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suiryu upgrade
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One thing, Choze is not a Demon level. He has no stated or confirmed rating.
That said I'm fine with Suiryu being changed back. I've done so now.
Since I'm pretty neutral to this topic and have a bunch of personal, real life problems going on at the moment, I'm just going to let others decide how they want to handle this.
That said I'm fine with Suiryu being changed back. I've done so now.
Since I'm pretty neutral to this topic and have a bunch of personal, real life problems going on at the moment, I'm just going to let others decide how they want to handle this.
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Choze is Demon level,we know for sure that Choze is not Dragon level becuse the reaction of Gouketsu to Bakuzan is completely different from Choze he Called Bakuzan "huge sucess" unlike Choze who was just "good" and Tiger level is too low so Demon is only opinion that remainRyukama said:
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Just because Gouketsu thinks Bakuzan is considerably stronger than Choze doesn't immediately mean Choze is a Demon level.
There can be Dragon levels much stronger than other Dragon levels. Like how Dragon level Gouketsu is vastly stronger than Bakuzan yet Bakuzan's still a Dragon level. Or Overgrown Rover being far greater than Fuhrer Ugly and Gums yet they're still Dragon level.
We were never given an actual rating for Choze, so we can't assume what he is. His disaster level's just unknown for now.
There can be Dragon levels much stronger than other Dragon levels. Like how Dragon level Gouketsu is vastly stronger than Bakuzan yet Bakuzan's still a Dragon level. Or Overgrown Rover being far greater than Fuhrer Ugly and Gums yet they're still Dragon level.
We were never given an actual rating for Choze, so we can't assume what he is. His disaster level's just unknown for now.
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Stop with your assumptions. It's never stated or indicated that Gouketsu only thinks Bakuzan is worth anything solely cause he's a Dragon level.
The fact that Gouketsu said "Oh this one is pretty good" to Choze and calling Bakuzan "a huge success" doesn't mean that Bakuzan is a Dragon and Choze is a Demon.
And the sheer fact that Bakuzan is considerably stronger than Choze doesn't mean much when as seen many times Dragon levels can be far, far above other Dragon levels.
We have no statements or evidence as to what Choze's rating is. You can think what you want, but there isn't an actual confirmed rating for Choze outside your, mine or anyone else's assumptions. He's unknown as of right now.
The fact that Gouketsu said "Oh this one is pretty good" to Choze and calling Bakuzan "a huge success" doesn't mean that Bakuzan is a Dragon and Choze is a Demon.
And the sheer fact that Bakuzan is considerably stronger than Choze doesn't mean much when as seen many times Dragon levels can be far, far above other Dragon levels.
We have no statements or evidence as to what Choze's rating is. You can think what you want, but there isn't an actual confirmed rating for Choze outside your, mine or anyone else's assumptions. He's unknown as of right now.
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okay, you are SO WRONG. i cant believe they actually downgraded suiryu because of what you said. first of all, there are FAR more evidence to say that choze is dragon level, rather than demon.Ryop said:
first of all, gouketsu said "i hit the jackpot with this guy AS WELL". why would gouketsu say "as well". thats obviously because he was talking about CHOZE. meaning, choze is comparable to bakuzan. gouketsu also said "oh, this one is pretty good" when he saw choze transform. he NEVER said that bakuzan was better than choze or ANYTHING like that. HE LITERALLY stated that bakuzan and choze are about equal, since he said "AS WELL". STOP making things up. gouketsu never said bakuzan was a huge success or whatever.
furthermore, murata said that choze's energy attack is the same type as vaccine man and homeless emperors, who are both dragon levels. now, this could mean that chozes energy attack is as powerful, or maybe he just meant that they're similar to each other. either way, a demon level monster producing the same type of attack as two dragon level monsters is a bit strange.
lastly, the feats we've seen from choze is FAR greater than ANY demon level monster feat we've seen so far. this probably means choze is FAR greater. suiryu was at 100% when he fought choze, whereas he was 99% dead when he fought bakuzan, and STILL managed to break his toe. you're acting like gouketsu thinks bakuzan is WAY stronger than choze, which is NOT TRUE AT ALL.
to be honest, the literal definition of a dragon level threat is "a threat to multiple cities". and even the weakest dragon level threats should be stronger than the sea king, who's at least stronger than armored gorilla, who's stronger than mosquito girl, who's fodderized genos, who did a MID LEVEL city level feat. and suiryu HARMED A FREAKING DRAGON LEVEL at like 1% power. mountain level is FINE. suiryu was barely injured by fighting choze, and the fight lasted like 1 minute. choze and suiryu are NOT EQUAL. suiryu is far FAR stronger. he wasnt really taking the fight seriously until the racism beam, and after that, suiryu ONE SHOTTED choze in like 2 seconds. so yeah, mountain level is FINE for suiryu. can we get this done already? its not even that big of an upgrade.
