Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 11

[Elizhaa]

The first afterstory "Rimuru's Great Escape" has been completely translated now.

Nice, I am going to continue again from chapter 306!

 

[NeoSuperior]

Just note that the chapter numbers NU and AH are using are different from each other, so don't get confused by that.

Meanwhile I am slooooowly transcribing Rimuru's character description page from the vol. 8.5 databooks. I just get distracted too easily since it's pretty monotone work, but really, having the RAW text in copy-pastable format is probably the most important here. From there it's easier to get it translated (just GTing it already gives a rough overview for the content). I might even ask on one of the Slime discords later, but if it's already digitalized, then it'd be easier to work with.

After I transcribed Rimuru's page, I'll continue with the "Monsters and Magicules" section, because that sounds like the most interesting part. And after that, I'll check the page about Daemons. BTW, appearently there is one classification of Daemons of "3000+ years old" as a stage lower than primordials, so I think Diablo's age will probably be changed in his profile again once I (or an actual translator who understands at least some Japanese unlike me who understands almost nothing) get to it.

 

[Elizhaa]

AH and NU mean what?

That's cool. I am fine if you take your time; these type of process are better if you can enjoyed your time with them, @NeoSuperior. I am interested though if we will have an immortal statement for spiritual lifeform because in the LN; there seems to be none.

The only concrete immortal statement is about Veldora. Unlike the WN in which he explained because that has ir he is Spiritual lifeform, the LN based his Immortality on the fact that he is a true Dragon instead.

 

[Sheska444]

Really, they are?

next week fam

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Hope we get that Veldora feat translated.

 

[Elizhaa]

Hope we get that Veldora feat translated.

I mean the translation looks accurate and he is already upgraded for his after storiy key.

 

[Doomrider7]

Just note that the chapter numbers NU and AH are using are different from each other, so don't get confused by that.
Meanwhile I am slooooowly transcribing Rimuru's character description page from the vol. 8.5 databooks. I just get distracted too easily since it's pretty monotone work, but really, having the RAW text in copy-pastable format is probably the most important here. From there it's easier to get it translated (just GTing it already gives a rough overview for the content). I might even ask on one of the Slime discords later, but if it's already digitalized, then it'd be easier to work with.

After I transcribed Rimuru's page, I'll continue with the "Monsters and Magicules" section, because that sounds like the most interesting part. And after that, I'll check the page about Daemons. BTW, appearently there is one classification of Daemons of "3000+ years old" as a stage lower than primordials, so I think Diablo's age will probably be changed in his profile again once I (or an actual translator who understands at least some Japanese unlike me who understands almost nothing) get to it.

I spoke with Anejlek and asked if he might be willing to help you out and he said yes.

 

[NeoSuperior]

Sounds great. I only transcribed Rimuru's profile (not done with the side-comments for the images yet). Unfortunately it is just the information we already knew from what I could GoogleTL/Jisho out of it, so far. I'll put it onto my Sandbox (or maybe a blog) later after checking if the transcript didn't have any mistakes. Then I'll transcribe the "Monsters and Magicules" section next (but not the specific monsters), then I'll move on to the Daemons.

 

[Doomrider7]

Sounds great. I only transcribed Rimuru's profile (not done with the side-comments for the images yet). Unfortunately it is just the information we already knew from what I could GoogleTL/Jisho out of it, so far. I'll put it onto my Sandbox (or maybe a blog) later after checking if the transcript didn't have any mistakes. Then I'll transcribe the "Monsters and Magicules" section next (but not the specific monsters), then I'll move on to the Daemons.

Cool. I can leave you the link to his Discord where he talks about the translations to the Slime Spinoffs. He has mentioned he might drop Slime Diaries since it's been picked up and he doesn't want to deal with a CnD, though I don't know the full particulars.

Link Expires in 24hrs: https://discord.gg/MuczvG

 

[NeoSuperior]

Here is the transcript for Rimuru's character page from the Databook.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Interesting.

 

[NeoSuperior]

If you GoogleTL it you can a rough outline about the content. But while I was transcribing, I noticed that some content just gets skipped alltogether by GoogleTL, so an actual translation would still help. Though content-wise there doesn't seem anything new that would affect VS-Battles. One interesting thing though is that Slimes (or perhaps only Demon Slimes?) are appearently part of the "Youma"-species-branch, which is a kind of ghost/apparition in Japanese mythology.

