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Superman vs sans
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Or having your SOUL removed and put into the battle box doesn’t kill you, the simple option
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Or maybe you're just conflating a basic battle style shift with literal soul rip 
But ok, prove Sans can target and TK a soul that isn't already ripped from the body, because according to you, the soul actually gets automatically ripped at the start of every battle, meaning Sans has never actually targeted and TK'd a soul that wasn't already out in the open.
But ok, prove Sans can target and TK a soul that isn't already ripped from the body, because according to you, the soul actually gets automatically ripped at the start of every battle, meaning Sans has never actually targeted and TK'd a soul that wasn't already out in the open.
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…..the soul would just come out when the battle starts? I don’t know what you’re getting at here this time. Its even explicitly shown in undertale that SOULs can live without their body, and as Kris shows, a human can still live without their SOUL.Or maybe you're just conflating a basic battle style shift with literal soul rip
But ok, prove Sans can target and TK a soul that isn't already ripped from the body, because according to you, the soul actually gets automatically ripped at the start of every battle, meaning Sans has never actually targeted and TK'd a soul that wasn't already out in the open.
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The fact you think that because they "fight" with their souls in Undertale, that they actually separate the souls, is hilarious.
As some others mentioned, it's simply aesthetic.
Whether they can live with or without their soul in their body doesn't matter, they don't actually pull the soul out because if that was the case they would also need to destroy the body. I don't know what y'all think the body of said person does when they're " fighting with their soul " honestly.
As some others mentioned, it's simply aesthetic.
Whether they can live with or without their soul in their body doesn't matter, they don't actually pull the soul out because if that was the case they would also need to destroy the body. I don't know what y'all think the body of said person does when they're " fighting with their soul " honestly.
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Except it’s blatantly shown in multiple cutscenes that a human can just detach from their soul, and that the soul moves independently from its vessel when in a battle
You in particular have not played undertale or deltarune, so I can see why you wouldn’t be able to produce good arguments, so I’d suggest letting chariot
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Just because they can doesn't mean that's what's happening lad.
If you look closely, you can see at the start of every battle, the soul and Frisk's body flickers in and out, back and forth, before settling on the soul for the duration of the fight.
All it is is showing the soul for gameplay battle purposes, the soul isn't being ripped out lmao, it's an abstraction, the body is still there, or do you think the body teleports out of existence temporarily too?
And as said, if you actually want to go this route, I'm going to have to ask for proof that Sans can soul tk a soul that isn't out in the open.
If you look closely, you can see at the start of every battle, the soul and Frisk's body flickers in and out, back and forth, before settling on the soul for the duration of the fight.
All it is is showing the soul for gameplay battle purposes, the soul isn't being ripped out lmao, it's an abstraction, the body is still there, or do you think the body teleports out of existence temporarily too?
And as said, if you actually want to go this route, I'm going to have to ask for proof that Sans can soul tk a soul that isn't out in the open.
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which is why we look to deltarune for a less ambiguous visualization, which has a clear showing of the soul being completely separate from kris themselves as they battle, rather than it being the other way around
and also, trickery like in the sans fight where the soul pushes the battle box and having to manually press the fight button show that the battle area is clearly not just for presentation, it really is just the soul performing these actions separate from the body
And as we know, undertale game mechanics are canon.
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Also I should point out that the soul can literally fly, since mettaton’s little umbrellas and tsundereplane’s attacks show that the battle box is actually going upwards rather than forwards
and frisk can’t fly, so
and frisk can’t fly, so
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I don't see why this is even relevant if Superman can still move his body especially if he does it in time to kill Sans.
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which would really just end in an incon
which as I explained, I can't vote for at the moment
and no blitzing when speed's equalized either, so
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Superman claps his hands and Sans goes night night
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sans wills a bone at superman and he goes die
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No ******* way that Superman doesn't have a single resistance against soulhax
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Ok now prove it applies to Undertale despite the very blatant fact the two games show it differently.
I'm aware that isn't, but I'm arguing that the body and the soul occupy the same space, and if it doesn't, you realize this is the most dogshit TK ever right? It wouldn't even effect the body, you're basically arguing the soul and body are actually occupying different spaces, aka literally nothing, at all, is stopping the body from still moving.
