calculation of Information to process surrounding too in both LN and WN.
Rimuru and his subordinates would still keep Enhanced Senses from Other Skills like Heat Detection, Sound Detection, Super Sense of Smell.
Rimuru and his subordinates would still keep Enhanced Senses from Other Skills like Heat Detection, Sound Detection, Super Sense of Smell.
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Yes, because those skills actually influence pre-existing senses.
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Seems fine. I think Low level skills in context all lower abilities than Ultimate Skills besides elemental weakness fromt he statement below:Celestial Pegasus said:
- Ultimate skills, as they're called, are devices to grant access to the ultimate principles of this world. That is why, in order to combat against an ultimate skill, one must employ ultimate skill as well.
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That's what it's meant but clearly it's not absolute since Hinata's ability works plus the elemental weaknesses.
That's why we should go off of what skills have been shown to not work ie Hinata not being able analyze or steal Rimuru's skill, instead of making a blanket decision that no unique skill could ever work on someone with an ultimate skill.
We need more explantions, which we should get later, i mean even the WN stated like 3x that magic doesn't on someone with a US, and the first explanation that it doesn't matter if it's higher or lower.
The LN is different though cause weaknesses are mention and nothing is said about it not mattering if it's a high or low ability that's not a US.
That's why we should go off of what skills have been shown to not work ie Hinata not being able analyze or steal Rimuru's skill, instead of making a blanket decision that no unique skill could ever work on someone with an ultimate skill.
We need more explantions, which we should get later, i mean even the WN stated like 3x that magic doesn't on someone with a US, and the first explanation that it doesn't matter if it's higher or lower.
The LN is different though cause weaknesses are mention and nothing is said about it not mattering if it's a high or low ability that's not a US.
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That's fair. Unless we it's more complicated.
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@Elizhaa
"The hero's Unlimited Imprisonment could hold its target captive in an infinite number of imaginary spaces for all of time. It wasn't some weak barrier that would allow casual interference with the real world."
" Unlimited Imprisonment: Entombs the target in a complex number of spatial dimensions. "
"The hero's Unlimited Imprisonment could hold its target captive in an infinite number of imaginary spaces for all of time. It wasn't some weak barrier that would allow casual interference with the real world."
" Unlimited Imprisonment: Entombs the target in a complex number of spatial dimensions. "
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I mostly just want to see a tier 1 Rimuru for the hilarity of it. A goofy nice guy slime being more powerful than some scary looking monster types is endearingly hilarious to me.
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Lol. Yeah that.Sheska444 said:perfect exampleDoomrider7 said:
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