Super Mario General Discussion Thread.

[XXKINGXX69]

But when does it travel though time? The whole game takes place in the same universe in the same time period and it only travels between different galaxies.

Mario surviving the void (And not even the complete void which he can't survive without the hearts) is a durability/ee resistance feat not a speed feat, and Super Mario Kun is it's own thing and not canon to the main game series.

When it flies through galaxies, it flies through time

And no, its the full Void, and he survived it in base. Mario from the games can transform into his Super Mario Kun form, and in super mario kun, he states he is the same as the one from the games

 

[PsychoSSF2]

When it flies through galaxies, it flies through time

And no, its the full Void, and he survived it in base. Mario from the games can transform into his Super Mario Kun form, and in super mario kun, he states he is the same as the one from the games

Unrelated, but... what about Ninja, Shirma, and Chroma during the Mario Sports spin-offs? Thanks to the two ships they have on them (the Rainbow Ship & the Star Ship), the speed feats they can pull off are pretty absurd. I know they count as Final Fantasy characters and that the gateway to the Final Fantasy universe that lies in Monstro Town was blocked off after Mario defeated Culex, but due to random plot holes, Ninja and two characters from Chocobo Racing somehow made it to Mario's world and... never bothered to return home after Sports Mix. So I think they technically count as Mario characters now regardless of the fact that they're originally Final Fantasy characters.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Unrelated, but... what about Ninja, Shirma, and Chroma during the Mario Sports spin-offs? Thanks to the two ships they have on them (the Rainbow Ship & the Star Ship), the speed feats they can pull off are pretty absurd. I know they count as Final Fantasy characters and that the gateway to the Final Fantasy universe that lies in Monstro Town was blocked off after Mario defeated Culex, but due to random plot holes, Ninja and two characters from Chocobo Racing somehow made it to Mario's world and... never bothered to return home after Sports Mix. So I think they technically count as Mario characters now regardless of the fact that they're originally Final Fantasy characters.

Piranha plant is high 1-A in SPM

 

[PsychoSSF2]

Piranha plant is high 1-A in SPM

That doesn't answer my question, but OK...

 

[XXKINGXX69]