Though I'm going to have to ask you to prove Sans' TK can effect a soul that isn't inherently out in the open, given that's what you're arguing now, so prove that, otherwise we have no reason to think he can target and TK a soul that's contained within a body.
Some, some game mechanics are, not all, though I'm not talking about game mechanics, I'm talking about literal art abstraction here.
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I mean, Supes wouldn't kill Sans?
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Superman senses the displacement of atoms and chuckles, the chuckle obliterates the bone in question before it even finishes manifesting.
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I think Sans' bones are intangible, so not sure if that'll work
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well the wiki already accepted deltarune and undertale as having the same player, understandable when given the vast amount of evidence supporting it, and the player is of course very heavily represented by the SOUL
And I'm saying that the soul would be dragged into the battle box the moment the fight starts, not that sans can affect a SOUL that's not currently in a battle
also again, the whole flying soul thing, so...
unrelated but can't wait for the day when we accept deltarune's mechanics as semi-canon as well, gonna be awesome when we get spamton downscaling from an endgame mountain level feat or something
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Also, even if we assume that Sans could hit Sups faster, this match could not be added due to the speed rules, as well as several others involving Sans.
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sans' first attacks aren't even gaster blaster until the end, so "major reason" criteria isn't really met there
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That would literally only leave the Undertale vs Undertale fights lel
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Undertale and Deltarune are confirmed as different universes iirc
Also I find it hilarious that people talk about game mechanics being canon, the same game mechanics in other games like Mario have Mario getting hurt by Goombas and what not.
I think he did and they had to change the key
It's not will, and even if it is he'd have to TK him which requires arm movement.
Also I find it hilarious that people talk about game mechanics being canon, the same game mechanics in other games like Mario have Mario getting hurt by Goombas and what not.
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You didn't prove it. You're bringing up an unrelated false equivalence, that doesn't actually effect anything in this conversation, you know how I know that? Because this isn't at all reflected on any of the UT profiles.
Prove it, you're basically saying every monster in UT has inherent soul rip powers, which is laughable at best, that automatically souls rip any enemy they face.
Ignoring the fact I'm not buying this to begin with, that sure as **** wouldn't be covered by verse equalization if it's an automatic process, and it sure as hell ain't an ability they have otherwise it'd actually be on the profiles for every character.
Not good, enough prove he actually can.
would be kinda based ngl
Supes has NPI himself anyway so it wouldn't matter.
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UT has lore for game mechanics being canon, it's a feature, like LOVE, stats, Save states, item boxes, etc are all actually canon stuff and even plot points.
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We really gotta give every monster some Law Manip
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This is actually gonna **** a lot of matchs
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Sure, but I doubt the soul being separated is canon, at least not in UT.
Either way it doesn't stop people from using their body so eh
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not the point I was making
the wiki accepts the player profile of undertale and deltarune as the same
tl;dr, play undertale
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Player_(Undertale)?so=search is what I'm basing this stuff off of
I would prefer if we actually ****** verse equalization rather than continuing with sans matches like this since undertale is obviously a verse that is uniquely reliant on its abnormal universe mechanics.
I mean, sans literally strategizes around abusing the fact that his turn can last forever as a counter to the player being able to respawn after every death, already showing him using the battle system itself as one of his strategies despite it not actually being an ability he directly has
Confused here, are you saying that I'm saying that frisk can fly? Or are you saying that the SOUL can't fly.
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well it's pretty clear cut when it comes to deltarune
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Is he forgetting that this isn't a game 
Sans isn't doing stuff like abusing his turns and what not in real life
Sans isn't doing stuff like abusing his turns and what not in real life
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exactlyIs he forgetting that this isn't a game
Sans isn't doing stuff like abusing his turns and what not in real life
which is why undertale matches aren't fun to think about on a deeper level, and the equalization rules kinda leave everyone screwed over and kinda misrepresented
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Not until he gets Law ManipIs he forgetting that this isn't a game
Sans isn't doing stuff like abusing his turns and what not in real life
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What is TK?
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