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I mean, then we should disregard the statements about Garou vs Boros too...SuperAPM said:ONE never said Mob was equal to Tats, he said he wasn't sure who would win in a fight. Aside from the vagueness of the statement itself, everyone seems to fixate specifically on the AP statistics of both when there's several other factors at play that could determine the outcome of the fight regardless of AP.
I don't really agree here. Compare how detailed he is with Boros vs Garou compared to Tornado vs MobKGiffoni said:I mean, then we should disregard the statements about Garou vs Boros too...
But thats what I'm saying. I'm not scaling because Flashy Flashes expression, I'm scaling because he literally said "What was that?" while Saitama has a thought bubble telling us he saw everything clearly (as in he saw it was a human bursting from the ground). I am the one disregarding the little monster in the cart "reacting to the Psykos" because he screamed at a surprised explosion.Qawsedf234 said:Expressing confusion to a random explosion is not a valid scaling justification anymore than Batman going "!" to the Flash running as a reason to make him MFTL+.
Yeah I think both are usable. Just that if we're ignoring the Mob one doesn't necessarily mean we should also ignore the Boros vs Garou one.KGiffoni said:Level of details shouldn't make one awnser above or below the other. I personally think we should utilize both statements, both were made during interviews. The fact he said more stuff about one awnser shouldn't make we ditch the other one completly.
What are you even talking about? The excuse for Flashy is that he "wasn't taken it seriously", "wasn't using his top speed", "isn't always relativistic". I get that but we can't have his speed rating be "At least Relativistic" if he has so many showings of not being Relativistic all the time. He can't be relativistic but conviently not when he is legitimately surprised or anything like that unless his profile reflects it.SuperAPM said:The basis of your argument is that Flashy remains at Relativistic speeds at all times, despite the amount of showings that demonstrates this to be complete nonsense. You understand that if this were the case Wasowski would also need to be relativistic to be able to have a conversation with him, correct? No, Flashy's at cruising speeds at this very moment and most definitely nowhere near his top speeds. What his cruising speed looks like, at least in this very moment, is completely unknown, which at best makes Psykos's feat completely unquantifiable.
Sounds about right to me.Phoenks said:Wait so what is Orochi getting? High-Mid Regen via Absorption? And type 2 immortality?
So holding back Flashy Flash is relativistic. Flashy Flashy that gets suprised numerous times is conveniently not? And his profile doesn't reflect this? He's just straight up relativistic all the time?SuperAPM said:Flashy is rated as "At least Relativistic" because the relativistic feat in question was performed whilst he was holding back to match the two ninja's speed. Doesn't change the fact such speeds is still highly above his regular cruising speed and clearly way above whatever speed he was at at that moment in order to be able to have normal conversations with Wasowski over there.
Sonic the Hedgehog and The Flash says: Fact.Qawsedf234 said:Almost no fictional speedster operates at 100% at all times.
Almost no fictional speedster operates at 100% at all times. Just because he can move Rel doesn't mean he's Rel at every moment. If he was then he wouldn't have gotten lost in the MA base, since he would be able to circle the planet in like, two seconds. Let alone a small self-contained location.Qawsedf234 said:He's just straight up relativistic all the time?
But what I'm saying is casual Flashy is apparently Relativistic and casual Flashy also has been surprised on numerous occasions when it comes to other's speed but we take it as him not being serious or give an excuse for it. That is different from the Flash having MFTL+ speed at 100% but casually being Relativistic or Subsonic because he isn't at 100% all the time.Qawsedf234 said:I mean, Flash has casual speed feats in the rel range like this one. But the Flash also doesn't always operate at this speed, as shown by stuff like him being knocked out by a whale rocking a boat or a person falling on him. That isn't to say the Flash is slow, he isn't, but he doesn't always operate at 100% because there isn't a need for it.
In this same situation, there's no reason for Flashy Flash to be at full speed anymore than Saitama is. To scale anyone to a Rel rating would be to scale random fodder wolf level threats to this rel rating or how we scaled B-Class heroes to Atomic Samurai in the past. Its just super flimsy evidence to be used for the sake of an upgrade. If they get something more solid I'll agree with it, but this isn't solid in my view.