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Strongest Character for Every Tier 28
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Then, someone change his resistance from "harm" to "everything" cuz his profile doesn't suggest that he's strong at all.CrimsonStarFallen said:
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The Quiet Deviless has Insane Fate hax and nonexistence
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She resists conceptual manipulation...
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Unnafected by the destruction of type 2 concepts
Also I'm going to need better reasoning than "Caine is the strongest High 4-C because he's a world of darkness character"
Also I'm going to need better reasoning than "Caine is the strongest High 4-C because he's a world of darkness character"
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From what evidence I have heard off the fact that nobody mind hax's or BFR's him is probably from the fact that certain 1-A's would would squash you if you tried, not resistance.CrimsonStarFallen said:
In other words politics.
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Well that's even better reason for him being strongest 9-B.
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Why would you reward a dude for murder? Granted, eternal life is horrible, but still...DontTalkDT said:
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If he can destroy 8-D concepts in his high 4-C key he shouldn't have a high 4-C key
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No... it is.
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How about having all the powers of the mages and being above them.Said power include higher dimensional erasure,plot had and fate hax that works on type 5 acausals plus moreZacharyGrossman273 said:
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If Cain's protection isn't fully passive, then wouldn't that be outside intervention and not allowed in a vs scenario?
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Well if all of his abilites are 8-D then yes.
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Why does Caine even have 8-D hax in his high 4-C when that's not explained on his profile?
Why does Caine even have 8-D hax in his high 4-C when that's not explained on his profile?
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I don't know the character beyond what I have been told. His page explicitely says he has a contract with the Dream of the Endless and that he is under protection from The Presence, though. So they probably have their reasons.TacticalNuke002 said:
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He is above the mages who can affect 8D beings with their magicZacharyGrossman273 said:
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You can have 8-D AP but be a 3-D being...
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And no one in WoD (Besides the Abstracts) have AP on that level.ZacharyGrossman273 said:
Altering Concepts in your verse doesn't make you that level of AP, otherwise Magnus is 1-A because he creates, Alters and Destroys Concepts by merely walking while in the Warp.
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Magnus doesent have 1-A hax either. The hell?
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Also, I like how Zach is like: "Muh character's are being beaten, time to try and change a profile so they're not being beaten." Like, it's really funny, because he'll pull any kind of tactic to try and change a tier, like, does anyone remember how hard Zach was trying to downgrade God when she was stomping The Transcendence and how he didn't take any notice until his character was being stomped.
Notice how it's the exact same thing here?
Notice how it's the exact same thing here?
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So, if The Presence's intervention in punishing the guys who mess with Cain isn't passive, then isn't it outside intervention then?
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There are a few more complicated things to consider on a general level.TacticalNuke002 said:
I would agree that in this case arguing that he can not be incapacitated, without being harmed, for reasons that could very well involve getting saved by a 1-A being, is outside influence unless we have further evidence that the saving is done via a blessing or something along those lines.
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Cain's protection comes from his Mark. A blessing, which is allowed.TacticalNuke002 said:
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From Cain's profile:
"Judge Gallows struck a hit on Cain, but instantly regretted it as he realized that Cain can't be harmed by anyone because of his Mark. He was swiftly killed by The Presence through different weird accidents."
This incident isn't passive retribution at all. Presence has to personally do something rather than have a blessing or something do it for him automatically.
Looks like outside intervention to me.
"Judge Gallows struck a hit on Cain, but instantly regretted it as he realized that Cain can't be harmed by anyone because of his Mark. He was swiftly killed by The Presence through different weird accidents."
This incident isn't passive retribution at all. Presence has to personally do something rather than have a blessing or something do it for him automatically.
Looks like outside intervention to me.
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That literally just repeats the stuff I questioned. Where is it stated? I'm not asking if it was stated. The only thing I got regarding 1-A to 3D was the Ultimate Gods viewing the Great Old ones as humans.
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The mark isn't exactly a passive blessing. Its more like a warning that says "Don't mess with this guy or we 1-A Gods will give you a bad time". But they still have to directly intervene after someone messes with him.Warren Valion said:
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That's what the mark is, a declaration. All who strike Cain will be stricken upon seven-fold.TacticalNuke002 said:
Attack Reflection (Cain is under the protection of God, possessing a Mark on his forehead indicating that any person who harms him will have that same harm visited upon them sevenfold. Even Lucifer Morningstar didn't dare to harm him when Dream sent him as a messenger. When the Kindly Ones laid waste to the Dreaming, even they wouldn't hurt Cain because of his curse)
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I don't disagree with 7x Att. Reflection. The 1-As manipulating events to kill the offender is what doesn't seem passive to me. Lucifer and the Kindly Ones were just afraid of the Presence.
Also, Lucifer says in the first scan that "Whoever slayeth Cain shall have the harm visit them sevenfold". No one's slaying anyone if mindhax is used.
The second scan of the Kindly Ones shows nothing of use, frankly.
Judge Gallows struck Cain, meaning harm was done, which is covered by the Mark's clause. Also, the Presence didn't instantly kill him, it happened after a while.
There is nothing in the 7x reflection statement that shows that non-harmful methods are also punished. No one does it because they fear DotE and The Presence killing them.
So, in the few instances of the 1-As intervening, it isn't passive. So, in conclusion, I believe Cain is strongest 9-B due to outside intervention rather than passive protection and hence, should be removed and replaced with someone else.
Also, Lucifer says in the first scan that "Whoever slayeth Cain shall have the harm visit them sevenfold". No one's slaying anyone if mindhax is used.
The second scan of the Kindly Ones shows nothing of use, frankly.
Judge Gallows struck Cain, meaning harm was done, which is covered by the Mark's clause. Also, the Presence didn't instantly kill him, it happened after a while.
There is nothing in the 7x reflection statement that shows that non-harmful methods are also punished. No one does it because they fear DotE and The Presence killing them.
So, in the few instances of the 1-As intervening, it isn't passive. So, in conclusion, I believe Cain is strongest 9-B due to outside intervention rather than passive protection and hence, should be removed and replaced with someone else.
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