I'll transcribe the "Monsters & Magicules" part of the Databook next. I hope we'll get something interesting from that.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I hope so too.

 

[NeoSuperior]

Good to see that Jesterly translated how the "different layers of the body work" correctly compared to the earlier MTL non-sense.

https://********.org/chapter/683338/1

 

[NeoSuperior]

So I have been thinking... should we consider magicule radiation as Radiation Manipulation, or Corruption, or Curse Manipulation or multiple of them? I have been thinking of other P&W candidates for the negative effects magicules usually have on non-monsters, but these three are the only ones that seem plausible so far.

I think there should be enough proof for a CRT at least, but this would probably result in the kind of change that would force us to edit all LN characters again, due to new resistances so I am a bit reluctant. Though the active ability itself would only be limited to those with statements about their "released aura being dangerous to the surroundings", which would probably only include those with a "demonic background" who are True Demon Lord-level, hence only Rimuru, Clayman, and Diablo (second key for all of them).

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I actually agree with this.

In Vol. 3 of the LN, in a lake near Tempest, it was so dense with magicules fish couldn't live there.

Sinilarly when Rimuru unleashed his aura around the monsters at the realization of Shion's death, the aura weakened them.

 

[Elizhaa]

So I have been thinking... should we consider magicule radiation as Radiation Manipulation, or Corruption, or Curse Manipulation or multiple of them? I have been thinking of other P&W candidates for the negative effects magicules usually have on non-monsters, but these three are the only ones that seem plausible so far.
I think there should be enough proof for a CRT at least, but this would probably result in the kind of change that would force us to edit all LN characters again, due to new resistances so I am a bit reluctant. Though the active ability itself would only be limited to those with statements about their "released aura being dangerous to the surroundings", which would probably only include those with a "demonic background" who are True Demon Lord-level, hence only Rimuru, Clayman, and Diablo (second key for all of them).

I think they are enough evidences for a CRT. I think the magicule radiation as closer Radiation Manipulation. I could help if needed; I would just handled a number of the affected profiles .

I think WN has the evidences too but I need to look harder for another CRT

 

[NeoSuperior]

Actually, there are some issues like, to take Milly's example, the monsters being "weakened" by Rimuru's magicule aura... due to a magicule deficiency. They are more susceptible to magicules due to have too few, which intuitively doesn't make sense, but I guess it makes sense if you think of magicules like deep-sea pressure or that magicules still bear the "signature" of their "owner" for some time until the magicules become "owenerless" and absorbable by others, so it's not that much of a problem.

BTW, anejlek seems to have agreed to TL the ~15 Databook pages that cover the lore which might be relevant for the LN profiles here.

But it's fine if it takes some time. I'd rather not have the spin-off TLs delayed due to my request.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Do we have the specific excerpts of this? I know one of them is in Vol. 3 of the LN, but what about the WN?

 

[NeoSuperior]

vol. 6 and 7 had several discussions about how to suppress the monster aura due to how dangerous it is, and how to keep the concentration of magicules low enough so humans can enter Tempest, and also the bit about the streets connecting to Tempest having anti-(mindless-)monster measures and crystals that effectively cap the amount of magicules present by automatically absorbing any magicule overflow that might be dangerous for regular humans.

So yea there should be more than enough evidence. I am putting that aside for now. There are several other points to add into a potential CRT like Portal Creation for Rimuru's first key.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

So, two separate CRTs, or one big huge one?

 

[Elizhaa]

Do we have the specific excerpts of this? I know one of them is in Vol. 3 of the LN, but what about the WN?

In WN, it look like there is none unlike what I thought. Chapter 86 WN is the closest on tthis topic but it only to about building magic barrier to removal the extra magical concentration because it can create monsters.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Yeah, it's LN only.

 

[Elizhaa]

Yeah, it's LN only.

I am not quite sure, yet.

I check and this statement implies too much magic is poisonous for human in WN but can work as magic recovery for weaken human magic users. It also existed in LN.

