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And yes, certain FC/OC verses have surpassed both suggs and mathiverse currently.

also you cant suprass that really because if you suprass it your power cant be well... understanded
 
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also you cant suprass that really because if you suprass it your power cant be well... understanded
It's a fact tho, up to you if you still want to deny it :/

(and funnily enough lots of verses there DO use "power can't be understood" type of stuff, or at least something close to it)
 
You know i was going to mention something like "dont say that sugg author can hear us and steal our conversation and copypaste the ideas" but considering he directly copy pasted it i will not be suprised if he seeing this conversation
 
You know i was going to mention something like "dont say that sugg author can hear us and steal our conversation and copypaste the ideas" but considering he directly copy pasted it i will not be suprised if he seeing this conversation
He'll never find out the secrets of FC/OC tho, forever fodder he will be :)
 
also you cant suprass that really because if you suprass it your power cant be well... understanded
You can surpass it. Since its fiction characters can transcend maths if you want them to. There is no limit to power. You can have a character stronger than the Mathiverse, and then a character stronger than that.
He'll never find out the secrets of FC/OC tho, forever fodder he will be :)
What's the strongest verse on FC/OC wiki again?
 
You can surpass it. Since its fiction characters can transcend maths if you want them to. There is no limit to power. You can have a character stronger than the Mathiverse, and then a character stronger than that.
Alredy explained how that isnt possible
 
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You really cant tracend maths because there is no way to show that like how we treath omnipotents here you really cant show that saying "i am omnipotent" wouldnt cut that and by your logic Chutullu mythos should be like tier -1
 
You really cant tracend maths because there is no way to show that like how we treath omnipotents here you really cant show that saying "i am omnipotent" wouldnt cut that and by your logic Chutullu mythos should be like tier -1
but -1 doesn't exist because no matter how high you are you'll still be tier 0 which has no end-point :/
 
You know i was going to mention something like "dont say that sugg author can hear us and steal our conversation and copypaste the ideas" but considering he directly copy pasted it i will not be suprised if he seeing this conversation

Also

You really cant tracend maths because there is no way to show that like how we treath omnipotents here you really cant show that saying "i am omnipotent" wouldnt cut that and by your logic Chutullu mythos should be like tier -1
 
You really cant tracend maths because there is no way to show that like how we treath omnipotents here you really cant show that saying "i am omnipotent" wouldnt cut that and by your logic Chutullu mythos should be like tier -1
Nope. Omnipotence is different.

Omnipotent means being all-powerful and thus, no one being above you. It's a NLF because it claims to be the peak of power.

Being stronger than Mathiverse isn't an NLF, since you're not saying that there is no being that could possibly be stronger than you.
 
Saying nobody can surpass Mathiverse is literally saying that it's the strongest character in fiction, which is just absurd because there will always be something higher.
 
Nope. Omnipotence is different.

Omnipotent means being all-powerful and thus, no one being above you. It's a NLF because it claims to be the peak of power.

Being stronger than Mathiverse isn't an NLF, since you're not saying that there is no being that could possibly be stronger than you
Mathematics comprass true infinity who is pratically omnipotent as it compass everything and everyone and tier 0 before the massive Wiki changes was kinda that
 
Mathematics comprass true infinity who is pratically omnipotent as it compass everything and everyone and tier 0 before the massive Wiki changes was kinda that
And now you're making an NLF statement by saying nothing can be stronger than true infinity. This is fiction, you can be stronger than absolute infinity.
 
And now you're making an NLF statement by saying nothing can be stronger than true infinity. This is fiction, you can be stronger than absolute infinity.
I mean you cant be """"""""""""""""""""stronger"""""""""""""""""""" that true infinity but if you are then your power cant be measured as i explained and you still have to give more arguments that "is fiction so it can be stronger"
 
I mean you cant be """"""""""""""""""""stronger"""""""""""""""""""" that true infinity but if you are then your power cant be measured as i explained and you still have to give more arguments that "is fiction so it can be stronger"
i know the arguments and stuff how but i can't leak it here :censored:
 
sorry but I'm leaving this conversation before I say something I'm not supposed to, don't want the others to be angry 😞
 
sorry but I'm leaving this conversation before I say something I'm not supposed to, don't want the others to be angry 😞
Oh yeah i am buying that a misterious guy appears out of tin air says that he knows things that several years of research in information then is confidential sorry if i sound like a jack ass but that is the truth
 
