STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

[ZillertheBucko]

The reason the wiki is so strict is to make sure things remain as factually accurate as possible
of course, our genius and awesome standards result in Garou’s most potent by far and insanely powerful technique to copy AP, essentially 100% useless for anything 0.0001 joules values above his AP, even in spite of the author building up the fact that Garou has no limit repeatedly, it still gets squashed by “no limits” not being allowed according to the standards. Yes, this surely represents the character more accurately, because stricter always = better.
I think this is just one of many situations where some fundamental problem with the wiki is revealing itself.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

In the manga: “now that I can copy any power I see without limit, I can even have the power of the previously godlike Saitama”

The wiki: “now that he can copy power, he can do absolutely nothing”

this is this best way to represent this conundrum in my eyes

 

[Maitreya12]

Eh, ya win some ya lose some.

Doesn’t mean you can’t think your points to still be more true or valid, but like….eh

 

[Quantu]

Garou not even being able to copy baseline 3-C's is a bit cringe ngl

 

[Epiccheev]

Tbh any ability that does not have directly stated limits in the wiki tends to be trash. Reactive evolution as a whole only serves to get higher degrees of resistance to abilities you either have already shown resistance or gained resistance in later keys (wich is why earlier keys Rimuru is overpowered.), unless your RE gave you resistance to something really broken like conceptual manipulation or time manip wich makes it 4-D (and even then you need a decent amount of other miscellaneous resistances to be able to resist other haxes.)
Get's even worse with AP based Accelerated development, since it's only good if a character has grown from X to Y in a key. Like, Simon from Gurren Lagann has one of the best AD in the wiki and it's 100% useless because while he went from like High 6-A to (11-D) High 1-C it's too much of a stretch to assume he could even grow to 12-D. Garou's AD in 5-C will probably get treated as almost useless since he's never been stated to not have an upper limiter like Saitama.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

The thing that pisses me off the most is how there were like a million different evidences for 3-C garou
The sp^2 itself can’t be decisively proven to have destroyed 0 galaxies even with the given arguments, it’s technically entirely possible that it was a 3-B feat even. The graph would have also would have bumped them up to way more than baseline 3-C had it been accepted, but of course that thread started quite poorly (trash OP) and didn’t get accepted
And now this, which was probably the final chance. There’s technically no evidence that Garou can’t copy 3-A, but again the profiles will never acknowledge the existence of anything that isn’t the lowball. Even Garou’s most extremely important ability to copy AP in character has been lowballed to being literally not even an ability he has available. This is, scientifically speaking, a rapid fire series of complete bullshit threads.

Garou's AD in 5-C will probably get treated as almost useless since he's never been stated to not have an upper limiter like Saitama.

There’s strong evidence that he has broken his limiter too, but either way, the counterarguments in the garou copying 3-A thread already had assumed he had a removed limiter, and now limiters in general have essentially been made useless as far as the wiki sees it.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

by the way how is the thread of level 7 and 9 going?

 

[UltimateDarkGod666]

When Saitama was using less than 5-B AP Garou was copying him perfectly and when Saitama went straight from throwing under 5-B punches to ******* highend 4-A punch Garou also copied that 4-A punch perfectly without any problem, but him coping something less than 20 times stronger like baseline 3-C noooooo this is NLF

 

[Recon1511]

Honestly, i can see quite a dew upgrades when (if) a new databook on Monster Association arc comes out, will take many years, however.

Season 3 is gonna release in 2023 or early 2024 and the databook will definitely come with it but it will only cover events in the anime and a few manga things on the printed volumes.

I hope we get some pages explaining the limiter or something I dunno.

 

[Dienomite22]

When Saitama was using less than 5-B AP Garou was copying him perfectly and when Saitama went straight from throwing under 5-B punches to ******* highend 4-A punch Garou also copied that 4-A punch perfectly without any problem, but him coping something less than 20 times stronger like baseline 3-C noooooo this is NLF

peak vbw

 

[Recon1511]

by the way how is the thread of level 7 and 9 going?

It's okay, actually I don't think anyone recalculated the JDA

 

[Recon1511]

When Saitama was using less than 5-B AP Garou was copying him perfectly and when Saitama went straight from throwing under 5-B punches to ******* highend 4-A punch Garou also copied that 4-A punch perfectly without any problem, but him coping something less than 20 times stronger like baseline 3-C noooooo this is NLF

Doesn't this also mean Saitama can't face 3-C characters because his AD hasn't been shown to go beyond 4-A using this logic?

 

[Dienomite22]

Doesn't this also mean Saitama can't face 3-C characters because his AD hasn't been shown to go beyond 4-A using this logic?

yes

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

yes

W

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Doesn't this also mean Saitama can't face 3-C characters because his AD hasn't been shown to go beyond 4-A using this logic?

