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Strongest Low 1-C Characters on the Wiki

Honkai mfs seems to have 12-D bs, why are they allowed on the list? 😭😭
 
Dereck03 said:
Honkai mfs seems to have 12-D bs, why are they allowed on the list? 😭😭
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Its insignificant 12D, not big enough to be tierable in the 1-B tier.
But higher dimensional axis are still inaccessible to anything pertaining to the range of beings who can only affect 5 dimensions and onwards below it.
After all, it involves additional orthogonal directions.
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
Basically the same way people already are with RE
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Actually, RE does **** all and nothing rn on wiki, RE is currently only accepted to exactly what it has shown, not one toe beyond that line, quoting the page itself
Its extent and complexity only go as far its feats and scaling have gone for it, in relation up to countermeasures to powers that already exist in the setting or similar, in a case by case basis.
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Layer stacking wasn't actually accepted to exist for RE (at least you only get +1 layer from it from the instance of evolving to resist a hax, and then no further) beforehand, and unless you were from AWLBA (which isn't an exception due to whatever, its an exception due to it having showings), you got your +1 layer and that was it
 
Killerdrone123 said:
I beleive the one's that don't have 12d stuff can be included on the list

There extra dimensional range is preety much useless
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Unfortunately it's pretty difficult to tell which characters do and don't have the 12D stuff (combat applicable) unless you're knowledge about the verse or go through every profile, for example she clearly has 12 stuff.

On a side note can we just acknowledge the insane power creep HSR went through? Like I get the premise was a cosmic fantasy while traveling on a space train but already having tier 5 to 4 feats with at least tier 2 deities relatively early in the games cycle and now even the mid tier characters are L1-C these days (those without useful 12D stuff) and that's after the verse got downgraded repeatedly too.

These gacha games don't mess around.

This is probably the only time I'll commet on this thread this year lol!
 
The_Axiom_of_Virgo said:
Unfortunately it's pretty difficult to tell which characters do and don't have the 12D stuff (combat applicable) unless you're knowledge about the verse or go through every profile, for example she clearly has 12 stuff.

On a side note can we just acknowledge the insane power creep HSR went through? Like I get the premise was a cosmic fantasy while traveling on a space train but already having tier 5 to 4 feats with at least tier 2 deities relatively early in the games cycle and now even the mid tier characters are L1-C these days (those without useful 12D stuff) and that's after the verse got downgraded repeatedly too.

These gacha games don't mess around.

This is probably the only time I'll commet on this thread this year lol!
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Most of the 12d stuff is just range and not some actual potency as they scale to compact dimensions only one's with hde get any benefit
 
Deonment said:
Actually, RE does **** all and nothing rn on wiki, RE is currently only accepted to exactly what it has shown, not one toe beyond that line, quoting the page itself

Layer stacking wasn't actually accepted to exist for RE (at least you only get +1 layer from it from the instance of evolving to resist a hax, and then no further) beforehand, and unless you were from AWLBA (which isn't an exception due to whatever, its an exception due to it having showings), you got your +1 layer and that was it
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This entire thread would say otherwise lmao, GoW fans were arguing exactly what you just said
 
Deonment said:
Seen the exact opposite elsewhere, but if I need to grab the og overhaul thread I will
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I mean, I'm not really trying to contend, argue for, against, or be for anything. I just pointed it out because it's so ironic how stupidly incoherent and inconsistent the wiki can be with upholding it's standards lol. It's kinda whatever at the end of the day, battle boarding is one of the worst experiences on this site, double so for popular verses
 
Don't think anyone will have an issue with it, and if they do they can make a matchup ig. Tho...whatever happened to DBH's 3 state para phys?
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
Don't think anyone will have an issue with it, and if they do they can make a matchup ig. Tho...whatever happened to DBH's 3 state para phys?
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Dragon Ball's paraconsistent/nonduality removal

Here it's mentioned that Time Power is a nonduality because it contains history and nonexistent history but as some users have pointed out recently that it wouldn't qualify as you would need to prove nonexistent history serves as a direct negation to history (for example it needs to be like...
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Robo432343 said:
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Dragon Ball's paraconsistent/nonduality removal

Here it's mentioned that Time Power is a nonduality because it contains history and nonexistent history but as some users have pointed out recently that it wouldn't qualify as you would need to prove nonexistent history serves as a direct negation to history (for example it needs to be like...
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Oh damn nvm then, I was gonna ask how ND and its states could interact with things like NEP 2 and vice versa, but ig it'd have ended in an incon anyways
 
Deonment said:
D still has his aura that can passively cause fear down to the concept, DMC guys aren't going to be able to actually kill D due to his several layers of High Godly and High Godly regen neg resistance, in addition to having his own high godly regen neg + being able to cut folks concepts, the only real pain point is the passives but D is a)Entirely liable to adapt, b)Mundus doesn't actually resist D's own passives c)Some of that stuff D just won't care about (the illusion hax is going to end with D cutting through and killing the illusions for example)
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Souls > Concept in DMC and every single relevant mf has fear haxed souls (and even shit that is straight up immune to fear hax in some cases) so this shouldn't be a problem

Regen negg would be since High Godly negg >> Mid Godly negg no matter the layers (still will change whenever we update the regen to high G)

What passives exactly? From what I know VHD doesn't have that many layers not that it matters since RM is going for 1-A in the future anyways while D won't be able to tank Mundus' passives cuz of layers. Not to mention demons have some form of subjective reality that is literally just reactive evolution based on their desires so Mundus would just evolve too


But I don't really care about about DMC on this list. I would be fine with them being with GoW for old times sake while we fix the remaining profiles (like Mundus) and eventually add stuff that is still missing.

I'm here to wank Master Unit: Amaterasu and downplay dragon ball >:v
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
To me it seems he already did that at some point of that "arc" and already has it active
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It's a technique he has to activate, not an innate state of his being, its connected to his dao (which is why he gets it in his last key, since his true fate fused with it), but he still has to activate it, and sure its (probably) his first move, but passives can get him if he doesn't outspeed them
 
Shar122 said:
Anos have passive Fear, Sleep & Death Manipulation that extends to kilometers iirc.
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Was going to comment on it being incon bare minimum then, but while looking through his profile, I found an argument for him being a smurf in this key, and would like to check that over with the supporter first before I say anything further, so
 
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Standard Clarification: Size of Higher Dimensional World/Universe/Realm

This thread is intended to clarify the standard regarding the size of higher-dimensional realms/dimensions (or Universes which has been stated to be 5D) that has explicit size statements e.g., "infinite," "endless," or "continuously expanding" or incase of Universe, just simply being a...
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uh
wonder which verses this affects
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DMC get affected, that 6D 1-C Kingdom Heart also get affected

On another note Punishing Gray Raven also likely will lose the possibly 1-B rating
 
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