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Tatsuya Suou vs Giovana Giorno, Low 2-C fight

Wait... isnt GER exist outside the concept of time ??? We've alway consider any character with that ability can travel/react at infinite speed O.O
 
I don't know if he's outside the concept of time, but he moved during erased time, it could be something as simple as hax immunity, I really don't know, but after a long discussion a while ago it was decided he doesn't have infinite speed
 
i chose tatsuya, he has to large scale hax, at most GER could defend giorno but this is it, than it is a draw ^_^
 
As much i like Tatsuya better, but i think all of his universal stats is so wrong. ThanatoSeraph said that P2 cast is Universal because they created another universe and beat up Nyarlathotep, who destroyed the Tsumi universe. But from what i've seen, these statements are not true at al. I could be wrong so please correct me if you see any flaw in my comment

I checked the universe creation feat. It's did said that they created a new reality in PS1 translation. But in the PSP version of the Innoncent Si , it's revealed that everything they did was just erased an event of the past which lead to an alternative timeline, the Batsu universe ( Which is the current Persona universe). This is also make sense, if they created another universe, why do they have to lose their memories ? because the event they erased was when they met each other.

Everyone keep saying that Nya-chan destroyed the universe but everything she/he did was wiped out every life on earth and the stars is still around. ThanatoSeraph said that in the ending of the EP, it stated that everything in the universe has been destroyed, the only thing left was the city floathing on the void, no stars nor galaxies. But i checked the EP ending , it didnt even stated such a thing, the only thing we got from the statement was "The city is showing the signs of recover" and that's it.

In my opinion, the P2 IS cast should be Planet level+ and EP cast is Multi-Planet level.

Also, nobody has ever show me an evidence why P2 cast is MFTL at all.
 
@MagiSinbad

I don't know about this. Perhaps posting it on a new thread in the Q&A board or the Content Revision board would be best.
 
Nah

I would never make a revision thread for something that i dont know. Currently on the half of the IS so wait until i finished EP to make a revision thread
 
The universe of IS is different from the universe in EP.

"Sumaru City is the main setting for Persona 2: Innocent Sin. It's a fictional Japanese seaside city composed of 5 wards. The name was taken from an in-game historical figure known as Kiyotada Sumaru, a feudal warlord who once ruled the city during the Period Of The Warring States.


It differs from its Eternal Punishment counterpart in many ways, one being that there is no Narumi Ward."

Quoting from the MegaTen Wiki, Sumaru city is different, there's no Narumi Ward in IS, while in EP there is one. Plus, various shops are changed from the place they were in in Innocent Sin, Philemon didn't just "erased" that part, he created a whole new universe with vasts differents in physical and mental (for some characters) for example, Katsuya Suou (Tatsuya's brother) is shown to be rude and brash in IS but in EP he is actually caring and kind to others,another small example can be that Yukino isn't Maya's partner anymore, and she is a Persona 1 character, she has nothing to do with the IS cast first meeting, and a few other things, such as other characters that had NOTHING to do with the IS cast meeting being alive in the EP Universe while in the IS they're dead.

Referring to the "The city is showing the signs of recover" line, it's simple, during EP part of the city was lifted by the Ameno Torifune(but got back down when Nyarly was banished, since he can't be killed), causing destruction and the dissapeareance of various places, that's why the city is recovering, because it basically flooded and various wards were destroyed.

About the MFTL feat... The Persona 2 cast were able to hit both Philemon and Nyarlatothep (both are omnipresent beings, hell, Tatsuya punched Philemon right in the face, leaving him a visible bruise, and it was /just/ a jab.)


Also, proof of Nyarly destroying everything in the other side (IS)

http://imgur.com/1k6NaKG

Tatsuya from the Other Side separatting from This Side Tatsuya, and going back to the Sea of Souls (which connects boths universes), proving that it didn't just "erased an event" but different entities, Plus, the memories of Lisa and Eikichi CAN be restored via the Sea Of Souls due to Nyarlatothep tricking them to remember.

http://imgur.com/OF8sire
 
Well, that look enough to be a universe creation feat o3o thank ! btw :3

I gotta ask the admins how do we rate the characters who fight with the Omnipresent beings =3=

Also, about Nyar destroyed everything on "The Other Side" image. The "We'll build a great world" make it sound like : only the people in his city was able to survive the destruction of the earth. Because... how the hell do they even build a "world" when there are only the city left ???

Heh, but i think this doesnt matter anymore, since the universe creation is already good enough. So yeah, my vote goes to Tatsuya.

Any objection on this result ? if not then i will tell A6olute to add this match to Tatsuya's and Giorno's profile
 
If Gio didn't got the recent GER nerf he would've had stalemated, RIP donut haired boy.

About the great world thingie, trust me, he was exaggerating, he becomes rather "brooding" in EP, everything got ******* destroyed.

Regarding the Omnipresent stuff, i scaled it from other SMT characters that can do that, (Demi tagging Metatron, Raidou tagging Sandalphon etc) so i think it's safe to say that he is at least MFTL.
 
^Miscalculation, dude o3o

Tatsuya : 5

-Curiouswatcher

-Blahblahblah

-Me

-Raiho

-GreatestSin

GioGio : 0

anyway. Look like we had settled the match then
 
About the great world thingie, trust me, he was exaggerating, he becomes rather "brooding" in EP, everything got ******* destroyed.

I'm highly doubt that o3o but i havent finished P2 duology yet so i dont have much to say =3=


Regarding the Omnipresent stuff, i scaled it from other SMT characters that can do that, (Demi tagging Metatron, Raidou tagging Sandalphon etc) so i think it's safe to say that he is at least MFTL.

Omnipresent >>>>>>> Immersurable>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MFTL++++

So yeah

I am neutral.

Cool ! then which side is Chaos and Law ? :3
 
Wait if you take it like this, I am Chaos!

But if we look at them.... Giogio is Chaos-ish but I don't know for Tatsuya...
 
Oh my god... It's true ! I'm a lawfag ;-; *Grab the holy cross and read the bible*

Joke aside, Tatsuya win this fight. Is there anyone disargree with this result ?

If not then i will tell A6olute to close the thread and add this match in Tatsuya's win and GioGio's lose
 
It definately does Faisal.

Giorno should stomp in this matchup though. Tatsuya has no way of causing any damage to GER now and is left vulnerable to GER's action,willpower and LOD punch (loop of death). Also that GER has shown itself being 4D while Tatsuya is only a 3D being.
 
Seeing how apparently the whole reason Tatsuya won was due to something related to the reaction speed of GER I agree with Giorno winning due to the "Infinite Speed" upgrade
 
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