1. Absolute Zero (Ice Flower), Absorption (Life draining moves in RPGs), limited Abstract Existence (Is so skilled at jumping that he can become one with his jump, when he's a Podoboo he takes on their physiology), Acausality (1, 3, 4, 5, at different times and with saves and stuff), Accelerated Development, Acid Manipulation (Lemon Thing), Acrobatics, Acupuncture (Mario performed acupuncture on Bowser), Adaptation, Adhesive Manipulation (Sticky Oil, other things), Afterimage Creation (Creates afterimages as Rainbow Mario, other abilities also create them), limited Age Manipulation (On himself), Air Manipulation, Analytical Prediction (With certain Badges and Partners/Followers), Animal Manipulation (Animal Things), Antimatter Manipulation (He can cause Big Bangs with Power Stars and various artifacts), Aquatic Respiration, Astral Projection (Cappy), Astroremkinesis (Various meteor and star-based attacks), Athletic Human Physical Characteristics (When he's actually that weak), Attack Negation (Superguard), Attack Reflection (Superguard), Aura, Automatic Translation (Via Tippi), Avatar Creation (The Player is an extension of Mario), Berserker Mode (Mario gets stronger and can transform into Metal Mario from rage), Beyond-Dimensional Physiology (While using Cutout), BFR (Can send enemies to different worlds with jumps in SMB 35), Biological Manipulation (Can manipulate his own biology), Black Hole Generation (Via Power Stars), Blessed (By Jaydes), Blood Manipulation (Via Swoopula), Body Control, Body Puppetry (Via Cappy), Bone Manipulation (Via Bone Thing), Breath Attack (While they don't come from Mario's mouth, Mario's fireballs are likened to that of a Fire Bro's, which come from their mouth, Mario can also summon various allies with breath attacks), Broadway Force, Burrowing (Mario Party digging mini-games), Camouflage (Boo Sheet), Causality Manipulation (Saving and Loading), Chain Manipulation (Via making Chain Chomps), Chaos Manipulation (Via dancing), Chi Manipulation (Did a Spirit Bomb thing in the manga), Clairvoyance (Mario is a Psychic who can use his Psychic abilities to replicate what one would normally consider luck when guessing cards repeatedly), Cloth Manipulation (Mario can change his outfit when he changes his form or shapeshifts), Conceptual Manipulation (Paint shenanigans among other things), Corrosion Inducement (Devo Gun), Corruption (Via Paint), Cosmic Awareness (He sees what the player sees), Creation, Curse Manipulation (Via Poison Mushroom), Cursed (Black Chest Demons), Cyborgization (Mario can build organic and inorganic vehicles in Mario Party 5), Damage Boost, Damage Reduction, Damage Transferral (Return Postage), Danmaku (Spinning while shooting fireballs), Darkness Manipulation (Via Paint), Data Manipulation (Limited, he can turn himself into a pixelated state), Death Manipulation (Via dancing), Density Manipulation (Limited, can change his own density by going into the Metal form), Dimensional Storage (Bottomless Gloves), Dimensional Travel (Various methods), Disassembly (Via Magic), Disease Manipulation (Viruses), Dream Manipulation (Mario's dreams become reality, Mario can destroy dreams and interact with them directly), Duplication (Via Extra Lives), Durability Negation (D-Down Attacks), Earth Manipulation (Quake Hammer), Ectoplasm Manipulation (Mario can create Boos, Podoboos, and Peepas, which all have implications of an ectoplasmic substance), Elasticity, Electricity Manipulation (Zap Tap), Elemental Manipulation, Emotional Manipulation (Via Dancing), Empowerment (Via intense emotions and other things), Energy Manipulation (Can manipulate Star Power and other forms of energy), Energy Projection, Enhanced Bodily Fluids (Can contain way more water in his body than a normal person), Enhanced Metabolism (Can eat an enormous pizza larger than himself in less than a minute), Enhanced Senses, Enhanced Swimming, Existence Erasure (Via Paint shenanigans, has also deleted things with the Magical Typewriter and wiped away Wendy's Castle), Explosion Manipulation (Can create Bob-ombs), Extrasensory Perception, Fate Manipulation (He is the Hero of Destiny that causes the wheels of fate to spin wildly out of control), Fear Manipulation (Fright Jar/Mask), Fire Manipulation, Fissionism (Isn't a page we have, but it should be, Mario can wring people out and completely separate them from all their paint. Mario can undo the fusion of Boos with his attacks), Flight (Wing Cap and other power-ups, can also fly without power-ups sometimes), Forcefield Creation (Via Starman Mario Great), Fourth Wall Awareness, Fragrance Manipulation (Mario can