I dunno, the thread was about Power Mimicry right ? AD is a different ability and works differently

Use the standards to your side, be smart

 

[Recon1511]

I dunno, the thread was about Power Mimicry right ? AD is a different ability and works differently

Use the standards to your side, be smart

"NLF "

 

[Dienomite22]

I dunno, the thread was about Power Mimicry right ? AD is a different ability and works differently

Use the standards to your side, be smart

The same logic applies to both unironically.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

If he didn’t break the limiter he’d still be limited
Which means he’d get fodderized by Saitama, since he’d be below the limiter level

He didn't tho it's thanks to the monsterisation and God Amp

 

[ZillertheBucko]

He didn't tho it's thanks to the monsterisation and God Amp

make up your mind bro

 

[Coomandar]

what's Garou AP's value?

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

make up your mind bro

It's both he got amped by the monster cell as shown in the manga and that after the monster cell, he got amped up again by God.

 

[Coomandar]

just

what's Garou AP's value?

saw it, he is 558 TeraFoe.
also, if the graph makes him atleast 20 times stronger, shouldnt garou be atleast 10 zetafoe?
i just did 558 x 20 idk if's right, i dont even know how stronger he got using the graph
i mean, if this is right theres no reason why he couldnt copy a baseline 3-c character

 

[ZillertheBucko]

It's both he got amped by the monster cell as shown in the manga and that after the monster cell, he got amped up again by God.

So you’re headcanoning that getting amped just bypasses the limiter without breaking it

 

[Coomandar]

So you’re headcanoning that getting amped just bypasses the limiter without breaking it

God wants to kill saitama bc he did break his limiter, idk why god would break garou's limiter just to garou become another threat to him (god)

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

So you’re headcanoning that getting amped just bypasses the limiter without breaking it

Wtf are you saying? I'm saying is he didn't broke his limiters yet it was just the product of God Amp and Monster Cell amps

 

[Quantu]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/buuhan-vs-cosmic-fear-garou.142147

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Ngl I feel like the whole limiter concept was just flat out ignored with Cosmic Fear Mode's introduction

Idk how you can say CFM Garou's limiter wasn't broken after seeing him match a full power Saitama and forcing him to evolve

Unless now limiter concept was just reduced to having some reactive evolution

 

[Recon1511]

God wants to kill saitama bc he did break his limiter, idk why god would break garou's limiter just to garou become another threat to him (god)

Because God can instantly kill Garou by "forfeiting" his powers so he is in complete control even if Garou broke his limiter

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Idk how you can say CFM Garou's limiter wasn't broken after seeing him match a full power Saitama and forcing him to evolve

Because it wasn't stated i think ONE and Murata would state something that is so important to the story. So unless it's stated otherwise i'm not gonna easily believe it was broken.

 

[Recon1511]

Because it wasn't stated i think ONE and Murata would state something that is so important to the story.

lmfao

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Because it wasn't stated i think ONE and Murata would state something that is so important to the story. So unless is stated otherwise i'm not gonna easily believe it was broken.

Well forgive me for my lack of faith as they haven't exactly done much to keep it lately


I'm just saying that you would think matching the full power guy who broke his limiter would mean you broke yours too

 

[AnimesFreak2]

lmfao

Love that scene, peak Garou

But seriously, I'm pretty sure he was close to breaking his limiter but instead monsterized and got even closer to snapping it off but due to the whole internal conflict he had he was just short of actually doing it before Saitama kicked his shit in ( at least in the webcomic ) and pre cosmic fear Mode in the manga

 

[Recon1511]

Love that scene, peak Garou

But seriously, I'm pretty sure he was close to breaking his limiter but instead monsterized and got even closer to snapping it off but due to the whole internal conflict he had he was just short of actually doing it before Saitama kicked his shit in ( at least in the webcomic ) and pre cosmic fear Mode in the manga

Considering how absurd his RE and AD became after this fight and the fact he was deemed a worthy vessel for God makes it pretty apparent to me that he in fact broke his limiter.

Anyway I'm convinced that even if ONE directly said he broke his limiter Garou still couldn't copy people beyond 4-A cuz "nLf"

 

[Coomandar]

idk, limiter is just confusing, even in WC.
also is just nonsense, he jumped from 5-a to 4-a in one scam but can't copy 3-c baseline that isnt even 20 times stronger than him

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

lmfao

It's in the process of breaking but it's not broken yet.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

idk, limiter is just confusing, even in WC

Amen my guy

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

I'm just saying that you would think matching the full power guy who broke his limiter would mean you broke yours too

That's understandable. I just really think Garou would be stronger than Saitama if he broke his limiter there because he was in so much steroids (amps) in their fight.

 

[Coomandar]

Amen my guy

what does amen mean fy? u know i'm brazilian and for me "ameM" means gratitude to god

 

[AnimesFreak2]

what does amen mean fy? u know i'm brazilian and for me "ameM" means gratitude to god

Amen means gratitude to God

But there also the slang way of using it which basically translates to I agree

Like when a friend says something and you're all like "Amen to that"

 

[Maitreya12]

idk, limiter is just confusing, even in WC.
also is just nonsense, he jumped from 5-a to 4-a in one scam but can't copy 3-c baseline that isnt even 20 times stronger than him

Garou went from 5a to 4a or whatever but from his 4a key, his power mimicry of AP is no longer applicable. We finished the CRT over this.