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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 11

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The first volume of Slime Diaries is officially out. It's technically not written by FUSE it seems, but by the artist Shiba. He still verifies everything to make sure the characters are portrayed correctly and contacts Shiba-sensei when she has issues so it can be assumed as canon.
 
You know what? How about we give WN Rimuru an "afterstory human form" key? AP at "average human" or "10-B, higher with magic cards". Then use the excuses "his forcefield is hax!" and "his imaginary punch is just durability negation!" and make him into one of those "low AP character with super-high hax" characters, finally!

I must say I am so damn sick and tired of all those Tier 6-10 characters that just so happen to have a Tier 2 or Tier 1 hax that they can use at first thought or even passively. It takes the fun out of everything. So I say, if the world burns already, what's the bad thing about adding a little more oil to it and have Rimuru ruin the day for others too?
 
People already aren't a fan of this verse regardless despite not reading/watching the series, and direct their hate to two characters. That'll get us absolutely nothing but more opponents, and more disdain. Nothing much we can do but suck it up and brush it off.
 
Is it? It feels more like everyone forgot the verse already or something. The last few weeks seem like they overwrote everyone's memories somehow.

But lately Rimuru (both WN and LN) ONLY faced those of "same AP" or even "lower AP" who had extreme Tier 2 hax or even Tier 1 hax. So why not make the same? Others can use hax avatars too, why not Rimuru?
 
Rimuru is actually underrated most of the time. In most sites people don't even believe Rimuru is multiversal and loses to Ainz. Tensei is a good Isekai Series. He has hax I mean soul destruction and ftl attacks were present since around ch 50 or something. Reality warping and other abilities. Rimuru is basically DS taken to 11. His battles should be fun
 
Actually, it's the WN ones that weren't fun. Because all the Destiny and Medaka Box fans kept pouring into the threads. And those without too many hax were just stomped when faced against Rimuru, so Rimuru was in an awkward "mid-level hax" position without any peers on equal ground.

But despite all the BS with that one Masadaverse thread, it turned out pretty fun at the end, escpacially the joke thread about them teaming up against GEoM afterwards. I don't want to generalize here, but some communities are better than others.
 
I am Dies Irae fan but the difference of Infinity is bs. No matter how little attention you are being paid but if your enemy really is infinite and counting times stronger than you and is trying to end everything you don't survive like at all. The whole thing is taken at face value. Medaka community can also get toxic a lot when the MC is literal plot armor the fans can only reply that she is unlimited, can copy all powers and unbeatable. Read the whole manga and the only thing I even liked is Kumagawa's characters.
 
No, no, no. Please don't remind me of that "infinite speed amp" BS where, if Medaka was bloodlusted, her enemy needed to kill her on her first thought, or via passive, or via attack reflection, otherwise she can do infinite attacks before her opponent can do even 1.
 
Where can I find the LN? I could only find 4 chapters of it.
 
NeoSuperior said:
No, no, no. Please don't remind me of that "infinite speed amp" BS where, if Medaka was bloodlusted, her enemy needed to kill her on her first thought, or via passive, or via attack reflection, otherwise she can do infinite attacks before her opponent can do even 1.
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I mean Rimuru stomp via Madness Aura.
 
NeoSuperior said:
You know what? How about we give WN Rimuru an "afterstory human form" key? AP at "average human" or "10-B, higher with magic cards". Then use the excuses "his forcefield is hax!" and "his imaginary punch is just durability negation!" and make him into one of those "low AP character with super-high hax" characters, finally!
I must say I am so damn sick and tired of all those Tier 6-10 characters that just so happen to have a Tier 2 or Tier 1 hax that they can use at first thought or even passively. It takes the fun out of everything. So I say, if the world burns already, what's the bad thing about adding a little more oil to it and have Rimuru ruin the day for others too?
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Rimuru's true body is still the Imaginary Space though so I doubt a extra key is needed.

I mean you get used to these match. Besides, Rimuru's madness aura is one of the best passive in the wiki so he pretty much stomp in many of this type of match-up; trust me on this point, I looked up thousands of profiles here and could even argued that Rimuru at 6-A stomp a lot of 3-D humans characters in Tier 3 and 2.
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
Indeed. What are you all's favorite characters?
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I don't know why, but I enjoy it the most when Diablo toys around with his enemies and Rimuru when he shows his sadistic tendencies. Also the fact that they are both immortal.

