Tatsumaki and Psykos Upgrade

[KingTempest]

We have had several threads this year about upscaling.

Some even consider 1.2x too big.

A 1.3x upscale seems way too high.

 

[Urshani]

Yes, you need staff approval to pass a CRT.

getting someone else then

 

[Nierre]

Some even consider 1.2x too big.

Wow

 

[Urshani]

We have had several threads this year about upscaling.

Some even consider 1.2x too big.

A 1.3x upscale seems way too high.

So you're telling me that 1.3x is too big when a 10-A punching a 10-B with all of their strength isn't a oneshot despite a 3x AP gap?

Dude.

There is no ******* way that small differences in power like that would result in one-shots. Show me ONE example of 1.2x differences being a one shot in OPM.

 

[EmilioRory10]

How big can a 31% be?

Orochi was one-shotted by Saitama, yet after fusing with Psykos he thought he'd be able to defeat Saitama.

If Psykorochi doesn't get Low 5-B at least Tatsumaki should

 

[Magmag]

We have had several threads this year about upscaling.

Some even consider 1.2x too big.

A 1.3x upscale seems way too high.

Not gonna say if Tats needs to be upscaled or stay but if you beat someone who went from moon level+ to an even stronger form to another stronger granting of power, 1.3x is like very small. 5x is even small but that an extremely dumb upscaling.

 

[Bernkastelll]

We have had several threads this year about upscaling.

Some even consider 1.2x too big.

A 1.3x upscale seems way too high.

1.3x is really really small, even small than the difference of a 10-B to 10-A, and 10-B to 10-A is a 3x gap minimum, and people don't 1 hit 1 kill people constantly IRL

 

[Sus]

appeal to authority

this isn't actually an appeal to authority, although you're a digimon fan so u can say whatever u want

 

[Urshani]

1.3x is really really small, even small than the difference of a 10-B to 10-A, and 10-B to 10-A is a 3x gap minimum, and people don't 1 hit 1 kill people constantly IRL

would this mean one shots would be by default more than 3x gaps from verses? i don't think so.

 

[EmilioRory10]

would this mean one shots would be by default more than 3x gaps from verses? i don't think so.

no but 1.3 is too small to not be considered when it comes to one-shotting

 

[Vizer04]

would this mean one shots would be by default more than 3x gaps from verses? i don't think so.

Case by case situation, on this case the massive gap is blatantly obvious. Even if Psykos doesn't get the Low 5-B upgrade, Tatsumaki definitely should.

 

[Sus]

Orochi was one-shotted by Saitama, yet after fusing with Psykos he thought he'd be able to defeat Saitama.

and he obviously can't, i still agree, but this isn't a justification

 

[Bernkastelll]

would this mean one shots would be by default more than 3x gaps from verses? i don't think so.

No, it just means that upscaling a 1,3x gap is not ''WOAH WTF THE GAP IS TOO MUCH WHAT A BUNCH OF WANKERS''

 

[EmilioRory10]

and he obviously can't, i still agree, but this isn't a justification

How is it not a justification?

It's something like this:

Psykorochi>Saitama (According to Orochi after being one-shotted)>Orochi's Gaia Cannon>Orochi (the calc that is only 1.31x away from Low 5-B)

 

[Damage3245]

No, it just means that upscaling a 1,3x gap is not ''WOAH WTF THE GAP IS TOO MUCH WHAT A BUNCH OF WANKERS''

Nice strawman quotation.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Nice strawman quotation.

When did I did the strawman fallacy? mind showing?

 

[Vizer04]

Nice strawman quotation.

How is that a strawman?

 

[KingTempest]

So you're telling me that 1.3x is too big when a 10-A punching a 10-B with all of their strength isn't a oneshot despite a 3x AP gap?

Dude.

There is no ******* way that small differences in power like that would result in one-shots. Show me ONE example of 1.2x differences being a one shot in OPM.

Show me evidence that a canonical 1.3x amp is the minimum for a one shot in this verse.

Like our One Shot page says

In order for a one-shot to happen, Fighter A's attack must have an Attack Potency that's quite above Fighter B's Durability. The gap needed to qualify varies from verse to verse, which makes a one-shot from a VS Battles standpoint very hard to determine. What can be certain is that if Fighter A is in a different tier than Fighter B (ex: Fighter A is Planet level and Fighter B is Moon level), then most likely, Fighter A can one-shot the opponent.

I've seen verses where less than 1.5x can one shot.
I've seen verses where over 20x can't one shot.
I've seen verses where a 2x multiplier can turn a stomp around.

You're trying to gague inverse mechanics for one shotting to the average regular ass person oneshotting another regular person when there's many factors to it.

Not gonna say if Tats needs to be upscaled or stay but if you beat someone who went from moon level+ to an even stronger form to another stronger granting of power, 1.3x is like very small. 5x is even small but that an extremely dumb upscaling.

It's small to you.

The difference between baseline Moon level+ and Small Planet is less than 2x, yet they are 2 completely different tiers with much stronger people inbetween it. OPM isn't different.

Everybody here is saying "1.3 is too small yadayadayada" and we even have fallacy callers in here.

All I see is an argument from belief. Yall are gonna have to change the site standards if you want a 1.3x upscale gap.