Chapter 96 WN

The knights might not be that easy to sway, but I have a feeling that this will be pretty effective. Well, white rice is my obsession though, so maybe the knights will hate it. Tempura is widely popular, with Adventurers and merchants loving it. By the way, we also tried growing some rice on magic energy-rich water. The result was a pitch black rice, as if squid ink was mixed into it. It's also unbelievably tasty. But it doesn't look very appetizing. And it's poisonous to humans. We called it demon rice, and it has a surprisingly high nutritional value (for monsters). .............................................................. Oh, and then a knight who got interested in trying the black rice put some in his mouth and screamed, ÒÇîT-this! Recovers magical energy?!ÒÇì Hmm? That wasn't a shriek I was expecting. It's supposed to be poisonous to humans, but I guess it is akin to medicine for those stronger? Actually, they were essentially exhausted a second ago, so maybe that's why. While I was thinking these things, the other knights also expressed interest in the black rice. It can't be helped, let them have it. To think that I went out of my way to make white rice and they preferred the black one…

 

[NeoSuperior]

This change actually gives a good justification for the whole anti-monster sentiment. Just by existing, monsters a danger for humans.

Imagine how the "co-existing" would have gone if Tempest didn't have its high-level tech available and if Tempest's residents weren't as loyal to Rimuru as they are. It would be nothing but a pipe-dream.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Don't think the WN gives enough, but eh. I'll stick with the LN.

 

[Elizhaa]

This change actually gives a good justification for the whole anti-monster sentiment. Just by existing, monsters a danger for humans.
Imagine how the "co-existing" would have gone if Tempest didn't have its high-level tech available and if Tempest's residents weren't as loyal to Rimuru as they are. It would be nothing but a pipe-dream.

Yes, true if the high-level tech equipments didn't exist.

 

[NeoSuperior]

I am not quite sure, yet.

I check and this statement implies too much magic is poisonous for human in WN but can work as magic recovery for weaken human magic users. It also existed in LN.

That example from the WN is only about actually eating magic-powered food, not about the atomic element that makes up all magical stuff that's freely roaming through the air.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

^

 

[Elizhaa]

I am not quite sure, yet.

I check and this statement implies too much magic is poisonous for human in WN but can work as magic recovery for weaken human magic users. It also existed in LN.

That example from the WN is only about actually eating magic-powered food, not about the atomic element that makes up all magical stuff that's freely roaming through the air.

I think I found another statement about those human without resistance to magic.

Chapter 155 WN

Quartet Spell (Fourfold Compound Magic): Arc Sanctuary (Monsters' Sanctuary)was invoked. With Moss as the lead, 4 Arc Demons scattered to four cardinal direction of the battlefield. And then, a Quartet Spell was invoked. Their act of disposing strong people previously seems to be a precaution so this large-scale magic would not be disturbed. Around here, it might be that guy who had different status than Testarossa and her group that could easily invoked large-scale annihilation magic alone. But, it didn't mean that they were weak, because that guy was a bad object to be compare with. The Arc Sanctuary has no effect on the monsters as its name suggests. However, it exhibited a lethal effect to the affected humans who were not used to magic essence. Like this time, the magicians who set up magic barrier were dead, and the strengthened human that only been strengthened in fighting power only couldn't resist it. The frightening thing was a person that couldn't resist it would have their body began disintegrating and would be transformed into magic essence immediately. Only in several minutes, all remains of the survivor has became magic essence. Thus, the first encounter with the Empire army ended.

It is another good start.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Looks good.

 

[NeoSuperior]

@Elizhaa
That seems more like Transmutation to me with the whole "body turns into magic essence" part, since no such thing happens with "normal" magic essence/magicules. On the other hand it seems awfully similar to the Holy Barrier, or more exactly it seems like the monster counterpart to it, so it might also be Law Manipulation instead.

Either way, it's too specific. There is no evidence that magic essence/magicules that fly freely in the air are any sort of danger towards the general human population.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Something I still wanna resolve. Is Magic Sense Extrasensory Perception, Enhanced Senses, or both?

 

[Elizhaa]

@Elizhaa

That seems more like Transmutation to me with the whole "body turns into magic essence" part, since no such thing happens with "normal" magic essence/magicules. On the other hand it seems awfully similar to the Holy Barrier, or more exactly it seems like the monster counterpart to it, so it might also be Law Manipulation instead.

Either way, it's too specific. There is no evidence that magic essence/magicules that fly freely in the air are any sort of danger towards the general human population.