The thing is, I always hated it when a story shows the "bad guys" as being immortals who can only be sealed and not killed and such, while the MC is merely a "mortal" who beats the immortal this one time and even goes on to preach how immortality is an inherently bad thing and this or that about the "next generation taking over" and such, accusing the bad guy of stagnating. It doesn't help that the bad guy usually isn't smart enough for good counter-arguments and that the author also seems to support the anti-immortality angle.

So I really liked that Slime is not doing that, but instead handling it much more maturely. The part where Rimuru thinks about that, it's escpacially good in the manga version (chapter 43). But the LN version is very similar though not as "poetic":


It was much more relaxing than a lot of inns out there, so the other three loved it. "Rimuru," Elen said, beaming at me, "let's be adventuring partners forever!!" I couldn't say yes to that, but I'm glad she enjoyed my digs, at least.
Maybe life would've been a lot different if I wasn't leader of the Forest of Jura, huh? I could probably leave most operations to Rigurd and the rest of my bureaucracy by now, but I couldn't go AWOL forever.

…In the future, though, maybe. Once I wasn't so needed any longer, perhaps it'd be fun to be a freelance adventurer for a while. Too bad you guys will probably be dead of old age by then…

Well, that thought came out of nowhere.
Now part of me wondered if Milim had similar feelings. Maybe it'd be better to be a lone wolf, after all, instead of making lifelong friends who I'm doomed to outlive. I dunno. I didn't have enough experience to answer that question right now.
That being said, we still didn't get any statements about the lifespans aside for the Hobgoblins and Ogres+Kijin, only the fact that Rimuru is pretty confident about "outliving" regular humans - and that was before he became a Demon Lord. Maybe the Databook got something.
 
I don't think it's the Demon Lord's Haki that does it. I think it's an INHERENT ability of any Daemons and Demon Lord Seeds, but it only works on those killed by yourself or by those who do the killings in your name. If you want to use it against someone still alive, you need some sort of Skill/Magic/Art for it.

The misunderstanding that "Demon Lord's Haki reaps souls" probably comes from the fact that it insta-kills people, so the souls consequently get obtained due to the "racial trait" of taking the souls of those killed, rather than the Demon Lord's Haki.

In the case of Rimuru and Diablo, they both have Skills that enable them to reap souls of those afraid of them or generally givng up battle via begging or running away.
 
NeoSuperior said:
I don't think it's the Demon Lord's Haki that does it. I think it's an INHERENT ability of any Daemons and Demon Lord Seeds, but it only works on those killed by yourself or by those who do the killings in your name. If you want to use it against someone still alive, you need some sort of Skill/Magic/Art for it.
The misunderstanding that "Demon Lord's Haki reaps souls" probably comes from the fact that it insta-kills people, so the souls consequently get obtained due to the "racial trait" of taking the souls of those killed, rather than the Demon Lord's Haki.

In the case of Rimuru and Diablo, they both have Skills that enable them to reap souls of those afraid of them or generally givng up battle via begging or running away.
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I checked it pretty much it. Rimuru used this method to obtain soul of the two armies who tried to invided Tempest for anyone who died in his presence; Sure abilties like Heartless One does help but it look like soul reaping is closed to passive or semi-passive for dead ennemies.
 
NeoSuperior said:
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
Indeed. What are you all's favorite characters?
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I don't know why, but I enjoy it the most when Diablo toys around with his enemies and Rimuru when he shows his sadistic tendencies. Also the fact that they are both immortal.
The thing is, I always hated it when a story shows the "bad guys" as being immortals who can only be sealed and not killed and such, while the MC is merely a "mortal" who beats the immortal this one time and even goes on to preach how immortality is an inherently bad thing and this or that about the "next generation taking over" and such, accusing the bad guy of stagnating. It doesn't help that the bad guy usually isn't smart enough for good counter-arguments and that the author also seems to support the anti-immortality angle.

So I really liked that Slime is not doing that, but instead handling it much more maturely. The part where Rimuru thinks about that, it's escpacially good in the manga version (chapter 43). But the LN version is very similar though not as "poetic":


It was much more relaxing than a lot of inns out there, so the other three loved it. "Rimuru," Elen said, beaming at me, "let's be adventuring partners forever!!" I couldn't say yes to that, but I'm glad she enjoyed my digs, at least.
Maybe life would've been a lot different if I wasn't leader of the Forest of Jura, huh? I could probably leave most operations to Rigurd and the rest of my bureaucracy by now, but I couldn't go AWOL forever.

