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Strongest 4-D Characters on the Wiki

EL_xWatcher1234x said:
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There isn't an explicit mention of such seeing as most people know that these aspects are already part of the mind, if not the mind itself, but if you want showings as to why
Thoughts and consciousness being either part of, or just, the mind is self-evident
Quoting Empath manip (for emotions and willpower)
The ability to allow to influence feelings and emotions. Usually associated with mental manipulation, but can sometimes be carried out in other ways (e.g., direct biochemical effects).
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The mind manip part is obvious, and regarding the biochemical effects, those are either manipulations of one's endocrine system and hormones, and thus, the brain, or outright affecting the brain, with the brain being at the very least mind-adjacent in situations where it isn't outright the mind due to the mind being some degree of abstraction
Quoting Memory Manip (for memories)
The ability to influence memory. Can be carried out using empathic, mental, biological, electrical or data manipulation.
Empathic manipulation: Affecting memory through emotions. Usually very limited and allows user to erase or distort existing memories only.
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Already showed how Empath is effectively part of mind manip, and it affecting memories isn't that wild, considering what exactly trauma can do
Mental manipulation: Affecting memory through the consciousness/mind. Allows managing memory in a variety of ways, comprehending, modifying, deleting existing memories, as well as creating new memories.
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This literally links to mind manip and thus is mind related on it's face
Biochemical manipulation: Affecting memory through brain cells, making it possible to manage memory. This may also include modification of memory by controlling the electrochemical signals of the brain.
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It's the brain, so yeah, mind
Information manipulation: In this case, the memory acts as a regular array of information. It can be accessed in a manner similar to accessing the hard drive of a computer.
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This is the one example that isn't explicitly just mind-related on it's face, but if we go to the info manip page
1. Knowledge: These characters can manipulate information as the medium of knowledge as opposed to just manipulating what a specific person knows, which would be considered Mind Manipulation. Characters with this ability can, for example, destroy information on a subject and by that make it inherently unknowable. Other examples of uses would be to prevent information from leaving an area, making it so that those outside can't gain knowledge of what is happening inside, or altering information to change what people know about the subject into something else.
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So yeah, once more, is part of the mind.
That's enough to show that all that is part of, and is just itself in the case of consciousness, the mind, yeah?
 
Deonment said:
There isn't an explicit mention of such seeing as most people know that these aspects are already part of the mind, if not the mind itself, but if you want showings as to why
Thoughts and consciousness being either part of, or just, the mind is self-evident
Quoting Empath manip (for emotions and willpower)

The mind manip part is obvious, and regarding the biochemical effects, those are either manipulations of one's endocrine system and hormones, and thus, the brain, or outright affecting the brain, with the brain being at the very least mind-adjacent in situations where it isn't outright the mind due to the mind being some degree of abstraction
Quoting Memory Manip (for memories)

Already showed how Empath is effectively part of mind manip, and it affecting memories isn't that wild, considering what exactly trauma can do

This literally links to mind manip and thus is mind related on it's face

It's the brain, so yeah, mind

This is the one example that isn't explicitly just mind-related on it's face, but if we go to the info manip page

So yeah, once more, is part of the mind.
That's enough to show that all that is part of, and is just itself in the case of consciousness, the mind, yeah?
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None of these are example of soul being those aspects. Just make a CRT and be done with it
 
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
None of these are example of soul being those aspects. Just make a CRT and be done with it
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I wasn't saying that?
MGQ's original comment was that listing
thought, consciousness, will, emotion, and memory
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was redundant as those are all simply part of the mind, you said the wiki considered that otherwise, I said no, you asked me to show you, and I responded with the quoted response, the soul never came into this conversation beyond the original post
 
Question if a character has a 5D soul, and 5D mind but literally everything else is 2-A (well they do have a possibly low 1-C tier). Can they have a place on the list? Or aganist rules?
 
Deonment said:
OP literally says
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But there is this.

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  • As long as the character has a 4-D hax/ability/stat/weapon, etc listed on the profile, they can be nominated. (Ex: A character that is 10-B but has a Low 2-C weapon is still allowed to be on the list and can compete against a physically 2-A character if they are capable of doing so)."
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
Does Irontomb has passives? Because Monika uses thought-based Plot EE.
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Yeah actually, if you check the Irontomb vs Asriel matchup literally Irontomb's wincon is through its passives. If you're wondering why, it's on the first page;
vsbattles.com

Irontomb Vs Asriel Dreemurr (Honkai: Star Rail Vs Undertale)

Irontomb Vs Asriel Dreemurr Complete Irontomb will be used God of Hyper Death Asriel will be used Speed is equalized Fight takes place in Earth Fight OST:
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
 
Mbpoops said:
but what passives does he have..?
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Passive Imaginary Energy is for sure through Black Tide and when Irontomb's energy output increased exponentially that turns him into having Infinite HP, there are also other passives such as the Coreflames including 1 billion degrees heat manip due to it merging with Khaslana pretty sure in 3.7 when we fought Khaslana
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
As long as the character has a 4-D hax/ability/stat/weapon, etc listed on the profile, they can be nominated. (Ex: A character that is 10-B but has a Low 2-C weapon is still allowed to be on the list and can compete against a physically 2-A character if they are capable of doing so)."
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Yeah but that's for characters with things below 4D. Once a character has something over 4D, they're out
 
Deonment said:
Yeah but that's for characters with things below 4D. Once a character has something over 4D, they're out
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This explained the rule well ngl 🗿
I was confused on what and how ts works
Hm,
Now to nominate a character when I can remember one
 
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