remove the scent of something by removing its paint), Fungus Manipulation, Fusionism (Via Cappy and can mix mushrooms together to create a Super Star), Genius Intelligence, Glyph Creation (Via Paint), Gravity Manipulation (Via Heavy G), Hacking (Mario can remotely control the Minis in the Mario vs. Donkey Kong games when they aren't always able to be controlled; he was also the one to program them to work the way they do to begin with. Mario can create monkey robots that can curse the Mario Minis and control them), Hair Manipulation (Limited, self. Mario can change his hair color and shape with shapeshifting and various power-ups), Healing, Heat Manipulation, Hellfire Manipulation (Via creating Podoboos and Bowser), Higher-Dimensional Manipulation, Higher-Dimensional Physiology (As a Boo, which are said to be extra-dimensional), History Manipulation (Via Power Stars), Holy Manipulation (Via the Crystal Stars), Homing Attack (Via Red Shells), Ice Manipulation, Illusion Creation (Via Power Stars), Immersion (Mario Matrix and going into book worlds), Immortality (Types 1, when Paper or in other inorganic forms, 2, in similar forms, also can survive as a floating head, 3, when he has good regeneration, 4, via Extra Lives, 5, as a Boo since there are statements that give them this, 6, via Cappy and as a Boo when possessing, 7, as a Boo or other undead, 8, reliant on Save Files, 9, whenever Mario is in a state between game adventures or as the "player" extension of him, or when outside of levels in games like Super Mario Maker, 10, with the Pure Hearts, 11, any of Mario's general properties vary by story and such variance is determined by which properties Mario decides to have when going on an adventure, as shown in the Super Mario All-Stars guidebook, and this is also the reason why Mario has multiple contradictory types of immortality at different points in time), Immortality Negation (Can negate various forms of it with regular attacks and power-ups), Indomitable Will (Is the reason in many games and manga stories why Mario can beat much more powerful enemies or resist abilities), Information Analysis (Via Tippi and other similar utilities), Information Manipulation (Via the Magic Typewriter and the Star Rod), Inorganic Physiology (As Paper Mario and other forms), Instinct Manipulation (Should be a page, but isn't, again, but Mario was able to charismatically change the instincts of a Boo in Super Mario Adventures by talking to them and made it to where they were no longer shy and no longer weak to sunlight), Instinctive Reactions (Mario fought Luigi in his sleep in the manga, and also baked a potato in the process), Intangibility (As a Boo and other forms), Invisibility (With the Boo Sheet and other items), Invulnerability (As Starman Mario and many other power-ups and forms), Large Size (Many different types with many different power-ups and techniques), Law Manipulation (Via Power Stars and other objects, and via creating Boos, since their very existence defies the laws of science), Life Manipulation (Via Paint and dancing), Light Manipulation (Via Dancing and other techniques/power-ups), Logic Manipulation (Mario can pick up equations), Longevity, Madness Manipulation (Via Power Stars and Red Paint), Magic, Magma Manipulation, Magnetism Manipulation (Via making Magnet Rods and Big Bangs), Martial Arts (Plumb Fu), Mathematics Manipulation (Mario can pick up equations), Matter Manipulation (Many different examples), Memory Manipulation (Via Paint), Metal Manipulation, Mind Control (Via individual colors of Paint), Mind Manipulation, Mind Reading (Via coloring thoughts and being a Psychic), Mindlessness (Limited, Mario is considered to completely lack color at the beginning of Color Splash by Huey, which makes up the mind, so Mario's mind function is outside the conventional), Mirror Manipulation (Mario can travel through the reflections of a mirror by using the Vanish Cap), Morality Manipulation (Music Keys can make people more benevolent), Multiple Languages, Multiple Personalities (Mario has vastly varying personalities across appearances, such as being mute in many of the RPG games to being talkative in the Super Show), Multiple Souls (Via Extra Lives), Nanotechnology (In Bowser's Inside Story, a lot of the technology he used or repaired works inside cell-small portions of Bowser's body), Natural Weaponry (There's a whole chart in the Mario Mania showing how every part of Mario's body is exceptionally useful on adventures), Necromancy (Via Dancing), Negation, Non-Corporeal (As a Boo), Non-Physical Interaction, Non-Existent Physiology (Limited, Mario can