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Summer Time Rendering: Possible 6-D cosmology revision (3 STAFFS NEEDED)

i don't see anything hypertimeline here
it's just a classic branching timelines with still a possible Grandfather or paradox effect that can happen

Having cause and effect that exist above timelines or time isn't sufficient to prove there is a hypertimeline

the fourth dimension being higher dimensional seems solid specially the scans that have in context also discussion how he can freely control space-time

I agree with low 1-C for the plane without time

Disagree with hypertimeline
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
i don't see anything hypertimeline here
it's just a classic branching timelines with still a possible Grandfather or paradox effect that can happen
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No, timeline is not braching. A timeline in simple word, will be erased after observer like Shinpei died and travels to past. He died => timeline was copied and erased and then printed. Nothing is branching here.
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Having cause and effect that exist above timelines or time isn't sufficient to prove there is a hypertimeline
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That not a main point, it was added to explain how Shinpei's ability work. I don't say cause and effect is a arguement and evidence to prove a hypertimeline.
 
Wikisource said:
No, timeline is not braching. A timeline in simple word, will be erased after observer like Shinpei died and travels to past. He died => timeline was copied and erased and then printed. Nothing is branching here.
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then its looping
still not hypertimeline

and as I prefaced earlier Causality existing higher than time doesn't equal to hypertimeline
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
then its looping
still not hypertimeline
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Well, said that looping not really wrong but not really true. He always erases the previous timeline after travels to new timeline. It was explained in Shinpei's profile. The key here is Ushio can travels to the timeline was erased, not the timeline-copy.
TheGreatJedi13 said:
and as I prefaced earlier Causality existing higher than time doesn't equal to hypertimeline
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Didn't I said that causality not used to be prove hypertimeline?
 
Looking again at the profile and the scans
you misunderstood this part
2sujSAo.jpeg

there are no infinite possibilities on the infinite timeline but rather
He is simply saying there are infinite timelines which are equal to the amount of possibilities which is infinite
a classic 2-A branching of possibilities.

furthermore
2Mp0Gza.jpeg

This can basically imply that what is erased is simply the future after the death and not the entirety

your argument is that
Simply put, there must exist a hypertimeline where all events including the timelines being printed and erased must be recorded.
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But a more reasonable logic is that the new timelines simply piggybacks from the past before the death to recontinue with a different future based on what possibilities the eye wielder desires

it doesn't necessarily need a hyper-timeline for this

so regardless of whether the looping may have happen infinitely or not
the fact remains that the new timeline that was printed still derived from the similar past of the old timeline before the death or the travel.

which in turn return the whole thing back to just a simply classic 2-A multiverse via infinite possibilities
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Looking again at the profile and the scans
you misunderstood this part
2sujSAo.jpeg

there are no infinite possibilities on the infinite timeline but rather
He is simply saying there are infinite timelines which are equal to the amount of possibilities which is infinite
a classic 2-A branching of possibilities.

furthermore
2Mp0Gza.jpeg

This can basically imply that what is erased is simply the future after the death and not the entirety

your argument is that

But a more reasonable logic is that the new timelines simply piggybacks from the past before the death to recontinue with a different future based on what possibilities the eye wielder desires

it doesn't necessarily need a hyper-timeline for this

so regardless of whether the looping may have happen infinitely or not
the fact remains that the new timeline that was printed still derived from the similar past of the old timeline before the death or the travel.

which in turn return the whole thing back to just a simply classic 2-A multiverse via infinite possibilities
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I need to sleep rn so I will say further after wake up. But from what I say, nothing braching here, about infinite world equal to infinite possibility, iirc it's 2-B. And there are infinite possibility in verse doesn't mean it branching. The reason very simple, he mentiond about possibility but say nothing about that timelines are braching. And also, we don't default that. Besides, when Ushio time travels to the past, we could said that she renders the previous timeline but it doesn't have any Shadows because Haine was eliminated. She time travels after eliminated Haine.
 
Wikisource said:
I need to sleep rn so I will say further after wake up. But from what I say, nothing braching here, about infinite world equal to infinite possibility, iirc it's 2-B. And there are infinite possibility in verse doesn't mean it branching. The reason very simple, he mentiond about possibility but say nothing about that timelines are braching. And also, we don't default that. Besides, when Ushio time travels to the past, we could said that she renders the previous timeline but it doesn't have any Shadows because Haine was eliminated. She time travels after eliminated Haine.
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it does branch via creating another parallel timeline
it just that the former timeline gets erased.

In technicality it still branches from a point in time to another by creating a new one where the consciousness is transferred to
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
it does branch via creating another parallel timeline
it just that the former timeline gets erased.

In technicality it still branches from a point in time to another by creating a new one where the consciousness is transferred to
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I'm not sure if you're misunderstanding the illustration in chapter 116 but it's basically just copying, erasing and reprinting after each "observer" (e.g. Shinpei) dies. The timeline will be the same as the previous timeline except the observer is dead. It's like you draft a 3 paragraph text then you copy it but only the first 2 paragraphs, then erase the original and continue on the first copy with the 2 copied paragraphs without the 3rd paragraph like the original. The key here is that Ushio eliminated Haine 300 years before the main storyline. She time traveled to the main storyline, giving the eye back to Shinpei. As I said, Haine was eliminated in the previous timeline so if it repeats, this timeline won't have the shadow or Haine because she was eliminated 300 years ago. So the fact that she was able to send the eye to Shinpei to continue a new cycle proves that there must be a hypertimeline that covers and stores the deleted timelines.
 
Vietthai96 said:
No, false R > F that is used as analogy to describe relationship between higher dimension to lower dimension which is usually 1D difference exist, not every R > F must be true R > F which is 1-A, the fact that the character describe normal human is 3d and manga page is 2d world mean the 1 dimensional difference between human and manga. 1-A true R > F mean the character must see the lower realm completely nonexistent for 1-A to work, akin to empty set
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It says like a manga.
 
Firestorm808 said:
If the manga pages accurately depict how a timeline is "destroyed," then I am leaning against the need for a hypertimeline for the different timeline travels proposed.
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Idk how you understand it but there is a explaination for it.
Wikisource said:
I'm not sure if you're misunderstanding the illustration in chapter 116 but it's basically just copying, erasing and reprinting after each "observer" (e.g. Shinpei) dies. The timeline will be the same as the previous timeline except the observer is dead. It's like you draft a 3 paragraph text then you copy it but only the first 2 paragraphs, then erase the original and continue on the first copy with the 2 copied paragraphs without the 3rd paragraph like the original. The key here is that Ushio eliminated Haine 300 years before the main storyline. She time traveled to the main storyline, giving the eye back to Shinpei. As I said, Haine was eliminated in the previous timeline so if it repeats, this timeline won't have the shadow or Haine because she was eliminated 300 years ago. So the fact that she was able to send the eye to Shinpei to continue a new cycle proves that there must be a hypertimeline that covers and stores the deleted timelines.
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The key is Ushio's time travel, not Shinpei's time travels. This make sense for someone have some misunderstood or feel unclearly.
 
Your reasoning can have other possible interpretation without needing to rely on the existence of Hypertimeline.

We can't just assume the highest interpretation for things

furthermore, there being a record for an erased timeline doesn't mean that the recorder is infinitely expanding. That's what you need to prove for a hyper-timeline to be valid in the first place
because it is also possible for a hyper timeline to only possess several snapshots of different timelines especially when there is nothing that proves the hypertime in this case is infinite and functions perpendicularly and like a timeline that makes it extends infinitely into the future and functions like a time and not just a recorder

Being able to travel to erased time cannot prove that alone
 
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