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Did you not read AMM's response? Returning him to city level had nothing to do with Ryop's reasoning.
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i read AMM's response, he literally just said that placing gouketsu and suiryu at 7-A is not a wise decision. without much reasoning. there's NOTHING to suggest that bakuzan is stronger than choze. choze would have rekt suiryu just as hard if suiryu was in that condition.
i read AMM's response, he literally just said that placing gouketsu and suiryu at 7-A is not a wise decision. without much reasoning. there's NOTHING to suggest that bakuzan is stronger than choze. choze would have rekt suiryu just as hard if suiryu was in that condition.
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DCEU superman went from low 7-B to 7-A because he was able to SLIGHTLY HARM DOOMSDAY. suiryu was able to do the same thing... while pretty much dead.
now i know that doomsday is a solid 7-A while bakuzan is at least 7-B. but bakuzan should AT LEAST be extremely close to 7-A, since he would fodderize mosquito girl, who fodderized genos, who produced a mid level city level feat. c'mon guys, suiryu is already AT LEAST high end 7-B, bringing him up to 7-A is not a huge upgrade or anything
now i know that doomsday is a solid 7-A while bakuzan is at least 7-B. but bakuzan should AT LEAST be extremely close to 7-A, since he would fodderize mosquito girl, who fodderized genos, who produced a mid level city level feat. c'mon guys, suiryu is already AT LEAST high end 7-B, bringing him up to 7-A is not a huge upgrade or anything
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I dont know what are you talking about with the "i hit the jackpot with this guy AS WELL" part i dont remmber he said that but if you are talknig about what he asy after he saw Bakuzan,he said he is Dragon level just like him,not that he is equal to Choze or somthing. Suryiu was serious agaisnt Choze and not "far stronger" than him,he said himseld that Choze was very dangerous and big deal ,dont just make up thing
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I'd venture, and say that Choze was stronger than Bakuzan considering that choze put up a good fight with Suiryu, while a much weakened Suiryu survived a full power onslaught from Bakuzan, and still be consious, and move around.
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I believe we should also give Suiryu an enhanced willpoer/endurance upgrade as well. He never gave up, even in the end.
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okay then. let me ask you this. what did gouketsu mean when he said "as well"Ryop said:
why would he say "as well" if he wasnt referring to anyone else. and btw, im not making ANYTHING up. i may have exaggerating a little when i said suiryu is far stronger than choze, but thats not making things up. unlike you. you said that gouketsu said bakuzan was a huge success. GOUKETSU NEVER SAID THAT.
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what makes you think the translation from my scan is bad?
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*********** from what i know should has the best translation and the best place to read manga along with Batoto,and the translation look more suitable than your becuse Gouketsu wasnt care at all about Choze when he died and wasnt excited about him like Bakuzan,he only call Choze "good" with pertty MEH,that make no sense he would suddenly compare him to Bakuzan
by the way you need to calm down dude you sound very angey all the time for no reason
by the way you need to calm down dude you sound very angey all the time for no reason
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you're saying *********** should have the best translation, with zero reasoning... kRyop said:
im not angry
gouketsu doesnt give a shit about anyone lol. what did you expect? for him to start crying?
gouketsu would have the exact same expression if bakuzan died too
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Gouketsu's attitude to Bakuzan was completely different from Choze,with Coze he wasnt care about him at all and didnt blink when he died,with Bakuzan he was more excited and he restrain himself and let Bakuzan curse and attack him and yet he still trying to recruit and convince Bakuzan to join the monster association
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Gouketsu should be upgrade because after saitama kills him, he says that gouketsu was really strong
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We've already established that Saitama simply calling someone strong in of itself means nothing. (Boros didn't get upgraded because of that)
We need something far more concrete and less vague. Such as him to directly compare him to someone else.
Heck Saitama directly told Suiryu he was really strong and even said Suiryu he shouldn't get much stronger or he'll start getting bored with power. That didn't mean anything for him in the end.
Plus we know by default Gouketsu can't be comparable to Boros as he's a Dragon level. (Not a Dragon level+) And Saitama hasn't fought Tornado or seen demonstrations of her power at this point. So even if Saitama was comparing Gouketsu to other people, the only people he could be comparing him to are other 7-Bs and 7-As.
We need something far more concrete and less vague. Such as him to directly compare him to someone else.
Heck Saitama directly told Suiryu he was really strong and even said Suiryu he shouldn't get much stronger or he'll start getting bored with power. That didn't mean anything for him in the end.
