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Sub-Zero takes on a fire-wielding martial artist (not named Scorpion)
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Juji simply duplicating is significantly easier then shooting ab ice ball and Juji deciding to not stand there and take the hit.
Also, AP
Also, AP
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It does when Juji can simply side step the Absolute Zero projectile
Juji can
1. Hit him a couple times and call it a day
2. Duplicate, either one hits him a couple times and calls it a day.
3. Side Step the Beam
It's clear who holds the advantage
Juji can
1. Hit him a couple times and call it a day
2. Duplicate, either one hits him a couple times and calls it a day.
3. Side Step the Beam
It's clear who holds the advantage
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First, it's not just a projectile that SZ has. He has a move where ice comes from below and an ice wave that acts as an AoE.
Hitting him is going to be hard when he freezes himself and passes it to Juji, then taps him since he's already frozen on an atomic level. He can make the air around him cold enough to freeze things that come into contact such as projectiles and Juji.
Duplicate? Let me remind you again that Sub-Zero has an AoE move that can deal with the clones.
Hitting him is going to be hard when he freezes himself and passes it to Juji, then taps him since he's already frozen on an atomic level. He can make the air around him cold enough to freeze things that come into contact such as projectiles and Juji.
Duplicate? Let me remind you again that Sub-Zero has an AoE move that can deal with the clones.
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Not only am I 90% site that move doesn't generate Absolute Zero but the AoE is certainly not big enough to kill 15 dupes at once before he gets casually hit a couple times
Said AoE gets tanked due to Dura
Said AoE gets tanked due to Dura
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Dude, it's stated that the Elder Sub-Zero's ice reaches temperatures of absolute zero, so he's not tanking that. All of his moves have these properties. Kuai Liang scales to this because he's equal to him as they trained together but eventually surpassed Bi-Han.
Their range is equal and both are limited in fighting space because of the set location.
Their range is equal and both are limited in fighting space because of the set location.
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Because I find it far more likely that he duplicates and either one of them taps Sub Zero then Sub Zero hitting him with an ice ball or other attack.
This is even assuming Sub Zeros AoE kills all the clones which I highly doubt considering the sheer amount created.
Its simple
Is it more likely for Sub Zero to hit all 15 clones? And Juji himself? Or for any one of them to hit Sub Zero?
And if he doesn't duplicate immediately, why would Sub Zero pulling out his trump card be the end when it's perfectly dodgeable?
This is even assuming Sub Zeros AoE kills all the clones which I highly doubt considering the sheer amount created.
Its simple
Is it more likely for Sub Zero to hit all 15 clones? And Juji himself? Or for any one of them to hit Sub Zero?
And if he doesn't duplicate immediately, why would Sub Zero pulling out his trump card be the end when it's perfectly dodgeable?
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Kinda sounds like saying Bill will use his very potent hax right away even though it's not in characterSchnee One said:
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Just because a character doesn't immediately lead with an ability does not mean he won't utilize it in a fight.Kredory said:
Plus, I can say the exact same thing for Sub Zero, in which case if neither pull out their trump cards, Juji hits him in the chest and the strength gap makes him cave.
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Kinda sounds like saying Bill will use his very potent hax right away even though it's not in character
Even though Bill is frequently plagued with CIS in his own verse
In this case, neither use their trump cards and thus Juji hits him once and calls it a day.
See where that logic gets Sub Zero?
Even though Bill is frequently plagued with CIS in his own verse
In this case, neither use their trump cards and thus Juji hits him once and calls it a day.
See where that logic gets Sub Zero?
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I looked at the AP justification and this guy scales to people who can no sell attacks farther than what Sub-Zero is capable of.