function without Paint in his body, which normally makes up all aspects of one's existence), One Hit Kill (Showstopper and similar moves), Organic Manipulation (Can manipulate his biology freely and change himself or others from something organic to inorganic), Pain Manipulation (Limited, self, via Double Pain), Pain Suppression (Via Dancing), Paint Manipulation, Paper Manipulation, Paralysis Inducement, Peak Human (When he's actually only that weak), Perception Manipulation (Mario manipulates the perception of enemies in Super Mario Bros by turning and such, mentioned in the manual, there's also the disorientation effect in Mario Maker), Petrification (Limited, self), Photographic Memory (Mario has mastered mini-games that are literally just this), Physics Manipulation, Plant Manipulation (Via Dancing and other stuff), Plasma Manipulation (Via creating storms and stuff), Platform Creation, Plot Manipulation (Can change and destroy the fabric of the story in the manga, can change the actual story itself with the Star Rod), Pocket Reality Manipulation (With Things and Trio Attacks and other methods), Poison Manipulation (Via Poison Mushrooms), Portal Creation (Via Window Jumping and Paint), Possession (Via Cappy or as a Boo), Power Absorption (Via wringing an enemy out and putting them into a card for later user and/or absorbing their Paint), Power Bestowal (Via Music Keys or giving power-ups), Power Mimicry (Bros. Techniques and other examples), Power Modification (Via Paint and Super Mario Maker shenanigans), Power Nullification (Via Star Rod and Pure Hearts and other artifacts), Precipitation Manipulation (Via Dancing), Preparation, Pressure Point Strikes, Probability Manipulation (Mustache), Psychic Shield (Via Superguard), Psychometry (Via Pause stuff), Purification (Via Dancing), Quantum Manipulation (Via Paint and Confetti stuff), Radiation Manipulation (Via Blasters), Rage Power, Reactive Evolution (When shot with the Devo Gun, instead of devolving, he went into his Tanooki Suit transformation), Reactive Power Level (He constantly gets stronger), Reality Warping, Regeneration (Different levels via different methods, True Godly at best), Resistance (To a lot), Resistance Negation (Via Peach Beam and other end boss invulnerability negging shenanigans), Resurrection (Via Extra Lives), Retrocognition (Via Mario Maker), Sand Manipulation (Via Power Stars), Sealing (Via Paintings and Power Stars), Self-Destruction (Via Bomb form), Self-Sustenance (Via Paper form), Sentient Shadow (As a Nameless Shadow), Shapeshifting, Size Manipulation, Sleep Manipulation (Via Sleep Bomb), Small Size (Via Small Mushroom and other power-ups), Smoke Manipulation (Via Power Stars), Social Influencing, Soul Manipulation, Soullessness (Limited, he can function without Paint, which makes up one's soul, so he can function without a conventional soul), Sound Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation (Via Power Stars), Speed Manipulation (Via Speed Flower), Spike Projection (Via Mario Kart Power-Ups), Spin Attack (Via Spin Jump), Spin Dash (Via Bros. Techniques), Statistics Amplification, Statistics Reduction, Status Effect Inducement, Stealth Mastery (Via numerous times he's needed to do this), Subjective Reality (Via Power Stars/Star Rod/et cetera), Summoning, Superhuman Athleticism, Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Supernatural Luck (Mustache), Surface Scaling, Technopathy (Via Cappy), Telekinesis, Telepathy (Via Paint Stars), Teleportation, Text Manipulation (Via being able to pick up an equation with letters, can also create text in levels in Super Mario Maker 2), Thread Manipulation (Via Trio Kite), Time Manipulation, Time Stop (Via Time Bomb and various power-ups), Time Travel, Toon Force, Transduality (Limited, applies to the scope of his Save Files and to various tools and power sources of his), Transformation, Transmutation, Undead Physiology (As a Boo), Underwater Breathing, Unholy Manipulation (Via making Bowser levels/Bowser in Super Mario Maker), Unpredictability, Vector Manipulation (Via Dimensional Flip and similar techniques), Vehicular Manipulation, Vehicular Mastery, Vibration Manipulation (Tremor and similar techniques), Vocal Mimicry (He mimicks Bowser's and Peach's voices when shapeshifting into them in Super Mario RPG), Void Manipulation (Via Black Paint), Water Manipulation, Water Walking (Via Luigi Cap), Weapon Creation (Via Trio Attacks and various other techniques), Weapon Mastery, Weather Manipulation (Via Dancing), Willpower Manipulation (Via Power Stars and Courage Shell), Wish Granting (Via various Star artifacts)

