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So should Superboy-Prime have a Low 1-C key now after what he did to the darkest knight.
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Superboy-Prime Upgrades - Also Spoilers Probably
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Probably. Although, we do know that TBWL loves the whole "this was all according to my plan" thing, so maybe we should wait a while? The fight itself seems pretty legit, as he seemingly turned down the option to absorb his energy. I guess you could argue TBWL didn't try/want to kill SBP, but at best that would prove that he doesn't upscale, as he still was beating him up. So, at the moment I'd say probably, but I think we might want to wait it out.
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yeah lets wait for june 5th after that we will have our answeres
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O approve. He beat up BatKek something fierce and BatKek acknowledged he had no way of killing Prime.
The issue was fantastic by the way, I never expected to get so invested in Superboy Prime and actually cheer for him.
The issue was fantastic by the way, I never expected to get so invested in Superboy Prime and actually cheer for him.
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Probably, but I think it's been agreed that we'll wait for the next issue to make sure this is legit.
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question, did prime destroy unviverses or planets? also, was the destruction due to him killing(not really) the darkest knight since he never did it directly?
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Prime is implied to be stronger than the Anti-Monitor and Godhead Darkseid too since his Retcon Punch in an earlier issue somehow freed the members of the Justice League from dying at their hands.
In this issue he also destroyed the Darkest Knight's Last 52 universes with his Retcon Punches, instead creating a new universe where he is alive with his loved ones and has his powers again.
Basically it seems that at the moment Prime embraced heroism and decided to finally act as Superman, he became strong enough to defeat a multiversal threat.
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naww reading it again I don't think they were universes, but I do agree that prime>monitor brothers, darkseid and even perpetua but not the darkest knight, not saying he's weaker in power considering he won the fight, just that he can't permanently kill the darkest knight
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Will this be apply to Post-Crisis Superboy-Prime, or it will be limited to his new Rebirth incarnation?
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also em shouldn't the batswholols have a possibly 1-A key since he basicly has the exact same powers as doctor manhatten(he also abosrbed the crisis energy to beef him self up) and he also killed prepetua with the use of the source wall remenants
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I think it will just be for Rebirth. I know he's still the same character, but the difference in power is very apparent.
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They literally said they were universes in the issue.
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Also this, tier 2 or maybe even tier 1 wonder woman upgrade incoming????
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I'm assuming she already defeated Darkseid to be there fighting BatKek.
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Perpetua does blow up a universe and then says "I have to recharge" but then in the same arc she defeats the Ultra-Monitor, BatKek destroys Hypertime with his presence, consumes the Speed Force, and shakes the Sphere of the Gods and manipulates the fabric of the Source Wall, and also Superboy Prime is rewriting reality with every punch and Darkseid is just there and is a minion.
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That just means they are all universal haha
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I am also fine with an extra key for Superboy-Prime. Backscaling to all characters that ever gave him a hard time seems unreliable though.
I also liked the story for a change btw. I think that it is thematically fitting to finally try to redeem him, given that the main point of this story is to underline that the people that SBP was created to mock and satirise have a valid point in that constantly retconning continuity and turning it wantonly dark and edgy makes the readers lose interest in the characters, due to that the settings and the characters turn incoherent, hollow, and pointless, without any sense of history to draw upon.
I also liked the story for a change btw. I think that it is thematically fitting to finally try to redeem him, given that the main point of this story is to underline that the people that SBP was created to mock and satirise have a valid point in that constantly retconning continuity and turning it wantonly dark and edgy makes the readers lose interest in the characters, due to that the settings and the characters turn incoherent, hollow, and pointless, without any sense of history to draw upon.
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Yes for giving Superboy prime a low 1-C key
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I agree with Low 1-C
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I suppose so.
Anyway, is somebody willing to properly apply this please?
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Would any of you be interested in helping out?
Anyway, is somebody willing to properly apply this please?
@Zensum @C2_of_Omegon @Eficiente @Qawsedf234 @Sandman31 @SuperAPM @Firestorm808 @Elizio33 @EmperorRorepme @Hykuu @LuciferDC099 @Newendigo
Would any of you be interested in helping out?
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I could possibly add it. Although, I remember another thread mentioning a different feat to support Low 1-C, so are we just scaling off of TDK or using that too?
However, I'd still recommend waiting until the next issue comes out to be safe.
However, I'd still recommend waiting until the next issue comes out to be safe.
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What do the rest of you think about his retcon punch, and should other characters scale from his Low 1-C statistic, or should we consider them fighting him as plot-induced stupidity? Also, what about pre-Crisis Superman?
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This is what I was referring to; not something on SBP's part changing, but something on TDK's.
I think we should just make a new key for it and not have others scale. Characters that fought him, even while amped, like Monarch clearly weren't Low 1-C imo.
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What other characters?
As for Pre-Crisis Superman obviously disagree. Prime is a Meta-Aware character who can manipulate the continuity because he is representative of a comicbook fan. His powers shouldn't scale to other Pre-Crisis dudes.
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Also, I think it makes perfect sense narratively for Prime to suddenly be way stronger than he ever was now that he is fighting for good and for a hopeful future. DC and specially Scott Snyder loves doing these things where a character motivated by hope or justice goes beyond all his limitations and defeats the far stronger villain because "Heroes prevail in the end".
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should probably wait till death metal 7 for more context on how bwl survived
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Fair question. The Low 1-C seems very arbitrary. He's only displayed either 1-A or 2-A feats. The only Low 1-C feat that I can think of is that he did some Sphere of the Gods shenanigans that could maybe be interpreted as Low 1-C. But he has more showings as 2-A or 1-A, choosing Low 1-C is very weird.
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