STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

[ZillertheBucko]

You will basically never find someone putting boros lower than the wiki does, except maybe Redditors
There’s so many L standards to put up with here I feel like I could try to give Superman superhuman physical characteristics and there’d be a discussion rule against it

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Just gonna drop it here. I don't expect it to be accepted or anything

Boros Destroys Pillars

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[LordTracer]

You will basically never find someone putting boros lower than the wiki does, except maybe Redditors
There’s so many L standards to put up with here I feel like I could try to give Superman superhuman physical characteristics and there’d be a discussion rule against it

Superman already has Superhuman Physical Characteristics, almost every character on the wiki does

Also, genuine question, if you hate the standards so much, and you’re not willing to try to change them… why even stay here?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Superman already has Superhuman Physical Characteristics, almost every character on the wiki does

Also, genuine question, if you hate the standards so much, and you’re not willing to try to change them… why even stay here?

Because there’s more than just standards? This isn’t the standards battle wiki, it has them, and a lot of them suck, but there’s other things to do
also who the **** can even change standards anyways, I’d have to get an admin to do it for me since that type of stuff is usually staff only
and it’s not like anybody would ever argue in favor of calc stacking here

 

[LordTracer]

also who the **** can even change standards anyways, I’d have to get an admin to do it for me since that type of stuff is usually staff only

Not really, normal users can start standard changing threads. Yes, they are usually staff only threads, but a regular user can start and contribute in those threads.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Not really, normal users can start standard changing threads. Yes, they are usually staff only threads, but a regular user can start and contribute in those threads.

yeah but nobody's gonna listen to me in the first place, since the people who support most standards are staff, and you can do nothing when staff disagree with you

 

[Quangotjokes]

Who's the guy who eas looking for a psychos match up? Danny phantom

 

[Recon1511]

yeah but nobody's gonna listen to me in the first place, since the people who support most standards are staff, and you can do nothing when staff disagree with you

Have you tried using good arguments? that might do the trick

 

[Apeironaxim]

Have you tried using good arguments? that might do the trick

 

[Recon1511]

Just gonna drop it here. I don't expect it to be accepted or anything

Boros Destroys Pillars

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That actually looks pretty good, get some CGM's to evaluate it and make a CRT if you want

 

[Kachon123]

That's 100% calcstacking.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Who's the guy who eas looking for a psychos match up? Danny phantom

Cool. Thanks for the suggestion!

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Have you tried using good arguments? that might do the trick

shut the **** up

 

[LordTracer]

Just gonna drop it here. I don't expect it to be accepted or anything

Boros Destroys Pillars

vsbattles.fandom.com

Yeah, that’s absolutely calc-stacking.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

at least we know that boros is moon level everywhere other than the wiki

 

[Recon1511]

I dunno why we don't use the databook statement, also the attack actual translation is "Planet Buster Roaring Cannon"

 

[Kachon123]

at least we know that boros is moon level everywhere other than the wiki

Why do you keep mentioning things outside of the wiki?

 

[LordTracer]

I dunno why we don't use the databook statement, also the attack actual translation is "Planet Buster Roaring Cannon"

We do use the databook statement, and rating the attack at 5-B because of that would be Name Fallacy.

 

[Cryo123]

That's 100% calcstacking.

It actually matches none of the calc stacking rules, as seen here Link.

 

[Sus]

I actually think we should be less strict with calc stacking

 

[Cryo123]

Pretty much there's no rule against calculating the strength of a fictional material, and then using that calculated strength to calculate other feats.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Just gonna drop it here. I don't expect it to be accepted or anything

Boros Destroys Pillars

vsbattles.fandom.com

Make a crt and see how it goes

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Make a crt and see how it goes

The calc hasn't been evaluated or accepted yet

 

[Cryo123]

The calc hasn't been evaluated or accepted yet

Please include that it doesn't break calc staking rules, otherwise it will get Disagree FRA'd into oblivion.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Pretty much there's no rule against calculating the strength of a fictional material, and then using that calculated strength to calculate other feats.

hmm? Is this the new loophole? Interesting if true...

 

[CloverDragon03]

Using Saitama's Moon jump AP to calculate Boros destroying parts of his ship is 100% calc stacking, you'd just scale Boros above the Moon jump

 

[ZillertheBucko]

no calc stacking is the worst rule ever
"uhhhh it's bad because if you do it then verses would get upgraded" or something

 

[Recon1511]

Make a CRT to change the rule then

 

[Cryo123]

Using Saitama's Moon jump AP to calculate Boros destroying parts of his ship is 100% calc stacking,

No it's not. It'd be calc stacking if we said the destruction he caused was 1/3 of the Moon Jumps, so he's 1/3 the strength.