I think I find the best one. High Concentration of Magical Power look to be able to kill humans too. It heavily impled it can as step were taken to protect the king from high magical concentration to prevent his death.

Chapter 71 WN

┬½WARNING. Leave the rest to me, please go to sleep ┬╗ A voice resonated softly within his head. The voice gave Benimaru a deep sense of security. Benimaru, guided by the voice, was led to an irresistible slumber. At the moment he was notified, Rimuru had a long hard look around to make sure no one else was up. Only Myulan was awake, looking around, taking in the unbelievable scene. With the exception of Youmu, all the other humans had already taken refuge in the emergency shelters in order to escape the high concentration of magical energy. Therefore, the only person who's still awake here is Myulan. ................... The King is confirmed to be in custody, tied up by the subordinates and then transported into the building. Due to the thick concentration of Magical energy, conditions outside the house are bad. However, due to various reasons it's still too early to kill him. He had heard that there are three escapees that are currently being pursued by the demon Rimuru summoned. And so, Ranga went to sleep with that information in mind. It seemed that he originally intended to wait for it, but in order to receive the gift, sleeping was necessary. It also seems that he was lured into an irresistible deep sleep. While watching him, ÒÇîBut, to actually become a demon lord, I thought it was just a legend……ÒÇì Grucius muttered this while releasing a sigh of admiration. The concentration of magical energy is terrible but with Youmu just outside of the town, it's still possible to converse with him. In regards to such a matter, Youmu heard nothing, not even a rumor. Even he who was familiar with backdoors, there are still events he have no knowledge about, such as the evolution of a demon lord. Rimuru Danna, a demon lord. He looked back emotionally.

The effect of high magical concentration is akin to poison/radiation to human, to me.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Alright, passive radiation/poison manipulation. But who does this scale to?

 

[Elizhaa]

Alright, passive radiation/poison manipulation. But who does this scale to?

I think resistance to Magic would scale to all monsters, in general, who should have at least resistance to Magic now as even High Concentration of Magic didn't killed them like in chapter 71 monster were still present and asleep while humans had to live the city to survive.

US already have resistance to magic so there will be no large revision needed for that from the another CRT.

I am not sure how to integrate the passive radiation/poison manipulation from magic yet but I can give my inputs on this topic later.

 

[NeoSuperior]

Yes, the WN ch. 71 statements do make the case, though as Milly said, scaling the "active" part to characters might be difficult and is perhaps only limited to True Dragons and PTD Rimuru, while the "passive" part scales to most individuals with a "demonic" affinity.

I don't think it's Resistance to Magic though because magic in most verses refers to "casted magic", so gaining resistance just from the "radiation" doesn't seem right. To use an analogy, it's like saying that someone "resists nukes" when only resisting the fallout part of it. The explosion will still shred them.

 

[NeoSuperior]

BTW, shouldn't WN Rimuru's EoS key have Cosmic Awareness due to Ciel being able to observe the entire "world" to the point of being able to make a perfect copy despite being immobilized all the time?

Actually, since Ciel was able to recreate everything at point that those around Rimuru would be alive despite them being killed by Yuuki soon after, makes me believe that even PTD Rimuru might possibly have it, since the reasoning of "Ciel only learns how to collect data on such a scale during the transitioning period" doesn't hold much water here.

 

[Elizhaa]

Yes, the WN ch. 71 statements do make the case, though as Milly said, scaling the "active" part to characters might be difficult and is perhaps only limited to True Dragons and PTD Rimuru, while the "passive" part scales to most individuals with a "demonic" affinity.
I don't think it's Resistance to Magic though because magic in most verses refers to "casted magic", so gaining resistance just from the "radiation" doesn't seem right. To use an analogy, it's like saying that someone "resists nukes" when only resisting the fallout part of it. The explosion will still shred them.

I guess it would be fine. Can you elaborate on individual with demonic affinity's meaning, though?

I guess Cosmic Awareness could be and is likely the main reason Rimuru become Nigh-Omniscient

 

[NeoSuperior]

Basically all "magicule creatures", which includes all Monsters, Majins, and Daemons, but not spirits (unless they are in "half-monster form", but not sure if the WN mentioned this as well). True Dragons have the "best out of everything", so they'd count as well. Humans are definitly not. Not sure about Dwarves, Elves, and Fairies.