STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

[Alexander]

How am i contradicting myself?

He thought it was hallucination, not real.

Then he escapes, attacks and gets hit, gets sent to the wall, then checks and sees three second passed, affirming it wasn't hallucination but a real space.

So is the time not moving (from the perspective of everyone, everything happens instantly) still valid and i just need to change the scan?

 

[Epiccheev]

the dark side of the moon.

Peak album.

 

[Ourosboros]

Oh hey, is it a chapter week? How convenient that I felt the impulse to check here five minutes before Midnight Japan-time

 

[MrTayman616]

Oh hey, is it a chapter week?

Yes.

 

[Ourosboros]

Yes.

Nice, I look forward to it tomorrow.

I am disappointed that there doesn't seem to be any real grounds for Suiryu to fight Garou. I wish there were more serious conflict between main characters we'd generally be inclined to support in the manga, I'm a little starved for that. We have gotten conflict, like Tatsumaki vs Fubuki, but the tensions not quite as high as I would like.

Of course it doesn't really matter if Suiryu fights Garou under any circumstances because Garou seems to be the better fighter by a mile- it's hard to believe that Suiryu, without a suit, without any new techniques, can match roaring aura sky ripping fist. All I hope for is that Garou has some kind of limited monster transformation. That would be a cool ability for him to have, even if it seems to contradict his calmer manga portrayal.

 

[MrTayman616]

FTL+ with Awakening Breath (Faster than before. Could keep up with Post-Darkshine Garou, who also used the Awakening Breath)

When did this happen to Bang

From MHS+ to FTL+ Amp via Awakening breath? The chain looks like a mess rn imo. Same for some of the AP chain scaling. I might make a downgrade thread soon.

 

[Kachon123]

Of course it doesn't really matter if Suiryu fights Garou under any circumstances because Garou seems to be the better fighter by a mile- it's hard to believe that Suiryu, without a suit, without any new techniques, can match roaring aura sky ripping fist. All I hope for is that Garou has some kind of limited monster transformation. That would be a cool ability for him to have, even if it seems to contradict his calmer manga portrayal.

Suiko was able to somewhat mimic the water stream rock smashing fist, so given that Suiryu is portrayed as significantly more talented than her while she's the hard working type, I wouldn't be surprised if he has a type of innate copying ability similar to Garou's. That could explain how he manages to keep up even without using a battle suit

 

[Kachon123]

From MHS+ to FTL+ Amp via Awakening breath? The chain looks like a mess rn imo. Same for some of the AP chain scaling. I might make a downgrade thread soon.

Sub-Rel+ to FTL+. Garou didn't get any faster from his fight with Bang to when he dodged Platinum Sperm and Flashy Flash's surprise attacks. Awakening Breath Bang being that fast is valid.

 

[Raiden38]

When did this happen to Bang

From MHS+ to FTL+ Amp via Awakening breath? The chain looks like a mess rn imo. Same for some of the AP chain scaling. I might make a downgrade thread soon.

It has been accepted that there is no reason why Monster Garou should be less strong and faster than Awakened Garou also because there are multiple statements showing that he did not gain significant increases in strength etc after awakening so it is plausible that the profiles are as we see them it is difficult to accept Silver Fang being close in speed to Flashy but it must be said that he returns with what the series shows

 

[Ourosboros]

Suiko was able to somewhat mimic the water stream rock smashing fist, so given that Suiryu is portrayed as significantly more talented than her while she's the hard working type, I wouldn't be surprised if he has a type of innate copying ability similar to Garou's. That could explain how he manages to keep up even without using a battle suit

I can see Suiryu having an ability like that. It's been clarified like three times that he hardly trains yet is still s-class level while 'out of shape' and with 'sloppy technique'. I say out-of-shape and sloppy-technique because it seems clear to me that training could physically buff him and he could climb several tiers with mastery of the void fist similar to how pure technique can boost a user several tiers in WSRSF.

Obviously it's possible for humans to get stronger, tougher and faster (in movement and reflexes) in the OPM world simply by training their muscles up to the point of their natural limiter, way beyond what's possible irl.

However, I think certain martial arts techniques straight up buff someone's attack and defensive power once you reach certain skill-caps. I believe Garou's evolution and WSRSF improvement demonstrates this principle. Let me use a hypothetical person with normal human genetic potential- meaning that if they trained in the gym, they would still be too weak to be a c-class hero- with various levels of training.

