Tales of a Tier 2 Nasuverse

[GalaxianAegis]

A friend recently sent this image to me, and I think that it's pretty interesting.

https://imgur.com/a/INmUP

Tamamo in her second interlude in Grand Order states that as she gains tails, she would become a monster capable of destroying the entire multiverse. She further clarifies afterwards that this is not an exaggeration at all. Here's a link to the interlude in its totality: https://youtu.be/E3OZU2STX5Y

As far as I can tell, Tamamo is of course referring to her origin of Amaterasu. That makes the most sense regarding the other information we know about her as well.

Could this be a potential upgrade to Tier 2-C or 2-B for the god tiers? I'd appreciate input from fellow members and staff on how to interpret this.

 

[Reppuzan]

This is... frighteningly straightforward.

The problem is that this seems extremely outlierish, given that Divine Spirits like Amaterasu were scared of Velber.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

• desperately wishes for Tier 2*

It does seem very outlierish though.

What power statements does Velber have?

 

[GalaxianAegis]

Well from what I heard on another thread from Kami, I think, Amaterasu wasn't among the gods that were dominated by the White Titan.

However, Tamamo does state in Extella that she thinks that Amaterasu would be capable of dealing with Velber. However, she doesn't want to ask for help because she doesn't get along with her origin.

 

[Reppuzan]

Fair enough.

But it still doesn't change the fact that the Velber only enter the Milky Way every 14,000 years rather than being multiverse busters.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I agree with Repp here,this is kinda too straightforward.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Sorry, that seems non sequitur

How does the schedule of their entry relate to their strength?

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

I'm sorry I don't agree with the upgrade too but what is the problem with straightforward statements?

 

[Reppuzan]

@Rein

There's nothing wrong with it, but it's just shockingly blatant.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It is an outlier. And also just an unproven statement. Tamamo is not the brightest or most reliable person.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Matt

To be fair, I'm pretty sure the avatar of Amaterasu would know the power of the actual Amaterasu.

It doesn't change the fact that it's an outlier, but calling her misinformed is misleading.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I'm sure she knows her own power, but it's also in her character to be exaggerated and silly.

 

[Reppuzan]

She's being extremely serious here though and she doesn't bring up the topic of her tails lightly.

 

[GalaxianAegis]

A theme of the interlude is that she's quite concerned about the power that she would attain. I think she's serious, but if this is deemed an outlier then that's pretty much it.

 

[Schnee_One]

Favorite servant makes a Tier 2 statement, now that's kinda funny.

But of course yeah, as pretty much mentioned by everyone it is an outlier.

That said I do have a small question about a possible upgrade for three tails tamamo if it's okay to bring it up here.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Yeah,i heard 3rd tail Tamamo will be upgraded to high 7-A here by Ram.

 

[GalaxianAegis]

Well that makes sense given that her growth with the tails she gains is exponential.

 

[Schnee_One]

^Kinda yeah

Basically, she's physically as strong as seven A Rank servants, a single A rank servant can block a 375 megaton blast

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

I disagree, that's just NA translations.

Here is the Chaldeum version

Tamamo: Yes. If I become stronger, my tails increase. That said, how should I put it… After I've gained more tails, I'll become someone far removed from the person I am now… Yes, to put it bluntly, I'd be a great monster that's said to destroy three thousand worlds or somesuch.

Roman: Seriously?

Tamamo-no-Mae: Yes, it's no metaphor. It would approach one of the Three Great Calamities, a monster of apocalyptic proportions.

I think this is more accurate as the three thousand worlds is a reference to Buddhism which matches with the whole Shingo Buddhism that Nasu is going for. Also I have never seen a discussion that talks about Tamamo and a multiverse so it's more than likely just a NA translation thing.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Wait, so you disagree with the OP or you disagree with the people disagreeing with the OP?

Because destroying 3000 worlds, even if we take that to only mean planets, would still be... probably only Large Planet level

NEVER MIND ME I JUST CAN'T CALC

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

I disagree with the OP.

 

[Kaltias]

3000 Earth-like planets is 5-A yes

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Righty oh

What's this about 3000 planets linking to Shingo Bhuddism?

 

[ZERO7772]

I share the same opinion with @Reppuzan here, I am not Nasuverse expert but it seems he's talking seriously about her power here

It still look like Outlier though

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

@Monarch It's a term in Buddhism and as Tamamo is super important in Shingon Buddhism so it would make sense that they reference it. Shingon Buddhism also seems to be what Nasu is going for with the Buddha's as seen in Extra mats, Tamamo's route I think and Kiara's sect.

 

[ALRF]

Even if we take into the question 3,000 "worlds". Are we sure "It is 3000 worlds"?

In Buddhism, the Three Thousand Worlds refer to multiplying four numbers.

• 10 Worlds

• Another 10 worlds

• 10 Factors of life

• 3 Realms of existence

The three realms referes to the body,mind and yadada stuffu. So technically, it's only 100 hundred worlds

 

[Kaltias]

I mean to be fair.

Anything above 45 up to 896.350 planets like Earth is 5-A.

100 or 3000 planets both support 5-A but are lower than the calced feat

 

[Schnee_One]

^Kinda yeah

Basically, she's physically as strong as seven A Rank servants, a single A rank servant can block a 375 megaton blast

^

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The 3000 Worlds of Buddhism are universes. It's still an outlier.

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

Eh not really an outlier. As the entire thing just boils down to calling her a World Destroying Evil Demon with Nine Tails that is comparable to "Solomon" not that she is some multiverse buster.

 

[The_Everlasting]

I'm really, really not seeing the outlier when Amaterasu is a god-tier of the verse that only like, one character is comparable to.

 

[GalaxianAegis]

I believe it's more than one character. Types would be above her, I think.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I'm really, really not seeing the outlier when Amaterasu is a god-tier of the verse that only like, one character is comparable to.

Making Amaterasu randomly Multiversal when all God-Tier feats in the series are barely 5-A outside of literally one or two, one of which is from Amaterasu herself, is absurd.

It's the definition of an Outlier.

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

Based on what?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Making 5-A / 4-B characters ramdomly become 2-B based on a single statement with no proof behind it aside from her own word is something that won't be done.

 

[The_Everlasting]

It's not "randomly" when she has an absurdly cut and dry statementthst she explicitly says is not an exaggeration.

Also 5-A feats are just as consistent as this. I.E. there being only one.

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

Again the interlude is only saying that Tamamo with Nine Tails is a World Destroying Evil that is comparable to Goetia. The Three Thousand Worlds is just a reference to Buddhism while hyping up Tamamo and Goetia to be World Destroyers. That's it.

 

[Schnee_One]

She IS stated to exist outside the axis of time

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It's not "randomly" when she has an absurdly cut and dry statementthst she explicitly says is not an exaggeration.
Also 5-A feats are just as consistent as this. I.E. there being only one.

Her statement has no proof behind it. It's meaningless and unproven. Also it would scale to literally dozens of characters who are only 5-A / 4-B via scaling too.

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

The statement is a bad translation and is out of context. This is just like 90% of all Nasuverse upgrade attempts, someone takes something out of context and it becomes wank.