 

[Urshani]

We have had several threads this year about upscaling.

Some even consider 1.2x too big.

A 1.3x upscale seems way too high.

As I said, get more staff opinions in here. I'm not going to change my vote just because a bunch of OPM fans aren't happy.

strawman? we weren't strawmanning.

 

[KingTempest]

strawman? we weren't strawmanning.

You quoted the wrong person, I never claimed a soul in here was strawmanning

 

[Urshani]

Show me evidence that a canonical 1.3x amp is the minimum for a one shot in this verse.

I asked you first. You provide the proof.

 

[Nierre]

Why would King need to show proof?

The burden of the proof is on the OP.

 

[KingTempest]

I asked you first. You provide the proof.

I don't need to provide proof for a site standard.

That's like asking me to provide proof that mach 1 is 343 m/s in the verse.

I'm quoting things accepted on the wiki.
You need to prove them wrong, or else it's a moot argument.

 

[Bernkastelll]

The difference between baseline Moon level+ and Small Planet is less than 2x, yet they are 2 completely different tiers with much stronger people inbetween it. OPM isn't different.

Wrong, baseline moon = 29.6 Exaton
baseline small planet = 433 Exatons, how is it less than 2x?[

edited: i didnt read the +, ignore this

 

[EmilioRory10]

Nice strawman quotation.

Is exaggeration really strawman?

 

[KingTempest]

Wrong, baseline moon = 29.6 Exaton
baseline small planet = 433 Exatons, how is it less than 2x?

Baseline moon level+, not baseline moon level.

Moon level+ is 231.3 exatons

edited: i didnt read the +, ignore this

oof

 

[Urshani]

Nice strawman quotation.

^

 

[Bernkastelll]

Baseline moon level+, not baseline moon level.

Moon level+ is 231.3 exatons

I noticed the + after a while, my bad

 

[Bernkastelll]

Also, we do the same thing to Narutoverse, their Low 5-B is due upscaling 5-C+

 

[EmilioRory10]

Also, we do the same thing to Narutoverse, their Low 5-B is due upscaling 5-C+

That's different, in Naruto there are "multipliers", and the difference is 6%, not 30%

 

[Damage3245]

strawman? we weren't strawmanning.

I didn't say you were. I quoted one specific post.

 

[Bernkastelll]

That's different, in Naruto there are "multipliers"

there is no multiplier making them reach Low 5-B, as Baryon Mode does not have a multiplier

I didn't say you were. I quoted one specific post.

Show where did the strawman thing was done

 

[Urshani]

I didn't say you were. I quoted one specific post.

WE

 

[KingTempest]

Also, we do the same thing to Narutoverse, their Low 5-B is due upscaling 5-C+

Their value from upscaling is from 398.5 Exatons, which is 1.086x the next tier, so much closer than the 1.3x stuff I'm seeing here

 

[Bernkastelll]

Their value from upscaling is from 398.5 Exatons, which is 1.086x the next tier, so much closer than the 1.3x stuff I'm seeing here

but there is no proof that baryon mode does closes that gap

 

[EmilioRory10]

there is no multiplier making them reach Low 5-B, as Baryon Mode does not have a multiplier

It's from Majestic Attire Susano'o.
They scale to 398.5 exatons each, 398.5 (Kurama Avatar)+398.5 (Susano'o) = 797 (Majestic Attire Susano'o), Baryon Mode scales to Majestic Attire Susano'o (the reasoning is linked in the profiles)

 

[Urshani]

Their value from upscaling is from 398.5 Exatons, which is 1.086x the next tier, so much closer than the 1.3x stuff I'm seeing here

Now, I'm not a math guy myself, but how much bigger is 1.3 than 1.086? Doesn't seem that much to me.

 

[KingTempest]

but there is no proof that baryon mode does closes that gap

It scales to Isshiki which destroyed their strongest forms with a single hit in it's weakened state prior to a ridiculously high transformation.

Now, I'm not a math guy myself, but how much bigger is 1.3 than 1.086? Doesn't seem that much to me.

Not that much bigger until you're multiplying numbers in the exaton range by it.

Multipliers explains it good

Aside from such considerations, if it comes to techniques which divide the power of an opponents attacks by something or multiplies the strength of an allies attacks feats will be necessary, regarding what the strongest attacks are for which this works. The reason for that can be easily seen by example: Doubling the power of a 10 Tons of TNT attack requires just the addition of further 10 Tons of TNT. Doubling the power of a 100 Tons of TNT attack requires adding 100 Tons of TNT on the other hand. That means doing that for the 100 Tons of TNT attack requires a far more powerful technique.

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

I can agree with Tatsumaki being Low 5-B, but I think Psykorochi should just be at least 5-C+. Released Boros who has a statement that puts him as much stronger than Orochi is only rated at 5-C+. I don't think Psykorochi has enough evidence to upscale that much, the fusion is just unquantifiably stronger than regular Orochi.

 

[Bernkastelll]

It scales to Isshiki which destroyed their strongest forms with a single hit in it's weakened state prior to a ridiculously high transformation.

still no proof of closing the gap, the argument is the same, but it seems that they upscale from the majestic attire, which closes the gap, as it merges the power of both naruto and sasuke, which is fine