And I don't get why both of you are not calling stomp for being unable to dent this guy
And I don't get why both of you are not calling stomp for being unable to dent this guy
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I'm pretty sure this Sub-Zero has AZ but never uses it, ever. Hell you can't even force him to do so,Kredory said:
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Because you and Kredory kept arguing Sub Zero had a chance.Xtasyamphetamine said:
Plus Absolute Zero
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Xtasyamphetamine said:
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Then Juji annihilates
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I need to debunk myself 
I said those hours before I read through some old CRTs. I have to put "Likely Absolute Zero" because I can't just say "Kuai is more skilled than Bi-Han, therefore he should have this too" so it's possible he can't replicate Bi-Han's moves where he insta shatters with a blast of air in MK:Mythologies.
Meanwhile Bi-Han is explicitly stated to have absolute zero, so the match goes like this:
I said those hours before I read through some old CRTs. I have to put "Likely Absolute Zero" because I can't just say "Kuai is more skilled than Bi-Han, therefore he should have this too" so it's possible he can't replicate Bi-Han's moves where he insta shatters with a blast of air in MK:Mythologies.
Meanwhile Bi-Han is explicitly stated to have absolute zero, so the match goes like this:
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In fact, I think I need to remove AZ from his profile.
Sorry to ruin you matchup MrKing
Sorry to ruin you matchup MrKing
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IDK how that would ruin the matchup, as Juji is still susceptible to being frozen alive unless I'm mistaken. It's just to less of an absurd degree.
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He no sold attacks from people vastly above Sub-Zero, reminds me of Earthshaker vs Diane
Which means he breaks out of it everytime he gets frozen, simple.
Which means he breaks out of it everytime he gets frozen, simple.
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But Sub-zero doesn't just trap you in ice, he lowers the temperature of your body to the point where the water in there freezes.
Hanji having superior durability won't save him from that.
Hanji having superior durability won't save him from that.
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Sub-Zero doesn't do that, it's clearly shown he encases people in ice.
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He freezes people solid too.Xtasyamphetamine said:
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Freeze shattering does not ignore durability, mind you.
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Yeah, but having your body frozen solid does, unless I'm mistaken. Juji would be incapacitated at the least.Xtasyamphetamine said:
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Would that work against people stronger than you?
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I'm not sure what our consensus was for heat manip negating dura, but I don't see how durability correlates to resisting the water in your body being frozen.
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If it freezes through it should be able to. That's the sort of thing that can bring down bridges and stuff because of water expanding while frozen and being durable wouldn't change how water reacts to low temperature.
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I'm against the notion saying Sub-Zero won't use AZ
So if Schnee thinks that Juji is going to use duplication, Sub-Zero can just AZ the air around him to protect himself. The number of clones won't matter, they'll just be frozen on an atomic level, simple. Plus he's no stranger to being outnumbered as he fought against his corrupted Lin Kuei members.
Add the fact that he's much more skilled here as he is grandmaster of an entire clan at this point, again this is just me not knowing Juji's feats.
So if Schnee thinks that Juji is going to use duplication, Sub-Zero can just AZ the air around him to protect himself. The number of clones won't matter, they'll just be frozen on an atomic level, simple. Plus he's no stranger to being outnumbered as he fought against his corrupted Lin Kuei members.
Add the fact that he's much more skilled here as he is grandmaster of an entire clan at this point, again this is just me not knowing Juji's feats.
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Experience-wise, Sub-Zero is probably superior. The best thing you can say about Juji was that he trained in and eventually mastered vague martial arts until the day he died, and was a talented mafia/yakuza sweeper in his living years. (That's what we get for having so few cutscenes)
I do want to point out that Juji does have ranged attacks, and would probably at least try to use them if his clones get frozen. He's can throw fireballs, use flamethrower esque attacks and even generate a small AoE tornado of fire. (Kutaba: Burning Cyclone)
His swords are also a pair of machine pistols, and in at least two of the bare few cutscenes we see, he does use those.
I do want to point out that Juji does have ranged attacks, and would probably at least try to use them if his clones get frozen. He's can throw fireballs, use flamethrower esque attacks and even generate a small AoE tornado of fire. (Kutaba: Burning Cyclone)
His swords are also a pair of machine pistols, and in at least two of the bare few cutscenes we see, he does use those.
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