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Getting your ass kicked by the Presence for doing something which doesn't harm Cai is something entirely different from the mark.Warren Valion said:What are you talking about? The "getting your ass kicked by The Presence" is The Mark doing its thing. It's not a different thing, where did you get that from?.
The assumption you make is that Cain has some ability, except the one that doesn't let people harm him, which gets him out of incapacitation, because nobody super powerful did that.
The problem is that the reason they are not incapacitating him is nowhere said to be due to Cains power. It is far from unlikely that they don't do it because Cain's protector might also do things if Cain's mark doesn't trigger, should someone try that.
It's the difference between dealing with Cain without triggering the mark and outsmarting the Presence. Nobody outsmarts the Presence, so nobody can actually make use of way of dealing with cain without triggering the mark as long as the Presence is around. But if the Presence isn't allowed to interfere, like is the case in a battle, dealing with Cain without having to deal with the mark is absolutely possible.