…In the future, though, maybe. Once I wasn't so needed any longer, perhaps it'd be fun to be a freelance adventurer for a while. Too bad you guys will probably be dead of old age by then…

Well, that thought came out of nowhere.
Now part of me wondered if Milim had similar feelings. Maybe it'd be better to be a lone wolf, after all, instead of making lifelong friends who I'm doomed to outlive. I dunno. I didn't have enough experience to answer that question right now.
That being said, we still didn't get any statements about the lifespans aside for the Hobgoblins and Ogres+Kijin, only the fact that Rimuru is pretty confident about "outliving" regular humans - and that was before he became a Demon Lord. Maybe the Databook got something.
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The LN versions was good, but I still liked the manga version a bit more since his facial expression just sold it. It's like that realization that Immortality is kind of being Blessed With Suck since YOU are immortal, but not your friends and loved ones.
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
WN, atm.
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No worry, my answers was about the WN. Though, NeoSuperior's answer is pretty much valid for both the LN and WN.
 
Immortalgodd said:
Rimuru is actually underrated most of the time. In most sites people don't even believe Rimuru is multiversal and loses to Ainz. Tensei is a good Isekai Series. He has hax I mean soul destruction and ftl attacks were present since around ch 50 or something. Reality warping and other abilities. Rimuru is basically DS taken to 11. His battles should be fun
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lord ainz can pretty much solo anybody cuz tgoalid is unstoppable , bone daddy is an exception among exceptions
 
By the way, if the whole "spirit particle" thing comes from Melt Slash, then Melt Slash, which is basically just a Disintegration Spell imbued into the Sword "Moonlight" means that Disintegration itself has the same traits, which is Space-Time Manipulation. That's also supported by the fact that Trinity Disintegration was fairly explicitly said to have used Spirit Particles as well.


She casts ÒÇîDisintegrationÒÇì. This power begins to gather on the empty left hand of Hinata, giving off a bright shine.
The sparkling particles intertwine to create a fantasy-like scenery.
Then Hinata imbues that light onto the body of her Moonlight Rapier.
——Her left hand slowly caresses the body of her sword.
The preparation is done.
She has infused her strongest magic with her sword art.
This is the technique that shall slash through all things in the world.
ÒÇîCome now, have you made your resolve?ÒÇì
ÒÇîBring it on!ÒÇì
ÒÇîThen take this——Melt Slash!ÒÇì
Hinata finishes her words and turns into a beam of light, quickly approaching Rimuru.
~ LN vol. 7​
It's not entirely clear whether or not "holy-element" and "spirit particle" are treated as the same thing, or if they are just two seperate aspects of a single ability:


But right now, my ÒÇîAbsolute DefenseÒÇì has perfectly defended against ÒÇîTrinity DisintegrationÒÇì.
So how did Raphael-san so perfectly predict the movement of ÒÇîSpirit ParticlesÒÇì?

《Answer. The attack just now——ÒÇîMelt SlashÒÇì was canceled by ÒÇîGluttonous King BeelzebubÒÇì and engaged by ÒÇîPredationÒÇì at the same time. The information gathered then was successful in analyzing the random motion of ÒÇîSpirit ParticlesÒÇì. That is why defense mechanism was able to predict the attack of holy-element. In addition, you've obtained Holy Sword technique ÒÇîMelt SlashÒÇì. 》
~ LN vol. 7​
Regardless, Hinata should have Space-Time Manipulation in her first key as well due to being able to use Disintegration, which not only was used as a main ingredient for Melt Slash, but is also obviously a weaker version of Trinity Disintegration, and the main principle of the ability couldn't be different between these two versions and seems to be more of a question about destructive potency rather than the "nature" of the ability, hence I think it's safe to assume that Disintegration has a Space-Time effect as well.
 
Sheska444 said:
Immortalgodd said:
Rimuru is actually underrated most of the time. In most sites people don't even believe Rimuru is multiversal and loses to Ainz. Tensei is a good Isekai Series. He has hax I mean soul destruction and ftl attacks were present since around ch 50 or something. Reality warping and other abilities. Rimuru is basically DS taken to 11. His battles should be fun
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lord ainz can pretty much solo anybody cuz tgoalid is unstoppable , bone daddy is an exception among exceptions
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@ImmortalGodd - Thankfully there are places like Space Battles which openly regard Rimuru as the strongest Isekai protagonist ever.


@Sheska444 - Goe please NO. I've heard that one too many times.
 
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