Calculating the actual strength of the material for future calculations is not calc stacking.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Make a CRT to change the rule then

nope!

 

[Cryo123]

Make a CRT to change the rule then

You can't make a rule CRT as a normal member iirc.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

No it's not. It'd be calc stacking if we said the destruction he caused was 1/3 of the Moon Jumps, so he's 1/3 the strength.

Calculating the actual strength of the material for future calculations is not calc stacking.

I was entertaining the idea but

• Character A has a certain attack potency through a calculation. They made a 1mm dent in character B's shield composed of a fictional material. But character C destroyed the whole 30mm thick shield, so character C is thirty times as strong as character A.

one of the examples of calc stacking according to the page so, yeah

 

[CloverDragon03]

No it's not. It'd be calc stacking if we said the destruction he caused was 1/3 of the Moon Jumps, so he's 1/3 the strength.

Calculating the actual strength of the material for future calculations is not calc stacking.

Well first of all, no that's not calc stacking, that's basic scaling. And even then, that's wrong. If he caused more damage to it than the Moon jump, you'd just scale him above the Moon jump.

You're using the AP of Saitama's Moon jump to get that strength, so you'd be stacking a calculation. That's the fact of the matter.

 

[Cryo123]

I was entertaining the idea but

• Character A has a certain attack potency through a calculation. They made a 1mm dent in character B's shield composed of a fictional material. But character C destroyed the whole 30mm thick shield, so character C is thirty times as strong as character A.

one of the examples of calc stacking according to the page so, yeah

But those aren't the same thing. In that example, they didn't find the durability of the shield, they just said "well person C did 30 times more damage, using character A's agreed AP, we can multiply that number by 30". They're 100% different.

 

[LordTracer]

You can't make a rule CRT as a normal member iirc.

Yes, you absolutely can.

 

[Cryo123]

Well first of all, no that's not calc stacking, that's basic scaling. And even then, that's wrong. If he caused more damage to it than the Moon jump, you'd just scale him above the Moon jump.

You're using the AP of Saitama's Moon jump to get that strength, so you'd be stacking a calculation. That's the fact of the matter.

Look at my other comment. This is different

Here's an example of calc stacking: Robert made a 1 mm hole in John's shield. Roxy made a 30 mm hole in that same shield. Using Robert's accepted AP of 200 Ninatons, we can multiply that by the 30 as that's how many times stronger Roxan is, coming out to 6,000 Ninatons.

Here's what's happening in this case: Robert made a 50 cubic meter hole in a metal alien ship. Due to how the clouds split, the feat was calculated to be 200 Ninatons of tnt. This means that the fragmentation strength of the alien ship is 40 Ninatons per cubic meter. Roxan manages to fragment 100 cubic meters of this same alien metal. At this point, it's just like using the frgamentation values for rock, 40 x 100 = 400 Ninatons of tnt.

I hope that it's obvious how different these scenarios are.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I dunno why we don't use the databook statement, also the attack actual translation is "Planet Buster Roaring Cannon"

oh
yeah
what databook would this be exactly

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

oh
yeah
what databook would this be exactly

The link on the bolded part:

(Expends all of his energy into a single attack. Stated that his attack would incinerate the Earth's surface)

 

[ZillertheBucko]

The link on the bolded part:

untranslated moment

 

[CloverDragon03]

Look at my other comment. This is different

Here's an example of calc stacking: Robert made a 1 mm hole in John's shield. Roxy made a 30 mm hole in that same shield. Using Robert's accepted AP of 200 Ninatons, we can multiply that by the 30 as that's how many times stronger Roxan is, coming out to 6,000 Ninatons.

Here's what's happening in this case: Robert made a 50 cubic meter hole in a metal alien ship. Due to how the clouds split, the feat was calculated to be 200 Ninatons of tnt. This means that the fragmentation strength of the alien ship is 40 Ninatons per cubic meter. Roxan manages to fragment 100 cubic meters of this same alien metal. At this point, it's just like using the frgamentation values for rock, 40 x 100 = 400 Ninatons of tnt.

I hope that it's obvious how different these scenarios are.

At best, both are calc stacking. This method fails to consider the possibility of characters on the same level as Robert's 200 ninatons of TNT that would appear to be less powerful due to, say, condensing their attacks over a smaller area. So suddenly, characters like this would appear weaker when they're not.

Neither of these methods are reliable to use, hence why in this case, Boros causing more damage to the ship would simply scale him unquantifiably above the Moon jump rather than doing any of this with it.