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Someone made that list for justifying Mario having almost all the abilities on CSAP

 

[Dust_Collector]

Bruh that wall of text unironically using save files as an actual thing for abilities is funny af, especially using them to give him transduality.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Bruh that wall of text unironically using save files as an actual thing for abilities is funny af, especially using them to give him transduality.

Save files are a thing NPCs use, even mentioned in manga that promotes the game

Transduality is from stuff that ain't gonna get accepted here, though idk why he added it

 

[Dust_Collector]

Also not great that the wall of text also uses the manga. Manga stuff can be their own profiles but we sure ain't gonna mix and match the games and manga.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Also not great that the wall of text also uses the manga. Manga stuff can be their own profiles but we sure ain't gonna mix and match the games and manga.

Luigi mentions the game (referring to Super Mario World), implying he even remembers events from the game. Mario from the manga also explicitly says that he's from the games, too

 

[Dust_Collector]

All that means is that the events of the game are canon to the manga, not that the manga in turn is also canon to the games.

 

[PsychoSSF2]

All that means is that the events of the game are canon to the manga, not that the manga in turn is also canon to the games.

Looks like someone…

Mario from the manga also explicitly says that he's from the games, too

…didn’t READ well enough.

 

[Dust_Collector]

I did read well enough. Mario in manga saying he's the same from the games means nothing if the actual main series doesn't back it up, especially since the manga even adapts many of the games and the events end up pretty different like Donkey Kong showing up during the events of Mario World in the manga while he's just not there in the games. Hell I think at one point in the same adaptation of Mario World they travel to a world from a different series.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Looks like someone…

…didn’t READ well enough.

That someone being you, apparently.

 

[Arceus0x]

I did read well enough. Mario in manga saying he's the same from the games means nothing if the actual main series doesn't back it up, especially since the manga even adapts many of the games and the events end up pretty different like Donkey Kong showing up during the events of Mario World in the manga while he's just not there in the games. Hell I think at one point in the same adaptation of Mario World they travel to a world from a different series.

gee and i thought i was having a hard time dealing with these peeps. You have it rough out here huh? Glad im not a mario supporter

 

[XXKINGXX69]

All that means is that the events of the game are canon to the manga, not that the manga in turn is also canon to the games.

If the mario from mario kun is literally the same person as the one in the games, then they would be a 2 way canon

I did read well enough. Mario in manga saying he's the same from the games means nothing if the actual main series doesn't back it up, especially since the manga even adapts many of the games and the events end up pretty different like Donkey Kong showing up during the events of Mario World in the manga while he's just not there in the games. Hell I think at one point in the same adaptation of Mario World they travel to a world from a different series.

That's because the manga is just Mario going on another adventure. Its not some sort of adaptation. Things like these have happened in the games, like when in Yoshi's Safari, Mario can replay the events of the game and everything is the exact same except higher difficulty, but its canonically just him going through this adventure a second time. Or the remakes being stated to be just Mario repeating those adventures too, and Super Mario 64 DS

 

[Dust_Collector]

That's because the manga is just Mario going on another adventure. Its not some sort of adaptation.

Does a single one of the adaptions in the manga even mention or allude to them just being repeats of previous adventures? I heavily doubt that after the events of Super Paper Mario that Count Bleck just randomly forgets the events of the game and starts doing the whole erasing the multiverse thing again in the manga.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Does a single one of the adaptions in the manga even mention or allude to them just being repeats of previous adventures? I heavily doubt that after the events of Super Paper Mario that Count Bleck just randomly forgets the events of the game and starts doing the whole erasing the multiverse thing again in the manga.

Maybe he forgets it for no reason at all or just wants to repeat his plans, which has happened in the mario games as I explained. Luigi during the SMW arc mentioning stuff from the super mario world game implies they take place after

I completely forgot to mention that Mario can transform into his Mario-Kun form, and this isn't just another costume, its literally just stated to be Mario from Super Mario Kun himself in the japanese trailer for the event in Mario Maker. And this doesn't mean he is transforming into someone who is a different person, Mario in that game transforms into his SMB2, SMB3, SMW etc self

 

[XXKINGXX69]

I forgot to mention that the live action film, super show (including the live action segments) are all stated to be canon and Mario from the games remembers events from the live action movie even though it seemingly contradicts stuff from the games, which is more evidence this stuff happens for no particular reason. Maybe its all an act for fun like Mario Power Tennis?

 

[Dust_Collector]

I forgot to mention that the live action film, super show (including the live action segments) are all stated to be canon

Yeah no offense but this is dumb and I'm just going to ignore everything you say about this and not bother to respond anymore. I shouldn't have to explain why shit like the movie or the super show are blatantly not canon to the main series games since it should be the most obvious thing in the world.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Yeah no offense but this is dumb and I'm just going to ignore everything you say about this and not bother to respond anymore. I shouldn't have to explain why shit like the movie or the super show are blatantly not canon to the main series games since it should be the most obvious thing in the world.

