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Strongest Non-Smurf Low 2-C (Discussion)

Range and immortality shenanigans aside.

"it literally destabilizes the foe’s power and rewrites the narrative to let them win. And it works when any powers of chaos are active, which given Dark Lord soma is being used that’s what’s happening. Meaning whatever Sword Logic does literally does not work as it’s destabilized completely." - How Dracula's plot manipulation works according to Glass.

Thing is, that doesn't work. Dracula doesn't have the range or interaction feats to do anything to the Sword Logic.
 
I don't really understand how to make them fight.

Btw, Arata here has Breakdown Phenomenon which can be used to attack, also Breakdown Phenomenon will make you turn into particles and then absorbed in the world of nothingness.

In addition, Arata has Limited NeP & Ae1 aspect types 1 & 3 obtained from Yui Kurata's Law Manipulation (for justification, please see Yui's profile, because Arata was scaled by her), so of course it is a defense for Arata.

However, Arata's Power Nullification can negate your abilities, as it can negate Law Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation, Sealing, Cloth, Transformation, & Magic.
 
For now, I will find out first, because it will be very difficult if arata fights with characters who have ae1/nep.
 
Yes, I think Arata can beat Giygas, because defensively and offensively, Arata is much better.

However, AE1 Arata is not just about one thing, he is an illusion, a dream, a vision, and a reality.

So, Giygas position will be replaced by Arata.
 
Rendynoc0unter said:
I think Arata can beat Medea, ability-wise.
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Medea has Immortality Type 9 at 2A Distance.

Also, what can Arata do against it?

Infinity Destroyer: Medea can use conceptual attacks to instantly kill her opponents by materializing the concept of death on the target(s) to end their lives. The attack is also imbued with the concept of "bringing an end to all possibilities", allowing it to kill all past, present and future versions of the target(s) and all versions of them in every parallel or divergent world at the same time . She can additionally have the attack destroy the laws of the world and the law of cause and effect.(2A Range)
 
Funny thing about ID is that even if you can come back from it or have type 4 acausality or something, it still incaps via killing you at all times all throughout time.
 
Yes, I will reply later, right now I'm looking for Arata's abilities and justifications that I collected in the past. (It's gone), but I'll ask my friends. (Let's hope they still have it).
 
However, Arata's magic attacks are based on Conceptual Destruction, as he is an Ultimate Magic user. In addition, Ultimate Magic is said to be able to destroy concepts that exist in the world.

Ultimate Magic is said to be able to destroy concepts that exist in the world even with the power of the Demon Lord, it is very difficult to achieve Magic.


Unlike the Demon Lord in general, Arata here is said to be able to access 3 Thema which makes him reach the Trinity level, with that he already has Ultimate Magic.
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Arata also has Conceptual Manipulation Type 2 (Creation) obtained from scaling his Harem, can Medea destroy Arata?, btw Arata's Time Stop is based on Conceptual Creation & Law Manipulation.

In addition, Arata's Power Nullification can negate some Hax, namely Existence Erasure, Law & Concept. Which makes this Power Nullification an Offensive to nullify Medea's abilities. Arata also has Acausality Type 4 which makes him safe from Medea's Probability Manipulation.
 
Rendynoc0unter said:
However, Arata's magic attacks are based on Conceptual Destruction, as he is an Ultimate Magic user. In addition, Ultimate Magic is said to be able to destroy concepts that exist in the world.



Arata also has Conceptual Manipulation Type 2 (Creation) obtained from scaling his Harem, can Medea destroy Arata?, btw Arata's Time Stop is based on Conceptual Creation & Law Manipulation.

In addition, Arata's Power Nullification can negate some Hax, namely Existence Erasure, Law & Concept. Which makes this Power Nullification an Offensive to nullify Medea's abilities. Arata also has Acausality Type 4 which makes him safe from Medea's Probability Manipulation.
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Arata couldn't even do anything to Medea because of the speed difference.

He would just get hit and die over and over again.

Edit:
And before it's brought up, essentially you can't equalize immeasurable speed in a match so speed equal doesn't save him here.
 
YungManzi said:
No, you can't. There were several threads more recently talking about this. Immeasurable speed is essentially treated as a better version of a passive.
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Hm? No you can. However, Medea's combat speed is supersonic and that's what characters get equalized to.

Other stats, like reactions, get equalized by the same amount. However, since a fraction of Immeasurable is still Immeasurable, she retains her Immeasurable reactions even in Speed Equal.



Anyway, Arata doesn't have the range to defeat Medea's Fragments, sooo...
 
DontTalkDT said:
Hm? No you can. However, Medea's combat speed is supersonic and that's what characters get equalized to.

Other stats, like reactions, get equalized by the same amount. However, since a fraction of Immeasurable is still Immeasurable, she retains her Immeasurable reactions even in Speed Equal.
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Doesn't this mean it can't be equalized then DT?
 
Like, if a huge portion and/or key portion of your abilities involves traveling through time via speed, how could we equalize that to linear speed?
 
YungManzi said:
Doesn't this mean it can't be equalized then DT?
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For Medea in particular you basically can't, due to the unique circumstances of having a low combat speed with Immeasurable other stats.

However, take for example an Immeasurable combat speed character fighting a Hypersonic combat speed character. Then the Immeasurable Combat speed would actually get downgraded to Hypersonic, because the rules say that combat speed is always just equalized to the lower value. (However, time travel capabilities and stuff would still be assumed to be present as an ability)

Edit: See the speed equal rules, if you haven't already: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Versus_Thread_Rules#Speed_Equalization_Rules_and_Assumptions

Rendynoc0unter said:
What kind of range?

btw, this is my first time doing a character battle on this forum, do the rules follow SBA?
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To affect all of Medea's fragments you basically will need Multiverse level+ range (you need to find and destroy them within an infinite multiverse)

Yeah, SBA and typically speed equal.
 
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Arata does not have 2A Range & Immeasurable Speed.

However, if we use SBA, then Arata only needs to get Victory Conditions from a few things.

But still, Arata does not have Immeasurable Speed to counter it.

If Arata uses NeP Nature 1 & Ae1, then there will be a chance for a draw.

So, Arata would lose because of Medea's Immeasurable Speed.
 
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