1. (Charanko-tier knowledge), AKA basic forms and strikes = not quite a c-class hero. Don't think white belts have 'superpowers' yet, but still more dangerous than irl martial arts.
2. (Sourface-tier knowledge), AKA intermediate forms but no 'water lines' = low-tier c-class hero. I'm making an assumption here, but Sourface is clearly vastly superior to Charanko... hard to say how much of that is genetics + physique and how much is mastery, but he was able to compete in the Superfight tournament against B-A class heroes so I think an intermediate magical martial arts user is basically a low-tier superhuman.
3. (Hero Hunter Garou-tier knowledge) AKA advanced forms w/ rough 'water lines' = solidly b-class. At this level the martial art becomes magical and you can deflect bullets, fire, things that would one-shot you... but there's still a limit. Probably something like x10, x20. So if you're an athlete- you can deal and block wall-level attacks.
4. (Bang tier knowledge) AKA smooth 'water lines' = borderline a-class. The attack reflection limit, the mobility buffs are off the charts now. An athletic irl human can demolish wolf-level threats and might even be able to defend against certain tiger levels.

If this is how skill works in OPM, then Suiryu can certainly go from a high demon/above demon to mid-dragon simply by reaching complete mastery. With enhanced physical training, I can see him becoming one of the weaker high dragons. However, we'll need to see his learning curve- logically unlocking this potential should take many months or even a decade.

 

[Raiden38]

It has been accepted that there is no reason why Monster Garou should be less strong and faster than Awakened Garou also because there are multiple statements showing that he did not gain significant increases in strength etc after awakening so it is plausible that the profiles are as we see them it is difficult to accept Silver Fang being close in speed to Flashy but it must be said that he returns with what the series shows

then for the 44Tt it comes from Silver fang that overwhelms Darkshine in a sparring match...Silver fang and Bomb are put in difficulty by Overgrown rover and the latter is equal to or weaker than Gyoro Gyoro etc etc if there is something you find wrong tell us without problems

 

[Raiden38]

I can see Suiryu having an ability like that. It's been clarified like three times that he hardly trains yet is still s-class level while 'out of shape' and with 'sloppy technique'. I say out-of-shape and sloppy-technique because it seems clear to me that training could physically buff him and he could climb several tiers with mastery of the void fist similar to how pure technique can boost a user several tiers in WSRSF.

Obviously it's possible for humans to get stronger, tougher and faster (in movement and reflexes) in the OPM world simply by training their muscles up to the point of their natural limiter, way beyond what's possible irl.

However, I think certain martial arts techniques straight up buff someone's attack and defensive power once you reach certain skill-caps. I believe Garou's evolution and WSRSF improvement demonstrates this principle. Let me use a hypothetical person with normal human genetic potential- meaning that if they trained in the gym, they would still be too weak to be a c-class hero- with various levels of training.

1. (Charanko-tier knowledge), AKA basic forms and strikes = not quite a c-class hero. Don't think white belts have 'superpowers' yet, but still more dangerous than irl martial arts.
2. (Sourface-tier knowledge), AKA intermediate forms but no 'water lines' = low-tier c-class hero. I'm making an assumption here, but Sourface is clearly vastly superior to Charanko... hard to say how much of that is genetics + physique and how much is mastery, but he was able to compete in the Superfight tournament against B-A class heroes so I think an intermediate magical martial arts user is basically a low-tier superhuman.
3. (Hero Hunter Garou-tier knowledge) AKA advanced forms w/ rough 'water lines' = solidly b-class. At this level the martial art becomes magical and you can deflect bullets, fire, things that would one-shot you... but there's still a limit. Probably something like x10, x20. So if you're an athlete- you can deal and block wall-level attacks.
4. (Bang tier knowledge) AKA smooth 'water lines' = borderline a-class. The attack reflection limit, the mobility buffs are off the charts now. An athletic irl human can demolish wolf-level threats and might even be able to defend against certain tiger levels.

If this is how skill works in OPM, then Suiryu can certainly go from a high demon/above demon to mid-dragon simply by reaching complete mastery. With enhanced physical training, I can see him becoming one of the weaker high dragons. However, we'll need to see his learning curve- logically unlocking this potential should take many months or even a decade.

you forgot about Charanko super Saiyan 5 tier

 

[Entity]

Suiryu vs Garou when?

 

[Raiden38]

Suiryu vs Garou when?

Maybe in the chapter of this week

 

[Raiden38]

then for the 44Tt it comes from Silver fang that overwhelms Darkshine in a sparring match...Silver fang and Bomb are put in difficulty by Overgrown rover and the latter is equal to or weaker than Gyoro Gyoro etc etc if there is something you find wrong tell us without problems

Kachon needs to fix the back page because some people may get confused...

 

[Ourosboros]

Suiryu vs Garou when?

Tomorrow, maybe. They'll probably just spar though.

Like I was saying just now Suiryu realistically shouldn't be much stronger than he was versus Choze/Bakuzan, meaning that Garou should demolish him if he uses the Roaring Aura Sky Ripping Fist. If they do a friendly spar, which Garou will have to be convinced to do, that's fine. But if it gets heated Suiryu will need some X-factor he hasn't already shown to make it interesting- remember that he's not wearing his Neo-leader suit.

 

[Ourosboros]

you forgot about Charanko super Saiyan 5 tier

How could I forget that