You really said this without looking at the evidence

 

[Dust_Collector]

"Evidence"

You just said that they were stated to be canon and that the games reference them as being canon without any proof.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Anyway, attempts at saying that obscure german Mario comic from 4,000 bc where he and Kirby team up to fight Naruto is actually canon aside do we have calcs for how large Bowsers giant form is, wanna get a number so I can list what type his large size in that state is.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Anyway, attempts at saying that obscure german Mario comic from 4,000 bc where he and Kirby team up to fight Naruto is actually canon aside do we have calcs for how large Bowsers giant form is, wanna get a number so I can list what type his large size in that state is.

We don't, and which giant bowser?

 

[Dust_Collector]

Well there's only 1 giant Bowser so it would be him. Want calcs of how big his giant form is across the various games, at a glance it looks like he varies from Type 1 to Type 2 in his giant form but I wanna be sure if there are any instances of him reaching large enough size to qualify for Type 2 since even at his biggest he may only be Type 1

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Well there's only 1 giant Bowser so it would be him. Want calcs of how big his giant form is across the various games, at a glance it looks like he varies from Type 1 to Type 2 in his giant form but I wanna be sure if there are any instances of him reaching large enough size to qualify for Type 2 since even at his biggest he may only be Type 1

There are many giant Bowsers man, there's the ones from new super mario bros, from bowser's inside story, mario galaxy 1, mario galaxy 2, mario party and more

 

[Luckyfun]

Bump

 

[Dust_Collector]

Yooooo massive Mario upgrade CRT

 

[PsychoSSF2]

Yooooo massive Mario upgrade CRT

Clickbait + Ratio’d by a guy with a pfp of Vergil from Devil May Cry.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Ganon when he finds out he only needs his base form to stomp Bowser due to the downgrades;

Also besides the downgrades there's plans for another thread to treat almost each Mario game as their own thing due to how inconsistent the characters are, whether that means different keys or a butt load of different profiles is yet to be seen so that should be fun.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Ganon when he finds out he only needs his base form to stomp Bowser due to the downgrades;

Also besides the downgrades there's plans for another thread to treat almost each Mario game as their own thing due to how inconsistent the characters are, whether that means different keys or a butt load of different profiles is yet to be seen so that should be fun.

Bowser can just transmute ganon

 

[Dust_Collector]

Bowser can just transmute ganon

Ganon resists

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Ganon resists

Can he resist transmutation that works on a whole universe?

 

[Imaginym]

Ganon when he finds out he only needs his base form to stomp Bowser due to the downgrades;

Also besides the downgrades there's plans for another thread to treat almost each Mario game as their own thing due to how inconsistent the characters are, whether that means different keys or a butt load of different profiles is yet to be seen so that should be fun.

You seem happy about the downgrades.

 

[Dust_Collector]

You seem happy about the downgrades.

I'm really not

 

[Tonygameman]

Now, this looks very promising, fellow jumping super-star paisanos!

EDIT: And here's a stream video link:

 

[Luckyfun]

What do you guys think about super mario kun? It would be nice to have mario kun page being added to this wiki.

 

[Imaginym]

Spoiler: My opinion of the new trailer's content

Bowser's voice sounded good.
I don't feel the same way about Mario. Was he even trying? I think they went for "too much Brooklyn, not enough excited Italian".
I didn't hear Luigi well enough to opinionate yet.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Ok, that trailer was pretty fine. Bowser looks great and Jack Black does a good job voicing him, Chris Pratt sounds ok as Mario I guess, Mario looks a little odd but overall he looks fine, the animation looks very good (Which is honestly expected, say what you will about the writing in Illumations movies but visually they look very good).

 

[PsychoSSF2]

I think they went for "too much Brooklyn, not enough excited Italian".

Lou Albano did the exact same thing and y'all never complained.