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STRONGEST VERSES IN FICTION?

Livinmeme said:
doesnt the series reference large cardinals? then by logic it should have reinhardt cardinal and no just because "it doesnt mention it" doesnt mean it doesnt exist
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Sure, but it math is a vague term, and doesn't specify how high it goes, except the inaccessible cardinals. It isn't mentioned, and therefore cannot be included.
 
InfiniteDay said:
Sure, but it math is a vague term, and doesn't specify how high it goes, except the inaccessible cardinals. It isn't mentioned, and therefore cannot be included.
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1. why the math is vague and just because is vague doesnt mean it can incluid higher terms
2. just because it doesnt mention it. doesnt mean is inexistent
 
Livinmeme said:
1. why the math is vague and just because is vague doesnt mean it can incluid higher terms
2. just because it doesnt mention it. doesnt mean is inexistent
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1. Oh it can, and it does give clear, hardline aleph and inaccessible cardinal statements.
2. Get the scans mate
 
Livinmeme said:
i dont need scan because they use it and just because they dont mention it doesnt mean it magically stop existing.
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Proof that they exist, are scalable, aren't just tangentely tied to a vague word, and Rucker purposefully mentioned them in his book?
 
InfiniteDay said:
Proof that they exist, are scalable, aren't just tangentely tied to a vague word, and Rucker purposefully mentioned them in his book?
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1. you dont need to mention it to exist they just maths and just because they dont mention it doesnt mean it doesnt exist
2. If they use this then there is no reason to believe that reinhardt cardinal doesnt exist
 
Livinmeme said:
1. you dont need to mention it to exist they just maths and just because they dont mention it doesnt mean it doesnt exist
2. If they use this then there is no reason to believe that reinhardt cardinal doesnt exist
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1. You are currently arguing from a standpoint which has no factual evidence, except a vague word that may or may not even include what you say. No, I refuse to further this discussion unless you bring up something new.

2. Linking to a wikipedia page about Large-Cardinals as your scan completely destroys any hope for your point. I will not argue anymore.
 
InfiniteDay said:
1. You are currently arguing from a standpoint which has no factual evidence, except a vague word that may or may not even include what you say. No, I refuse to further this discussion unless you bring up something new.

2. Linking to a wikipedia page about Large-Cardinals as your scan completely destroys any hope for your point. I will not argue anymore.
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1. How is that vague? is a term that the series uses as you sayed and that incluids reinhardt cardinal that is like saying "destroying all the life in earth" and just putting humans because "you didnt specify"

2. Yeah no this is getting us nowhere
 
catzlaflame said:
So what exactly is the order for the strongest verses on the site, would it look something like this?


1: Twin peaks
2: cthulhu mythos
3: Umineko and the rest of 07th expansion
4: elder scrolls
5: DC comics
6: The Unwritten
7: Demon king diamao
8: world of darkness maybe?
9: idk 🤷‍♂️
10: idk 🤷‍♂️
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Interestingly enough, according to Ultima, WoD has risen to the top of the list of the strongest profiles on the wiki, and might get stronger too very very soon.
 
Udlmaster said:
Interestingly enough, according to Ultima, WoD has risen to the top of the list of the strongest profiles on the wiki, and might get stronger too very very soon.
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Seriously? wow, good job you basically revised the whole verse by yourself that’s very impressive
 
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This whole wiki is obsessed with Set Theory, it's how we tier characters in higher tiers.

Low tier supremacy.
 
I just feel that people are going to worship maths as the be all end all when it comes to tiering high tier characters. There are many different ways to tier characters and this wiki has settled on mathematical tiering, which is fine it's just that this method isn't the only method.
 
Abu2411 said:
I just feel that people are going to worship maths as the be all end all when it comes to tiering high tier characters. There are many different ways to tier characters and this wiki has settled on mathematical tiering, which is fine it's just that this method isn't the only method.
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we represent their power in math
that's different, u can literally represent anything with math, what's the issue?
 
The issue is that people won't realise that powerscaling is subjective and using maths is just one way to Tier characters. It doesn't matter if maths can represent everything if there are characters which transcend maths. Logically this isn't possible, but we are dealing with beings who don't subscribe to our logic, that's what transduality is.
 
Abu2411 said:
The issue is that people won't realise that powerscaling is subjective and using maths is just one way to Tier characters. It doesn't matter if maths can represent everything if there are characters which transcend maths. Logically this isn't possible, but we are dealing with beings who don't subscribe to our logic, that's what transduality is.
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we use math to represent out subjective views
so
 
math isn't just 1 thing, characters who transcends hard maths are already tier 0

simply saying i transcend math isn't enough
 
Sus said:
we use math to represent out subjective views
so
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Yes, this wiki is using maths to represent subjective views.

My problem is with people who think that our system is objectively true because it's based on maths.
 
Sus said:
I'm being honest, out system makes the most sense, other systems rely on metaphysical omnipotence bullshit
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Even though I agree with you, that's still a subjective opinion.

I think a part of it has to do with the fact this site is really popular which drags in many more people as well as the fact that we actually have a system in the first place.

Sites like reddit whowouldwin aren't good imo because like each user there has a different standard/system they use. They're inconsistent.
 
Abu2411 said:
Even though I agree with you, that's still a subjective opinion.

I think a part of it has to do with the fact this site is really popular which drags in many more people as well as the fact that we actually have a system in the first place.

Sites like reddit whowouldwin aren't good imo because like each user there has a different standard/system they use. They're inconsistent.
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i mean, we know it's subjective, no one said our system is 100% true, at least i never saw someone says it
 
just noting that the more u understand set theory you will see why it's the best way to rate power

i legit said that the system here is trash, until i fully understood it and now i always use it
 
Sus said:
just noting that the more u understand set theory you will see why it's the best way to rate power

i legit said that the system here is trash, until i fully understood it and now i always use it
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Nah dude. That's stupid.

You use whichever system makes your favourite verse the most powerful.
 
Abu2411 said:
Nah dude. That's stupid.

You use whichever system makes your favourite verse the most powerful.
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how? this wiki has digimon at the lowest level i have seen yet i never complained, because you know what? unlike most people, I'm not biased, I'm fine with my favorite verse being tier 11, as long as it's consistent

i have seen 1A and even tier 0 digimon scales and i laugh at them, not tryna defend the wiki with my life or something, but it makes the most sense to me
name a forum with a better system so i can change my mind
 
Sus said:
how? this wiki has digimon at the lowest level i have seen yet i never complained, because you know what? unlike most people, I'm not biased, I'm fine with my favorite verse being tier 11, as long as it's consistent

i have seen 1A and even tier 0 digimon scales and i laugh at them, not tryna defend the wiki with my life or something, but it makes the most sense to me
name a forum with a better system so i can change my mind
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Holy shit dude it was a joke.
 
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