Strongest One Punch Man General Discussion Thread v13

[Epiccheev]

i feel like the "absorb black matter" is describing the visual aspect of the regen rather than the mechanics.

 

[DbzDB2]

This was ONE's thoughts on the match
ONE: Garou or Boros, who would win? Before, Boros was definitely the stronger one, but Garou is now a near-perfect monster. I don't really know. A good match . . . I do believe Garou is stronger in close combat where things like punches and kicks can generally be avoided.

Even if you look at the depiction in the work, Boros fights with overwhelming power, excellent regenerative ability, and energy attack from a long distance, whereas Garou fights with excellent fighting ability (Although it was moderate, Saitama (I showed his attack many times.) I can't say which one is stronger.

They're similar in power, but from ONE's wording Boros seems like the larger physical threat.

ONE didnt say half of that

 

[Qawsedf234]

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People are more familiar with the first half, but both sections were said by him.

 

[Dienomite22]

Should Garou get limited-resistance to sleep manipulation or an addition to his instinctive reaction noting he can fight while unconcious or does instinctive reaction in general covers that?

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Should Garou get limited-resistance to sleep manipulation or an addition to his instinctive reaction noting he can fight while unconcious or does instinctive reaction in general covers that?

I think so. I'm unsure which one, though.

 

[Phoenks]

Both

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Should he also get Cloth Manipulation or Fusionism? He stated that at one point, his clothing hardened and became stuck to his body in order to cover his wounds.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Yeah he should.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3945998
Can we finish up here?

This is important for scaling.

 

[The_Causality]

I wonder if we could scale most of the high level Dragon level to the Meteors feat since according to Genos, Gouketsu was strong enough that Saitama and a S-Class group is needed in order to defeat him (judging by what he already seen of Saitama's strength).

 

[GyroNutz]

Gouketsu doesn't scale to anyone. It might work to scale just Gouketsu though.

 

[SuperAPM]

I will say I do think Gouketsu's rating is a little lowballed at the moment tho.

 

[GyroNutz]

To be perfectly honest I feel like most top heroes/monsters have lowballed ratings.

 

[SuperAPM]

Well I do agree a lot of heroes are most likely higher than what they're currently rated. But for Gouketsu specifically I was referring to the feat that gives him his rating.

 

[DbzDB2]

I will say I do think Gouketsu's rating is a little lowballed at the moment tho.

absolutely. when the feat was being calced they used 5 seconds instead of 1 second for the timeframe of the cloud dispersion. 5 seconds is absolute bullshit for obvious reasons. if they used 1 second it would have been 6-C iirc.

 

[ElixirBlue]

On the topic of Garou, how do we define his relationship with "Sleep Hax" now?

The current chapter of the manga, shows Garou still fighting strong while sleeping. Obviously, Garou doesn't resist SleepHax and isn't immune to it but SleepHax doesn't stop Garou or incap him.

However, as shown in the manga, his skill goes down as he just goes animalistic or Berserk on his opponent. We can assume he can't use reflection or any techniques while he's asleep and can't use any abilities that require thinking like Analytical Prediction but he can still keep fighting.

How do we list that on his page for powers and abilities?

 

[Phoenks]

liimited Resistance to Sleep Manipulation (Can continue on fighting despite being unconscious)

Or I guess you can just list it as "Can fight while unconscious" on his powers?

Would these work?

 

[ElixirBlue]

I'm not sure.

We would also have to state that his skill decreases in his sleep and his movements get more predictable. Yet can still make after images.

 

[Phoenks]

Then just list that in weaknesses or in the parentheses.

 

[Epiccheev]

we could just add it to his instinctive reaction in a similar fashion to the skill for consistency inside the wiki, and then note that he loses part of his technique while doing so

 

[Dienomite22]

I think its more that he isn't aware of who he is fighting and has trouble adapting accordingly rather than being unable to use techniques or anything like that while asleep. After he couldn't beat Darkshine with barrages, he tried using speed. If Darkshine didn't wake him up then I would argue Garou would've used techniques.

 

[ElixirBlue]

I believe that too but nothing insinuates that. Techniques required critical thinking, instead of instinctual reactions. You can chop it up going from barrage to instinctua, not requiring thoughtZ

 

[Dienomite22]

Garou saying "oh your Darkshine?" after waking up already insinuates that. "Fighting in your sleep" should be impossible and would also require critical thinking as well, especially to do what Garou was doing. The chapter makes no mention that Garou doesn't use techniques when he fights in his sleep and it does show that he switches up his methods of attacks if they don't work as seen when he switched from using brute force to speed.

 

[Dienomite22]

It's more likely that because Garou is unconscious, he has a harder time developing a counter to his opponent's fighting style (because he is unaware of who they are) and takes a more direct approach to feel them out.

Not that Garou won't or can't use techniques while unconscious.

His martial arts is deeply a part of him and he is able to subconsciously copy/develop new martial arts according to this chapter. I doubt sleeping Garou would have such a strange weekness.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

How does Metal Bat not have rage power on his profile

 

[DbzDB2]

How does Metal Bat not have rage power on his profile

he gets stronger by getting injured, not through anger.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

He does have Rage Power, it's just hidden.

"and as he turns angrier"

 

[Nullflowerblush]

It should be placed in the parentheses following his Fighting Spirit, but it's right after his Regenerationn.

 

[Qawsedf234]

New thread: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/4020999