Oh yeah i am buying that a misterious guy appears out of tin air says that he knows things that several years of research in information then is confidential sorry if i sound like a jack ass but that is the truth
i'm not even joking the guy who made the tiering system made an extended system that's shared on the fc/oc server.

we decided to not spread it further because people like suggs exist, but you do you my friend 🤷‍♂️

(I'm also worried somebody might be seeing this, please don't tell anybody I said this)
 
i'm not even joking the guy who made the tiering system made an extended system that's shared on the fc/oc server.

we decided to not spread it further because people like suggs exist, but you do you my friend 🤷‍♂️

(I'm also worried somebody might be seeing this, please don't tell anybody I said this)
That is extended and by logic not canon to the wiki and i dont know if it make sense or even try to tackle the "you cant be bigger that absolute infinite" problem
 
That is extended and by logic not canon to the wiki and i dont know if it make sense or even try to tackle the "you cant be bigger that absolute infinite" problem
the wiki doesn't even have a canon but if you mean it's not used here, then yes, it's not. Nobody even said it's "canon" to the wiki 🤷‍♂️

It tackles a lot of problems and it's made by the literal person who made the tiering system in the first place and is kept being perfected to rid of its problems.
 
the wiki doesn't even have a canon but if you mean it's not used here, then yes, it's not. Nobody even said it's "canon" to the wiki 🤷‍♂️

It tackles a lot of problems and it's made by the literal person who made the tiering system in the first place and is kept being perfected to rid of its problems.
If you could give me the link it will be appreciated but you may thing i will leak it so yeah...
 
If you could give me the link it will be appreciated but you may thing i will leak it so yeah...
See this is exactly why I didn't want to talk much because in the end people would want to know about it.

It's not that I don't want to give you but it's because of the reasons I said above, I don't know if the others are going to be fine with me sharing it. I know for a fact that some are going to be very displeased by it.
 
See this is exactly why I didn't want to talk much because in the end people would want to know about it.

It's not that I don't want to give you but it's because of the reasons I said above, I don't know if the others are going to be fine with me sharing it. I know for a fact that some are going to be very displeased by it.
Man everyone is this wiki also hates this wiki (okay not everyone but a big part haved a moment of almsot leaving the wiki because some BS that happened damn even me leaved after the 8 bit accident) but okay i understand it :)
 
"Cantor's Infinite" refers to Aleph, and being above that is High 1-A.

The page isn't wrong.
 
I mean you cant be """"""""""""""""""""stronger"""""""""""""""""""" that true infinity but if you are then your power cant be measured as i explained and you still have to give more arguments that "is fiction so it can be stronger"
Yes it is fiction, that means it doesn't have to abide by our rules. You can have a character transcend maths.

The reason is because there is no peak to power which is my main point. You can't be so powerful nothing is more powerful than you.
 
This entire thread has turned into absolute nonsense lol!

You made an OP fictional verse, congrats 99.9% of the world don't give a crap.
It kind of is yeah. The only people who care are guys like us.

I feel as if Vs Battles (not the wiki the concept of vs battling) have made me view fiction in ways where I less appreciate them? idk how to explain it.
 
It kind of is yeah. The only people who care are guys like us.

I feel as if Vs Battles (not the wiki the concept of vs battling) have made me view fiction in ways where I less appreciate them? idk how to explain it.
That's what happens when you spend too much time battle-boarding, you begin to forget the whole point of fiction: escapism, creativity, fun, etc.

Eventually some folks get so wrapped up in a glorified dick measuring contest they actually forget how to function properly in society or as an actual human being (it's a pretty serious problem tbh) and it's partly the reason authors that have any connections to battle-boarding are banned alongside their works across the entire VS community (minus joke/meme wikis ofc), to "encourage" them to get a "reality" check.

Similar to Alice in Wonderland tho, once you go down the rabbit hole it's almost impossible to escape and you might end up losing your head instead...
 
reminder that Suggs remade his cosmology and copy pasted Mathhiverse's vsbw justification + plagiarized the book itself for his universe so they're at the very least equal now.

And yes, certain FC/OC verses have surpassed both suggs and mathiverse currently.
Suggs is really desperate, isn't he??
BTW which FC characters surpassed mathiverse?
 
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