Plus we know by default Gouketsu can't be comparable to Boros as he's a Dragon level. (Not a Dragon level+) And Saitama hasn't fought Tornado or seen demonstrations of her power at this point. So even if Saitama was comparing Gouketsu to other people, the only people he could be comparing him to are other 7-Bs and 7-As.
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how the hell is gouketsu comparable to melzalgald. even puri puri prisoner was able to hurt melzalgald, whereas suiryu (who's probably stronger than prisoner) couldnt even scratch gouketsuBoros-fan said:
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Well It's confirmed that Gouketsu beat genos in one punch. Let's just put him at mountain.
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"Dragon +" isnt an actually thing. That's fan made.Ryukama said:
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According to OPM Wiki that's a term used in the encyclopedia. And IIRC Boros was stated to be "above a Dragon" or something like that. But even then there is nothing at all to suggest Gouketsu is on Boros or Monster Garou's level.
Even if we interpret Saitama's statement as him comparing Gouketsu to other people. He couldn't have been including Boros or Tornado when he said that. So at best Gouketsu is stronger than all the other 7-Bs and 7-As Saitama has faced.
Even if we interpret Saitama's statement as him comparing Gouketsu to other people. He couldn't have been including Boros or Tornado when he said that. So at best Gouketsu is stronger than all the other 7-Bs and 7-As Saitama has faced.
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Wait did you read a different translatation or something?Jonathanlighter said:
From what I just read, Saitama nonchalantly says he doesn't really know how strong Gouketsu is cause all it took was one punch. Nothing about him being "really strong."
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I wasnt saying that Gouketsu was on boros level. Just correcting what you said.Ryukama said:
ONE explained the reason he is Dragon+ is because Boros was defeated by Saitama and none of the other heroes witnessed it greatly influenced that. They were all under the impression that it was Tsubaki's ship crashing that finished the aliens off (except Genos who knew that it was Saitama's doing). They never even knew that Boros was their boss, since he was defeated before they could meet him. Type a message...
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Do you have a source to Boros only being Dragon level+ due to the HA not seeing him get defeated? I don't even think the HA knows who Boros is. Rather that was an official encyclopedia rating. Also you said "Dragon +" isnt an actually thing. That's fan made." and now you're saying "ONE explained the reason he is Dragon+." Which is it?
Either way, Gouketsu only being a Dragon level by default means Saitama couldn't have been comparing him to Boros.
Saitama hasn't fought Tornado or seen her power yet, so he couldn't have been comparing Gouketsu to her.
The only options left were that Saitama was comparing him to other 7-Bs or 7-As. So no upgrade there.
Even then, I don't know where this "Gouketsu was really strong" statement comes from. In the translation I read, Saitama kinda says the opposite. He doesn't particularly care at all about him and didn't know how strong he was since he nonchalantly one shot him.
Either way, Gouketsu only being a Dragon level by default means Saitama couldn't have been comparing him to Boros.
Saitama hasn't fought Tornado or seen her power yet, so he couldn't have been comparing Gouketsu to her.
The only options left were that Saitama was comparing him to other 7-Bs or 7-As. So no upgrade there.
Even then, I don't know where this "Gouketsu was really strong" statement comes from. In the translation I read, Saitama kinda says the opposite. He doesn't particularly care at all about him and didn't know how strong he was since he nonchalantly one shot him.
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Dragon + is a fan made rating. All One said was he was "above dragon". God is "above dragon." Nowhere in the series is Dragon+ a threat level. Nowhere in any official sources.Ryukama said:
Also God is a threat to all humanity. Which Boros factually was. Boros Dragon+ rating on here should be overturned to GOD.
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Well it seems the current thesis within most the OPM community is that Boros may be "above dragon" but not presumed to be God level since he's not explicitly stated to be. And given that Blast never showed up for him.
But it doesn't matter. Whether Boros is "Dragon+" or "God", that obviously means Gouketsu isn't comparable to him. Which was my argument.
This "Saitama called him strong" thing (which I can't even find) means nothing. Since Saitama wouldn't've been comparing Gouketsu to Boros. Or to Tornado. So at best he'd stay 7-A.
But it doesn't matter. Whether Boros is "Dragon+" or "God", that obviously means Gouketsu isn't comparable to him. Which was my argument.
This "Saitama called him strong" thing (which I can't even find) means nothing. Since Saitama wouldn't've been comparing Gouketsu to Boros. Or to Tornado. So at best he'd stay 7-A.
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I don't believe Gouketsu is comparable to Boros. I'd let him be mountain. I'm certain darkshine could beat him.Ryukama said:
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